Patrick Lawrence: Why Are the Russians Retreating in Ukraine? | Scheerpost

I did a little research to see just the estimates on how many Russian soldiers have died. The difference between what the mainstream media parrots and what an independent investigation conducted jointly by the BBC Russian Service and independent Russian news outlet MediaZona is staggering. See for yourself:

More than 100,000 Russian military casualties in Ukraine, top U.S. general says | reuters.com

Death Toll for Russian Soldiers in Ukraine at Least 9,300 – BBC | themoscowtimes.com




No, though I had a former brother in law who was. Have you?



Even if true, Putin exiting the stage will not necessarily bring an end to the war. In fact, there's evidence that it will actually accelerate it:

Putin will be replaced – but by someone even more extreme, warns former UK spy chief | Business Insider

No, though I had a former brother in law who was. Have you?
As a matter of fact I'm a retired E-8 sport. Thus I speak from experience to bad you can't say the same.

did a little research to see just the estimates on how many Russian soldiers have died. The difference between what the mainstream media parrots and what an independent investigation conducted jointly by the BBC Russian Service and independent Russian news outlet MediaZona is staggering. See for yourself:

You are a fool if you accept your references as true.

While I think 100,000 is a little inflated the general has access to the latest intelligence.
Sorry comrade but I take your opinion with a grain of salt.
 
Biden has started WW3. History books will not be kind to him.

yeah, when he forced Putin to invade a peaceful neighbor, it was a crime. Poor Putin had no choice.

goat didn't say that Biden forced Putin to start his military operation in Ukraine. He said he'd started WW3. Now, we may argue whether that's the case or not, but it's different from what you said.
 
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Ever been in the military sport?

No, though I had a former brother in law who was. Have you?

As a matter of fact I'm a retired E-8 sport. Thus I speak from experience to bad you can't say the same.

Based on our previous conversation, you seem to be suggesting that because you were in the U.S. army, you would know if Russia was losing. Have you heard of former U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence Officer Scott Ritter? He has a somewhat different view:

Scott Ritter: Don't believe the hype. Ukraine can't win this war | therealnews.com

I did a little research to see just the estimates on how many Russian soldiers have died. The difference between what the mainstream media parrots and what an independent investigation conducted jointly by the BBC Russian Service and independent Russian news outlet MediaZona is staggering. See for yourself:

More than 100,000 Russian military casualties in Ukraine, top U.S. general says | reuters.com

Death Toll for Russian Soldiers in Ukraine at Least 9,300 – BBC | themoscowtimes.com

You are a fool if you accept your references as true.

Engaging in ad hominem attacks does nothing to further your case.

While I think 100,000 is a little inflated the general has access to the latest intelligence. Sorry comrade but I take your opinion with a grain of salt.

I voiced no opinion above, just facts. I find it revealing that the Reuters article states the following close to the top of the article:

"The estimates could not be independently confirmed by Reuters."

Also, that the Ukrainian military figures are rather close to Miley's number, with breatheless titles such as this one:
Russia’s Military Losses In Ukraine Are Beyond Shocking | 19fortyfive.com

I wouldn't be surprised if he's simply parroting their figures, just as much of the mainstream media does.

On a positive note, I suspect that the mainstream media is beginning to realize that taking the word of military officials can get them to lose credibility. I started a thread on that subject here:

The Corporate Media Deference That Endangers Us All | justplainpolitics.com
 
Based on our previous conversation, you seem to be suggesting that because you were in the U.S. army, you would know if Russia was losing. Have you heard of former U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence Officer Scott Ritter? He has a somewhat different view:

Scott Ritter: Don't believe the hype. Ukraine can't win this war | therealnews.com



Engaging in ad hominem attacks does nothing to further your case.



I voiced no opinion above, just facts. I find it revealing that the Reuters article states the following close to the top of the article:

"The estimates could not be independently confirmed by Reuters."

