‘Who will blink first?’ Is nuclear war between Russia and the US possible? | RT

[goat]

The IMF and the world bank, perhaps, but the U.S. isn't just composed of its power brokers. The U.S. has a lot more going for it then its military prowess.

It took Rome almost 400 years to collapse after it went morally bankrupt.

 

[Scott]

The petrodollar can not and will not allow any challenger. WW3 is the only chance the US, IMF, and world bank have to survive.

The IMF and the world bank, perhaps, but the U.S. isn't just composed of its power brokers. The U.S. has a lot more going for it then its military prowess.

It took Rome almost 400 years to collapse after it went morally bankrupt.

I don't know about Rome being morally bankrupt 400 years before its collapse. I'm not sure if you think that the U.S. is morally bankrupt- if so, I'd disagree. I think even U.S. power brokers have some morality, though I'm certainly not impressed with the moral caliber of some of them. But more importantly, the U.S. is not only composed of its power brokers. And while I think the voting system has deep flaws, I also think it's much better than not having a voting system at all.

All of this doesn't mean that the U.S. can't suffer societal collapse, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens a lot sooner than 400 years. But I think we should take heart in the fact that even after Rome collapsed, its culture, and some important lessons, were not. The medieval times were dark, but they weren't forever and eventually led to the rennaisance. Some science fiction authors have taken a look at the past to predict our future. While I never read Isaac Asimov's Foundation series, I have watched the first season of the TV series and I think it gives us ideas as to how to prepare.

Even the Washington Post, hardly what I'd call a bastion of forward thinking, even published an article recently acknowleding the wisdom of some preppers:

The Preppers Were Right All Along | The Washington Post

If you've seen the Game of Thrones tv series, you'll know that there was a line that became rather famous, "Winter is coming". We're currently in the seasonal winter, but perhaps we've now arrived at a metaphorical one as well. I think we need to try to preserve what's most important to us and remember that those who prepare for hard times are more likely to see them through to the good times once again.

 

[goat]

I don't know about Rome being morally bankrupt 400 years before its collapse. I'm not sure if you think that the U.S. is morally bankrupt- if so, I'd disagree. I think even U.S. power brokers have some morality, though I'm certainly not impressed with the moral caliber of some of them. But more importantly, the U.S. is not only composed of its power brokers. And while I think the voting system has deep flaws, I also think it's much better than not having a voting system at all.

All of this doesn't mean that the U.S. can't suffer societal collapse, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens a lot sooner than 400 years. But I think we should take heart in the fact that even after Rome collapsed, its culture, and some important lessons, were not. The medieval times were dark, but they weren't forever and eventually led to the rennaisance. Some science fiction authors have taken a look at the past to predict our future. While I never read Isaac Asimov's Foundation series, I have watched the first season of the TV series and I think it gives us ideas as to how to prepare.

Even the Washington Post, hardly what I'd call a bastion of forward thinking, even published an article recently acknowleding the wisdom of some preppers:

The Preppers Were Right All Along | The Washington Post

If you've seen the Game of Thrones tv series, you'll know that there was a line that became rather famous, "Winter is coming". We're currently in the seasonal winter, but perhaps we've now arrived at a metaphorical one as well. I think we need to try to preserve what's most important to us and remember that those who prepare for hard times are more likely to see them through to the good times once again.

I can work with you but first you need to learn how to communicate in the 21st century.

 

[Scott]

I can work with you but first you need to learn how to communicate in the 21st century.

Care to elaborate on what you mean?

 

[goat]

Care to elaborate on what you mean?

Twitter gives you 280 characters. You need to get to the point instead of explaining 200 years of German boilerplate science.

 

[McRocket]

Anything is possible.

But unless Ukraine invades Crimea and appears to be close to taking it?
Which is part of Russia.
And whose people, time after time, have overwhelmingly voted in private polls to remain part of Russia?
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2020-04-03/russia-love
I doubt Russia will use nukes.

