Senate GOP rapidly abandoning the Big Lie

Cypress said:
I think Republican politicians knew Trumpf was lying, but they cynically used the lie to fund raise.

The only morons dumb enough to actually believe the lies are MAGAs posting on social media and message boards like this one
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I think they just feared a primary challenge if they didn't toe the line, which ended up being well founded.

The idiots never thought about the election, but losing a primary gives them absolutely no chance.
 
Yakuda said:
People accused of wrong doing dont need to prove their innocence. Maybe you dont live in America but here the accusers must prove their claim. They either wouldnt or couldnt. What a retarded donkey dick sucking leftist you are
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Russians have admitted they colluded with trump. The investigation did not conclude trump innocent, they concluded they were not going to prosecute because he was president.
 
Cypress said:
I think Republican politicians knew Trumpf was lying, but they cynically used the lie to fund raise.

The only morons dumb enough to actually believe the lies are MAGAs posting on social media and message boards like this one
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Right To Vote: How Republican Lawmakers Used Trump's 'Big Lie' To Restrict Voting

Former President Trump's false claims about voter fraud sparked a movement to restrict voting access.

In the first half of this year (2021), 17 states have passed more than two dozen new laws that restrict access to the vote. Each day this week, we'll be exploring those efforts. Our Right To Vote series begins by looking at how a persistent lie from Donald Trump led Republicans all over the country to push this new wave of legislation.

Excerpt: From NPR
 
Cypress said:
I think Republican politicians knew Trumpf was lying, but they cynically used the lie to fund raise.

The only morons dumb enough to actually believe the lies are MAGAs posting on social media and message boards like this one
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I think you're right about that. Except for Boebert and Greene, I doubt that any federally elected official ever believed in any sort of voter fraud. They used it to appease and milk the MAGAs. And boy was it effective.
 
Cypress said:
Senate GOP rebukes Trump with Electoral Count Act

Eighteen Senate Republican rebuked former President Trump this week by voting to clarify that the vice president does not have the power to overturn a presidential election as Trump pressured then-Vice President Mike Pence to do on Jan. 6, 2021.

And several other Republicans, who didn’t vote for the spending package, which included the electoral count reforms, such as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), previously expressed support for changes to the law to make it tougher to object to the Electoral College’s vote.

GOP senators ignored Trump’s argument posted on Truth Social, his social media platform, that the 1887 Electoral Count Act should be left the way it is “in case of Fraud.”

Republican senators across the political spectrum said they want to slam the door on the notation that Pence had the authority to throw out a state’s slate of electors, which could open the door for future vice presidents to attempt to interfere with the Electoral College’s vote.

“The Electoral Count Act, that statute needed to be fixed and clarified,” Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) said, referring to the 1887 law that Trump tried to exploit by arguing its ambiguity gave Pence an opening to halt the certification of Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election.

"A couple years ago there were a lot of questions raised about it. There wasn’t any question in my mind about what it said but since there are [questions], I think it’s important to nail that down,” he added.

Thune and other Senate Republicans have called on Trump to drop his unceasing efforts to contest the results of the last presidential election, something they see as futile, divisive and harmful with independent voters.

“We’re one election past 2020 and he still seems to be obsessed with that election. Obviously, I don’t think that’s good for him. It’s certainly not good for anybody else, which is why most of us have decided to move on,” Thune said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...p-rebukes-trump-with-electoral-count-act/amp/
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They are desperate to pretend Trump never happened.
 
Cypress said:
That's two consecutive presidents in a row Republicans have nominated who have utterly embarrassed not just America, but their own party.
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Yet both were elected by approximately half the population. What accounts for this fact?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Yet both were elected by approximately half the population. What accounts for this fact?
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When you think about what the American voters themselves did, they actually made the right call. The majority or plurality actually rejected Dumbya and Dump.

But the electoral system gives undue influence to the minority.

As to why Trump can consistently command a solid 35 or 40 loyal support , I just think a substantial number of humans gravitate towards authoritarianism. That is true in America, that is also true in Brazil, France, Russia, Italy, etc.
 
The Big Lie's last stand is happening right now out in AZ. The judge there is set to rule on whether there should be a re-vote in Maricopa after Kari Lake's grandstanding & baseless lawsuit.

Not a fan that it's down to one person to decide - but here's hoping he makes the correct decision, and we move on from election deniers & denial one & for all.
 
Cypress said:
When you think about what the American voters themselves did, they actually made the right call. The majority or plurality actually rejected Dumbya and Dump.

But the electoral system gives undue influence to the minority.

As to why Trump can consistently command a solid 35 or 40 loyal support , I just think a substantial number of humans gravitate towards authoritarianism. That is true in America, that is also true in Brazil, France, Russia, Italy, etc.
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Sorry, the "won the popular vote" thing becomes less relevant the closer the vote...especially for those receiving less than 50% of the vote. See examples below.