Also, that the Ukrainian military figures are rather close to Miley's number, with breatheless titles such as this one:
Russia’s Military Losses In Ukraine Are Beyond Shocking | 19fortyfive.com

I wouldn't be surprised if he's simply parroting their figures, just as much of the mainstream media does.

On a positive note, I suspect that the mainstream media is beginning to realize that taking the word of military officials can get them to lose credibility. I started a thread on that subject here:

The Corporate Media Deference That Endangers Us All | justplainpolitics.com

No dip stick I am saying that as a senior officer or nco are privy to US intelligence reports. Thus with an extended military background one's experience allows them to better weed out the propaganda from the real facts.

It is a fact that Russia has had about 900 tanks destroyed. A tank has a crew of 3 to 4 men. Just in tank losses that equates to about 2,700 or 3,600 men. Add in total combat losses it is conceivable that thus far Russia has lost 70,000 to 90,000 killed or wounded.

If Putin said pigs fly you would most likely believe it.
 
No dip stick

Ah, another ad hominem attack. I had hoped that you would take the hint that I don't respond well to ad hominem attacks by my pointing out your previous one, but apparentliy that's not the case. If your goal is to get me to stop responding to you and perhaps even thread ban you in the future, you're on the right track.

I am saying that as a senior officer or nco are privy to US intelligence reports. Thus with an extended military background one's experience allows them to better weed out the propaganda from the real facts.

The U.S. has hoodwinked its way into disastrous wars in the past based on U.S. "intelligence". Politics tends to get in the way of the real intel. The Iraq "Weapons of Mass Destruction" one is a good example. The only serious investigation I've seen as to the amount of Russian soldier deaths that I've seen is the one that the BBC did in cooperation with independent Russian media outlet MediaZona. The BBC, being the BBC, tried to make it out like these numbers somehow meshed with the vastly larger numbers trotted out by the mainstream media, but anyone paying attention to the details can tell that the numbers are vastly different. As mentioned previously, the story on this that I found is here:

Death Toll for Russian Soldiers in Ukraine at Least 9,300 – BBC | themoscowtimes.com
 
Ah, another ad hominem attack. I had hoped that you would take the hint that I don't respond well to ad hominem attacks by my pointing out your previous one, but apparentliy that's not the case. If your goal is to get me to stop responding to you and perhaps even thread ban you in the future, you're on the right track.



The U.S. has hoodwinked its way into disastrous wars in the past based on U.S. "intelligence". Politics tends to get in the way of the real intel. The Iraq "Weapons of Mass Destruction" one is a good example. The only serious investigation I've seen as to the amount of Russian soldier deaths that I've seen is the one that the BBC did in cooperation with independent Russian media outlet MediaZona. The BBC, being the BBC, tried to make it out like these numbers somehow meshed with the vastly larger numbers trotted out by the mainstream media, but anyone paying attention to the details can tell that the numbers are vastly different. As mentioned previously, the story on this that I found is here:

Death Toll for Russian Soldiers in Ukraine at Least 9,300 – BBC | themoscowtimes.com
I do find it interesting you find the BBC credible, they were also a part of disinformation during the Iraq War. What makes them so credible now, because they support your beliefs?
 
I do find it interesting you find the BBC credible, they were also a part of disinformation during the Iraq War. What makes them so credible now, because they support your beliefs?

I certainly don't always find the BBC credible, but I pay attention when 2 opposing sides, in this case the BBC, which has clearly been supporting Ukraine, and Russia, start coming up with numbers that are at least in the same ball park.

The BBC/MediaZona estimate on Russian soldiers killed:
"Therefore, according to the most conservative estimate, the losses of the Russian army and the National Guard in Ukraine could be more than 18,600 people."

