“We should elect the president the way we elect governors, senators, mayors, represen

electoral college......a majority of states did not want a criminal for president. they got one anyway, but they weren't smart enough to understand that then.


is abortion totally outlawed in every state? didn't think so. The moral discussion of abortion can be done in another thread...........I'll just say that NOBODY is taking away a womens right to choose. she always had that when she consented to sex.


did we cancel the medical profession also?



No, it ensures that the majority cannot negate the rights of the minority.
So, instead the rights of the majority are negated for the minority, has is that representation?
 
it also included STATE representation, you mental midge.

States aren't people. States are just lines and borders.

The Senate, w/ the House, sets most of the policy in the U.S. Rural constituents get a completely disproportionate say in that policy w/ the Senate. That's our system, so that's how it is - but the idea that voters in less populated states won't be heard if we move to a popular vote is just wrong.

I mean, look at SCOTUS. It's as right-wing as a body can get. Completely out of step w/ the mainstream. Right now, our gov't is much more conservative than its people.
 
Our choice of President in 2016.

Thats a state issue not Federal.

Abortion being legal and obtainable.

Thats a state issue not Federal.

Healthcare

Thats a state issue not Federal.

and sensible gun laws.

Meaningless prattle.

The 60 votes required in the Senate ensures minority rule.

That's bullshit. 2/3rds majority means that the Senate is a more deliberative body than the House. Our founders did not see Government has caretakers of the public. But rather, as defenders of our borders and inherent rights to liberty and freedom.
 
surely you are not saying that the RIGHTS of the majority are more important than the RIGHTS of the minority, are you?
I am saying that in the matters we addressed, the rights of the majority aren’t being represented. The will of the people aren’t being served. Oppression of human beings is an entirely different matter
 
States aren't people. States are just lines and borders.
this is one of those simple concepts that liberals apparently don't understand.
The federal government was created by the people AND the states. Therefore each of the 50 states is a separate entity. It is the reason why the Senate body was created, to ensure representation of each states interests over the federal government.

The Senate, w/ the House, sets most of the policy in the U.S. Rural constituents get a completely disproportionate say in that policy w/ the Senate. That's our system, so that's how it is - but the idea that voters in less populated states won't be heard if we move to a popular vote is just wrong.
tell us what would happen to those rural constituents if mob rule was implemented

I mean, look at SCOTUS. It's as right-wing as a body can get. Completely out of step w/ the mainstream. Right now, our gov't is much more conservative than its people.
are you saying that it's the job of SCOTUS to implement the will of the majority?
 
I am saying that in the matters we addressed, the rights of the majority aren’t being represented. The will of the people aren’t being served. Oppression of human beings is an entirely different matter

they are indeed being represented. the will of the people does not get to ignore the rights of the minority.
 
When towns elect a mayor - is it "mob rule?"

Of course not. It's just the people, electing a leader. Calling it "mob rule" makes it sound unfair. We're a gov't by the people. Going w/ a popular vote outcome would be in keeping w/ the ideas of many of our founders, who believed in that but made concessions for the slave states.
 
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