Zelenskyy better get it through his thick head that Crimea is GONE...for good.
And that is the way their citizens want it to be.


But, who knows?


Once again, I am 100% AGAINST, Russia invading Ukraine proper.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Tell me where I'm wrong.

You are WRONG to suppose that is logical.

It isn't.

 

[Taichiliberal]

The article does more than just give opinion. Like I said, it gives information (documented) that I wasn't aware of....and I dare so were many an American to this day....and that includes you. It's a good installment in the debate whether you like it or not.

Oh, and they are JAPANESE. The war has been over for 77 years, Japan is now an ally and a member of the U.N. and supporter of NATO. So indulging in an antiquated and period piece racial slur isn't necessary, much less justified.

Yet the opinion writer hadn't spent a day in the pacific during the war.

My father did spend 2 years in the pacific during WWII and said the Japanese (he always called them Japs) fought vigorously until the second atomic bomb was dropped.
There is no discrepancy that Japan is now an ally (we did help them rebuild after the war) and a NATO member. Sorry you were offended (seems everything offends liberals these days!).

So if no one actually fought in WWII their opinion/analysis doesn't count? By that "logic", any and all historical analysis is worthless despite official records coupled with first hand accounts...which makes up HISTORY, don't cha know!

I don't give a damn what your father called the Japanese....that was over 70 years ago and during War time. So carrying on a legacy of war induced racial bigotry is just plain stupid...which coming from a MAGA mook such as yourself is no great shock.

Your father was a grunt (no offense, so were my uncles in the Korean War), so he wasn't aware of the machinations behind the scenes like the article points to. Naturally, ANY army will fight to the end until given the official order to stop (unless defeated on the field and captured). The Japanese were just more fanatical about it.

Yes, I and anyone with a decent high school education knows that standard story of how we rebuilt Japan and it's transition to an ally and NATO assistant. We also know the official story & justification for dropping 2 nukes on Japan. The article I presented acknowledges this, BUT also presents valid evidence that it didn't necessarily have to be. Sorry if that disturbs you mental comfort zone, but know one said life was easy. Carry on.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov. It was a damned computer bug (allegedly). Just imagine... a computer bug.

I remember one of my high school teachers informing us that NATO had regular "false alarms" that damned near started the a "final countdown" sequence. that was in 1970. Lord knows what goes on today.

 

[Nordberg]

We lost 6 atomic bombs. We had several really bad incidents that could have started a nuke war. We dropped a nuke in Spain.

 

[RB 60]

So if no one actually fought in WWII their opinion/analysis doesn't count? By that "logic", any and all historical analysis is worthless despite official records coupled with first hand accounts...which makes up HISTORY, don't cha know!

I don't give a damn what your father called the Japanese....that was over 70 years ago and during War time. So carrying on a legacy of war induced racial bigotry is just plain stupid...which coming from a MAGA mook such as yourself is no great shock.

Your father was a grunt (no offense, so were my uncles in the Korean War), so he wasn't aware of the machinations behind the scenes like the article points to. Naturally, ANY army will fight to the end until given the official order to stop (unless defeated on the field and captured). The Japanese were just more fanatical about it.

Yes, I and anyone with a decent high school education knows that standard story of how we rebuilt Japan and it's transition to an ally and NATO assistant. We also know the official story & justification for dropping 2 nukes on Japan. The article I presented acknowledges this, BUT also presents valid evidence that it didn't necessarily have to be. Sorry if that disturbs you mental comfort zone, but know one said life was easy. Carry on.

Quit your fucking dissenting and babbling and face the fact that Japan had no intentions of surrendering until the second bomb was dropped. NOT sorry if that fact disturbs you. Carry on...

 

[Scott]

We lost 6 atomic bombs. We had several really bad incidents that could have started a nuke war. We dropped a nuke in Spain.