Source:
Hundreds of mobilized, officers and airborne forces: what is known about Russia's losses in Ukraine during the nine months of the war | BBC

(you'll need to either understand Russian or have a browser like google chrome to translate it from Russian)

The last official Russian death count was in September, but it's at least in the same general ballpark as the BBC's number:

Defence Minister Says 5,937 Russian Soldiers Killed In Ukraine | barrons.com

Notably, the 100k number that General Miley mentioned includes wounded. I suspect the reason they are combining them is because they want to give the impression that the number of Russian soldiers killed is bigger than it truly is.


All of the numbers above and their sources can be found on the following Wikipedia page:

Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War | Wikipedia
 
I certainly don't always find the BBC credible, but I pay attention when 2 opposing sides, in this case the BBC, which has clearly been supporting Ukraine, and Russia, start coming up with numbers that are at least in the same ball park.

The BBC/MediaZona estimate on Russian soldiers killed:
"Therefore, according to the most conservative estimate, the losses of the Russian army and the National Guard in Ukraine could be more than 18,600 people."

Source:
Hundreds of mobilized, officers and airborne forces: what is known about Russia's losses in Ukraine during the nine months of the war | BBC

(you'll need to either understand Russian or have a browser like google chrome to translate it from Russian)

The last official Russian death count was in September, but it's at least in the same general ballpark as the BBC's number:

Defence Minister Says 5,937 Russian Soldiers Killed In Ukraine | barrons.com

Notably, the 100k number that General Miley mentioned includes wounded. I suspect the reason they are combining them is because they want to give the impression that the number of Russian soldiers killed is bigger than it truly is.


All of the numbers above and their sources can be found on the following Wikipedia page:

Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War | Wikipedia
I think the number of dead can not be known till after the war. There are many unidentified, and if the data is based on the names of the known dead, it isn’t very accurate in my opinion.
 
Ah, another ad hominem attack. I had hoped that you would take the hint that I don't respond well to ad hominem attacks by my pointing out your previous one, but apparentliy that's not the case. If your goal is to get me to stop responding to you and perhaps even thread ban you in the future, you're on the right track.



The U.S. has hoodwinked its way into disastrous wars in the past based on U.S. "intelligence". Politics tends to get in the way of the real intel. The Iraq "Weapons of Mass Destruction" one is a good example. The only serious investigation I've seen as to the amount of Russian soldier deaths that I've seen is the one that the BBC did in cooperation with independent Russian media outlet MediaZona. The BBC, being the BBC, tried to make it out like these numbers somehow meshed with the vastly larger numbers trotted out by the mainstream media, but anyone paying attention to the details can tell that the numbers are vastly different. As mentioned previously, the story on this that I found is here:

Death Toll for Russian Soldiers in Ukraine at Least 9,300 – BBC | themoscowtimes.com

Let's see the only war that intel was wrong about in the last 20 years was Iraq and WMDs. In our defense Saddam had the world fooled thinking he had WMDs so you can't blame faulty US intel alone. But you Putin lovers will buy anything if it's in Moscowtimes.com or RT.
 
I think the number of dead can not be known till after the war. There are many unidentified, and if the data is based on the names of the known dead, it isn’t very accurate in my opinion.

I agree that the exact numbers can't be known. However, I do believe that estimates can be done. So far, the BBC/MediaZona investigation is the estimate numbers I trust the most. They're clearly not on the Russian side and they seem to have put some real work into trying to determine how many Russian soldiers died. It's unfortunate that even the translated version of the article has some Russian in it, however, as some of the pictures have Russian text and google chrome can't translate that.
 
Let's see the only war that intel was wrong about in the last 20 years was Iraq and WMDs. In our defense Saddam had the world fooled thinking he had WMDs so you can't blame faulty US intel alone.