Disagreed on the Electoral System, but since it can only be changed by a Constitutional amendment, it's a purely academic discussion. I prefer more realistic changes such as ranking votes. :)

Agreed on authoritarianism. IMO, only weak, poorly educated and/or spoiled, lazy people gravitate toward authoritarianism. The pioneers who left Europe for the New World were not weak, spoiled or lazy. Too many Americans sitting around whining about their lives are the exact opposite of their ancestors who risked everything to come to America. A bit of this theory is proved out by the success of immigrants compared to natural citizens: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino...s-two-key-measures-financial-success-n1020291
Immigrants outperform native-born Americans on two key measures of financial success

Examples:
2016 Trump 46.1% Hillary 48.2%
2008 Obama 52.9% McCain 45.7%
2000 Bush 47.9% Gore 48.4%
1992 Clinton 43.0% Bush 37.5% Perot 18.9%
1988 Bush 53.4% Dukakis 45.7%
1980 Reagan 50.8% Carter 41.0% Anderson 6.6%
 
Cypress said:
Senate GOP rebukes Trump with Electoral Count Act

Eighteen Senate Republican rebuked former President Trump this week by voting to clarify that the vice president does not have the power to overturn a presidential election as Trump pressured then-Vice President Mike Pence to do on Jan. 6, 2021.

And several other Republicans, who didn’t vote for the spending package, which included the electoral count reforms, such as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), previously expressed support for changes to the law to make it tougher to object to the Electoral College’s vote.

GOP senators ignored Trump’s argument posted on Truth Social, his social media platform, that the 1887 Electoral Count Act should be left the way it is “in case of Fraud.”

Republican senators across the political spectrum said they want to slam the door on the notation that Pence had the authority to throw out a state’s slate of electors, which could open the door for future vice presidents to attempt to interfere with the Electoral College’s vote.

“The Electoral Count Act, that statute needed to be fixed and clarified,” Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) said, referring to the 1887 law that Trump tried to exploit by arguing its ambiguity gave Pence an opening to halt the certification of Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election.

"A couple years ago there were a lot of questions raised about it. There wasn’t any question in my mind about what it said but since there are [questions], I think it’s important to nail that down,” he added.

Thune and other Senate Republicans have called on Trump to drop his unceasing efforts to contest the results of the last presidential election, something they see as futile, divisive and harmful with independent voters.

“We’re one election past 2020 and he still seems to be obsessed with that election. Obviously, I don’t think that’s good for him. It’s certainly not good for anybody else, which is why most of us have decided to move on,” Thune said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...p-rebukes-trump-with-electoral-count-act/amp/
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refusal to certify is not an overturn.

it's the power of never was.
 
BartenderElite said:
The Big Lie's last stand is happening right now out in AZ. The judge there is set to rule on whether there should be a re-vote in Maricopa after Kari Lake's grandstanding & baseless lawsuit.

Not a fan that it's down to one person to decide - but here's hoping he makes the correct decision, and we move on from election deniers & denial one & for all.
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There'll be vestiges of it popping up as long as any of these nutjobs are still in elected positions, but, agreed, it's dying out as more Americans voice their displeasure with the nutjobs.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
There'll be vestiges of it popping up as long as any of these nutjobs are still in elected positions, but, agreed, it's dying out as more Americans voice their displeasure with the nutjobs.
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oh, is that the narrative?

:magagrin:

nice talking point, jackass...
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Cypress said:
Senate GOP rebukes Trump with Electoral Count Act

Eighteen Senate Republican rebuked former President Trump this week by voting to clarify that the vice president does not have the power to overturn a presidential election as Trump pressured then-Vice President Mike Pence to do on Jan. 6, 2021.

And several other Republicans, who didn’t vote for the spending package, which included the electoral count reforms, such as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), previously expressed support for changes to the law to make it tougher to object to the Electoral College’s vote.

GOP senators ignored Trump’s argument posted on Truth Social, his social media platform, that the 1887 Electoral Count Act should be left the way it is “in case of Fraud.”

Republican senators across the political spectrum said they want to slam the door on the notation that Pence had the authority to throw out a state’s slate of electors, which could open the door for future vice presidents to attempt to interfere with the Electoral College’s vote.

“The Electoral Count Act, that statute needed to be fixed and clarified,” Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) said, referring to the 1887 law that Trump tried to exploit by arguing its ambiguity gave Pence an opening to halt the certification of Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election.

"A couple years ago there were a lot of questions raised about it. There wasn’t any question in my mind about what it said but since there are [questions], I think it’s important to nail that down,” he added.

Thune and other Senate Republicans have called on Trump to drop his unceasing efforts to contest the results of the last presidential election, something they see as futile, divisive and harmful with independent voters.

“We’re one election past 2020 and he still seems to be obsessed with that election. Obviously, I don’t think that’s good for him. It’s certainly not good for anybody else, which is why most of us have decided to move on,” Thune said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...p-rebukes-trump-with-electoral-count-act/amp/
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And yet the MAGA morons continue to swallow the bullshit on a daily basis.

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Dutch Uncle said:
About time, Fredo.

New Year's Resolution for you: less masturbation and more shaving. :thup:
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