The U.S. actually accidentally dropped 4 nukes in Spain after a mid air collision between a nuclear armed U.S. B52 bomber and its refuelling tanker:
Palomares Anniversary: That Time the US Dropped 4 Nukes on Spain | ABC News

Fortunately, none of them detonated their nuclear payloads. However, "the conventional high explosives on two of the bombs did detonate, essentially turning those weapons into dirty bombs that blasted plutonium radiation across the countryside."

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
So if no one actually fought in WWII their opinion/analysis doesn't count? By that "logic", any and all historical analysis is worthless despite official records coupled with first hand accounts...which makes up HISTORY, don't cha know!

I don't give a damn what your father called the Japanese....that was over 70 years ago and during War time. So carrying on a legacy of war induced racial bigotry is just plain stupid...which coming from a MAGA mook such as yourself is no great shock.

Your father was a grunt (no offense, so were my uncles in the Korean War), so he wasn't aware of the machinations behind the scenes like the article points to. Naturally, ANY army will fight to the end until given the official order to stop (unless defeated on the field and captured). The Japanese were just more fanatical about it.

Yes, I and anyone with a decent high school education knows that standard story of how we rebuilt Japan and it's transition to an ally and NATO assistant. We also know the official story & justification for dropping 2 nukes on Japan. The article I presented acknowledges this, BUT also presents valid evidence that it didn't necessarily have to be. Sorry if that disturbs you mental comfort zone, but know one said life was easy. Carry on.

Quit your fucking dissenting and babbling and face the fact that Japan had no intentions of surrendering until the second bomb was dropped. NOT sorry if that fact disturbs you. Carry on...

Poor widdle RB60...like any mentally challenged MAGA mook, he gets his talking point/mantra and just parrots it ad nausea. Forget contrary evidence/information to the contrary...RB says that if there is no eye witness recount, then ANY other pertaining information is invalid.

Once reduced to this status, MAGA mooks like RB60 are not worth responding to. I leave him to parrot, sputter and fume.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

At some point, we'll just have to get it over with.

Nothing lasts forever, and that includes humanity.

 

[Taichiliberal]

At some point, we'll just have to get it over with.

Nothing lasts forever, and that includes humanity.

Speak for yourself, kid. I say all those who "just have to get it over with" should be locked into a football stadium with baseball bats at night....turn out the lights and let them have at it. Meanwhile, the rest of us learn to share and be nice to each other.

 

[RB 60]

Poor widdle RB60...like any mentally challenged MAGA mook, he gets his talking point/mantra and just parrots it ad nausea. Forget contrary evidence/information to the contrary...RB says that if there is no eye witness recount, then ANY other pertaining information is invalid.

Once reduced to this status, MAGA mooks like RB60 are not worth responding to. I leave him to parrot, sputter and fume.

If I'm not worth responding to, then why did you respond? Because you know you're a fucking pathetic whiny ass libturd loser?

 

[Monad Portal]

Everyone just assumes that the moment one power hits the button the other poer will respond with all nukes and the world ends up dying. Frankly I doubt that if Putin were to nuke New York tomorrow Biden will launch an all out nuclear strike against Russia. This is my favorite clip from Yes Minister which I think perfectly explains why you wont see an all out nuclear strike.

yes.

that is how you should look at it.

can confirm.

war = gay.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Speak for yourself, kid. I say all those who "just have to get it over with" should be locked into a football stadium with baseball bats at night....turn out the lights and let them have at it. Meanwhile, the rest of us learn to share and be nice to each other.

That sharing and being nice to each other is theoretically desirable but totally contrary to the true nature of humanity. And this applies even more so to Americans who have no solidarity domestically.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Speak for yourself, kid. I say all those who "just have to get it over with" should be locked into a football stadium with baseball bats at night....turn out the lights and let them have at it. Meanwhile, the rest of us learn to share and be nice to each other.

That sharing and being nice to each other is theoretically desirable but totally contrary to the true nature of humanity.
And this applies even more so to Americans who have no solidarity domestically....and still manage to be xenophobic toward the rest of the world.

 

[Lionfish]