Serious operatives in American Intelligence knew the WMD was bs. Political imperatives overode their voices, however. There is plenty of evidence of this, even from the mainstream media. This article for instance:

MI6 and CIA were told before invasion that Iraq had no active WMD | The Guardian

As to what happened to whistleblowers:
Iraq Whistleblowers Vilified, Demoted | cbsnews.com


Nor is Iraq the only case where what the public was told was a lie. The Gulf of Tonkin incident in Vietnam:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident#Second_alleged_attack

Bin Laden's alleged involvement in 9/11, which led to the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan by the U.S. for 20 years:
FBI says, “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11” | globalresearch.ca
 
I suppose one could look at it that way, though I think we can agree that things really heated up from Euromaidan onwards. Also, that before Euromaidan, the main struggle was in Crimea. Donbass may have had its difference with Kyiv, but Donbass had been part of the Ukrainian S.S.R. a fair amount longer than Crimea and had less ethnic Russians as well, so there was less of a drive to distance itself from Ukraine following Ukraine's independence.




I'm curious, who do you think was behind most of the violence during Euromaidan? As to Putin invading Ukraine in February 2014, I think we can agree that its limited military actions at the time pale in comparison to its military actions at present. It was such a small operation that Putin initially denied he was even involved:

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On 27 February, Russian troops[43] captured strategic sites across Crimea,[44][45] followed by the installation of the pro-Russian Aksyonov government in Crimea, the Crimean status referendum and the declaration of Crimea's independence on 16 March 2014.[46][47] Although Russia initially claimed their military was not involved in the events,[48] Putin later admitted that troops were deployed to "stand behind Crimea's self-defence forces".[49] Russia formally incorporated Crimea on 18 March 2014.[50][49]
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Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

I believe that only a few individuals died during these events. Compare this to the 14,000 Ukrainians killed in the War in Donbass following Euromaidan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#Total_deaths

Have you considered the possibility that by annexing Crimea, Russia spared Crimea from such carnage?

You go on to claim that you have "no doubt that Putin secretly provided supplies and weapons to the insurrectionists." Yet Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud, who was actively searching for evidence of Russia doing just that found none:

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In 2014, I am at NATO, responsible for the fight against the proliferation of small arms, and we are trying to detect Russian arms deliveries to the rebels in order to see if Moscow is involved. The information that we receive then comes practically all from the Polish intelligence services and does not “match” with the information from the OSCE: in spite of rather crude allegations, we do not observe any delivery of arms and materials Russian military.
**

Source:
Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative | Scheerpost

He even goes on to explain his belief on how they had armed themselves:
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The rebels are armed thanks to the defections of Russian-speaking Ukrainian units which cross over to the rebel side. As the Ukrainian failures progressed, the entire tank, artillery or anti-aircraft battalions swelled the ranks of the autonomists. This is what drives the Ukrainians to commit to the Minsk Accords.
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Agreed, but that goes both ways. What do you think Euromaidan was, if not an insurrection against the Ukrainian government? In that particular case, the insurectionist forces were successful, and there have certainly been consequences- the civil war that followed, claiming 14,000 lives, and now Russia's military operation, which I believe has now claimed even more than that. I think we can agree that insurrections aren't always a bad thing- the trick is to look at the motivations of those behind them. From what I have seen, those behind the rebellions in eastern Ukraine had a lot better reasons than those behind Euromaidan.



No, but I'm sure that Russia would disagree as to the legality of the annexation. Ultimately, I think that Frank Herbert said it best when it comes to laws: "Law always chooses sides on the basis of enforcement power. Morality and legal niceties have little to do with it when the real question is: Who has the clout?". Personally, I'm more interested in what Crimeans want. On that count, I think that Canadian American journalist Eva Bartlett, who travelled to Crimea a few years after it Russia annexed it, did a great job of explaining their feelings on the matter:

Return to Russia: Crimeans tell the real story of the 2014 referendum and their lives since | mintpressnews.com



Do you have evidence for -that- assertion? My own take of Putin is that he thinks he is doing the right thing. I don't agree with he should have conscripted Russians into the war, but I -can- see the logic in deciding to help defend the Donbass republics and trying to stop them from their continued attacks on said republics. I also understand the reasoning behind his wish to create a land bridge between Russia and Crimea. Ukraine made the reasoning for this particularly apparent after it bombed the Crimean bridge.

Thank you, Phoenyx.

There is so much propaganda from both sides, I don't know what to believe. So I look at this from a totally different viewpoint from you. No Intel agencies are tasked with providing the truth to the public. That is not their job.

This is all started way before euromaiden. Back in 2004-5, the ethnic Russians threatened to secede, and Yuschenko was poisoned with dioxin.

And the fraudulent election being overturned in the early 2000's is a sign of just how unstable the new country is.

Love the Frank Herbert quote. Kind of says it all in a nutshell.

Putin? Everyone thinks they are doing the right thing.
 
Thank you, Phoenyx.

There is so much propaganda from both sides, I don't know what to believe. So I look at this from a totally different viewpoint from you.

When Russia started its military operation in February, I was in the same boat. However, the more I read, the more I came to believe that the main aggressor here was NATO, with the U.S. leading the charge. Not sure if you're familiar with her work, but Caitlin Johnstone just wrote an article on the subject of the Ukraine war today that I think is pretty good. It's here:

Caitlin Johnstone: Unprovoked! | Scheerpost

No Intel agencies are tasked with providing the truth to the public. That is not their job.

Agreed. I've found out that if I want to learn the truth on something, it's best to put in the time to figure it out oneself. Ofcourse, some just dno't have the amount of time required.

This is all started way before euromaiden. Back in 2004-5, the ethnic Russians threatened to secede, and Yuschenko was poisoned with dioxin. And the fraudulent election being overturned in the early 2000's is a sign of just how unstable the new country is.

I can certainly agree that politics were afoot long before 2014, but 2014 is when the shit hit the fan. Ukrainian President Yanukovych's government was essentially taken down with a combination of subterfuge and brute force and as soon as -that- happened, Russia moved in concert with the Crimean population to annex Crimea and the Donbass region began its insurrection. Had the Yanukovych administration not been removed, I can easily imagine that Ukraine's borders wouldn't have changed.

Love the Frank Herbert quote. Kind of says it all in a nutshell.

Aye :-)

Putin? Everyone thinks they are doing the right thing.

Well, perhaps -some- people know they're not doing the right thing, but you have a good point. However, in this case, I think that Putin was fairly right. If he'd left the Donbass region with its large contingent of ethnic Russians get slaughtered by the Ukrainian army and then becoming a member of NATO, perhaps installing some nukes as Russia did with Cuba, I can easily imagine Putin being removed from power. There had been right wing elements that had wanted Russia involved in Ukraine militarily long before now.
 
When Russia started its military operation in February, I was in the same boat. However, the more I read, the more I came to believe that the main aggressor here was NATO, with the U.S. leading the charge. Not sure if you're familiar with her work, but Caitlin Johnstone just wrote an article on the subject of the Ukraine war today that I think is pretty good. It's here:

Caitlin Johnstone: Unprovoked! | Scheerpost



Agreed. I've found out that if I want to learn the truth on something, it's best to put in the time to figure it out oneself. Ofcourse, some just dno't have the amount of time required.



I can certainly agree that politics were afoot long before 2014, but 2014 is when the shit hit the fan. Ukrainian President Yanukovych's government was essentially taken down with a combination of subterfuge and brute force and as soon as -that- happened, Russia moved in concert with the Crimean population to annex Crimea and the Donbass region began its insurrection. Had the Yanukovych administration not been removed, I can easily imagine that Ukraine's borders wouldn't have changed.



Aye :-)



Well, perhaps -some- people know they're not doing the right thing, but you have a good point. However, in this case, I think that Putin was fairly right. If he'd left the Donbass region with its large contingent of ethnic Russians get slaughtered by the Ukrainian army and then becoming a member of NATO, perhaps installing some nukes as Russia did with Cuba, I can easily imagine Putin being removed from power. There had been right wing elements that had wanted Russia involved in Ukraine militarily long before now.
When is the last time NATO invaded it's neighbor?
 
When Russia started its military operation in February, I was in the same boat. However, the more I read, the more I came to believe that the main aggressor here was NATO, with the U.S. leading the charge. Not sure if you're familiar with her work, but Caitlin Johnstone just wrote an article on the subject of the Ukraine war today that I think is pretty good. It's here:

Caitlin Johnstone: Unprovoked! | Scheerpost



Agreed. I've found out that if I want to learn the truth on something, it's best to put in the time to figure it out oneself. Ofcourse, some just dno't have the amount of time required.



I can certainly agree that politics were afoot long before 2014, but 2014 is when the shit hit the fan. Ukrainian President Yanukovych's government was essentially taken down with a combination of subterfuge and brute force and as soon as -that- happened, Russia moved in concert with the Crimean population to annex Crimea and the Donbass region began its insurrection. Had the Yanukovych administration not been removed, I can easily imagine that Ukraine's borders wouldn't have changed.



Aye :-)



Well, perhaps -some- people know they're not doing the right thing, but you have a good point. However, in this case, I think that Putin was fairly right. If he'd left the Donbass region with its large contingent of ethnic Russians get slaughtered by the Ukrainian army and then becoming a member of NATO, perhaps installing some nukes as Russia did with Cuba, I can easily imagine Putin being removed from power. There had been right wing elements that had wanted Russia involved in Ukraine militarily long before now.

Of course the West has always supported the true Independence of Ukraine. And Russia wants a puppet gov't there.

Russia is a nuclear power. They are not threatened by invasion or nuke attack because they have the deterence.
 
Of course the West has always supported the true Independence of Ukraine. And Russia wants a puppet gov't there.

Has it really? From where I stand, the West, and in particular the U.S., has just wanted a vassal state that can "weaken" Russia. And let's not forget that there are essentially 2 Ukraines- one of a more western type, and the other with close ties to Russia. For the past 8 years, NATO had been arming and training the western Ukrainian army, and even putting its own military personnel in the field. There's no solid evidence that Russia was doing this with eastern Ukraine. Not sure if I've mentioned it before, but former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud wrote an article on this that I think is so important I made a thread out of it here:

Former Swiss Intelligence Officer blows the whistle on West's Ukraine War Narrative | justplainpolitics.com

Russia is a nuclear power. They are not threatened by invasion or nuke attack because they have the deterence.

That's like saying that because the U.S. is a nuclear power, they didn't feel threatened when Russia put nukes in Cuba. That's just not the way things work.
 
When is the last time NATO invaded it's neighbor?

When was the last time Russia overthrew a government in a NATO country and then armed and trained said country to slaughter its own citizens in that NATO country?
 
Has it really? From where I stand, the West, and in particular the U.S., has just wanted a vassal state that can "weaken" Russia. And let's not forget that there are essentially 2 Ukraines- one of a more western type, and the other with close ties to Russia. For the past 8 years, NATO had been arming and training the western Ukrainian army, and even putting its own military personnel in the field. There's no solid evidence that Russia was doing this with eastern Ukraine. Not sure if I've mentioned it before, but former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud wrote an article on this that I think is so important I made a thread out of it here:

Former Swiss Intelligence Officer blows the whistle on West's Ukraine War Narrative | justplainpolitics.com



That's like saying that because the U.S. is a nuclear power, they didn't feel threatened when Russia put nukes in Cuba. That's just not the way things work.

I know you like what Baud said he heard from some Polish intelligence source. I don't give it any weight.

A vassal State? ... of course we want a West friendly gov't in Ukraine. The Cold War did not end with the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Cuba? ... that argument held more validity with 1960's technology.

I think that was more about Castro who was a mad man dictator.
 
Has it really? From where I stand, the West, and in particular the U.S., has just wanted a vassal state that can "weaken" Russia. And let's not forget that there are essentially 2 Ukraines- one of a more western type, and the other with close ties to Russia. For the past 8 years, NATO had been arming and training the western Ukrainian army, and even putting its own military personnel in the field. There's no solid evidence that Russia was doing this with eastern Ukraine. Not sure if I've mentioned it before, but former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud wrote an article on this that I think is so important I made a thread out of it here:

Former Swiss Intelligence Officer blows the whistle on West's Ukraine War Narrative | justplainpolitics.com

That's like saying that because the U.S. is a nuclear power, they didn't feel threatened when Russia put nukes in Cuba. That's just not the way things work.

I know you like what Baud said he heard from some Polish intelligence source. I don't give it any weight.

I think you got things mixed up. Baud found no evidence for Polish intelligence saying that Russia was arming eastern Ukraine. Here's the passage that I think you're referring to, bolding the important part:

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In 2014, I am at NATO, responsible for the fight against the proliferation of small arms, and we are trying to detect Russian arms deliveries to the rebels in order to see if Moscow is involved. The information that we receive then comes practically all from the Polish intelligence services and does not “match” with the information from the OSCE: in spite of rather crude allegations, we do not observe any delivery of arms and materials [from the] Russian military.
**

Source:
Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative | Scheerpost


A vassal State? ... of course we want a West friendly gov't in Ukraine. The Cold War did not end with the collapse of the Soviet Union.

In an ideal world, the only reason the U.S. got involved in Ukraine was to have friendly relations with it. In the real world, it seems that U.S. powerbrokers' primary goal was to get more resources and weaken Russia. Did you think Russia would just take it lying down?

Cuba? ... that argument held more validity with 1960's technology.

I think that was more about Castro who was a mad man dictator.

For all Fidel Castro's flaws, his main concern seems to have been to protect Cuba from U.S. takeover attempts, like the failed Bay of Pigs invasion. For its part, Russia was angry that the U.S. had put nukes in Turkey, Turkey being right next to Russia's border. Fortunately, JFK wisely decided to strike a deal wherein they would remove their nukes from Turkey and Russia in turn would remove its nukes from Cuba.

This time around, Russia has no nukes in Cuba, so it behooves the U.S. to stop arming and training the Ukrainian army.
 
I think you got things mixed up. Baud found no evidence for Polish intelligence saying that Russia was arming eastern Ukraine. Here's the passage that I think you're referring to, bolding the important part:

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In 2014, I am at NATO, responsible for the fight against the proliferation of small arms, and we are trying to detect Russian arms deliveries to the rebels in order to see if Moscow is involved. The information that we receive then comes practically all from the Polish intelligence services and does not “match” with the information from the OSCE: in spite of rather crude allegations, we do not observe any delivery of arms and materials [from the] Russian military.
**

Source:
Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative | Scheerpost




In an ideal world, the only reason the U.S. got involved in Ukraine was to have friendly relations with it. In the real world, it seems that U.S. powerbrokers' primary goal was to get more resources and weaken Russia. Did you think Russia would just take it lying down?



For all Fidel Castro's flaws, his main concern seems to have been to protect Cuba from U.S. takeover attempts, like the failed Bay of Pigs invasion. For its part, Russia was angry that the U.S. had put nukes in Turkey, Turkey being right next to Russia's border. Fortunately, JFK wisely decided to strike a deal wherein they would remove their nukes from Turkey and Russia in turn would remove its nukes from Cuba.

This time around, Russia has no nukes in Cuba, so it behooves the U.S. to stop arming and training the Ukrainian army.

I find it rather odd that Baud relies solely on anonymous Polish intel sources, to the exclusion of all else. I give it no weight, and his "findings" are irrelevant.

Castro promised democracy and delivered dictatorship. His motive was to maintain dictatorial power.

We've been trying to weaken Russia since the Cold War started, ... as we should.

It behooves the West to have a Western friendly Ukraine, and to support Ukraine's complete separation from Russian control.
 
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