‘Who will blink first?’ Is nuclear war between Russia and the US possible? | RT

goat said:
Wow. That's like saying Hitler saved the jews by gassing them. When boys have a new toy, they have to play with it. Russia has some new toys, too. Is testing out new toys where you want to go?
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I dont understand the comparison. I provided a why as to my scenario. Because we would have killed so many in the invasion of the home islands.

How would Hitler have saved the jews?
 
tsuke said:
I dont understand the comparison. I provided a why as to my scenario. Because we would have killed so many in the invasion of the home islands.

How would Hitler have saved the jews?
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You refuse to accept the fact that Japan was trying to surrender when Truman nuked them.
 
tsuke said:
IMO what it really illustrates is that it takes a lot for the current leader in power to actually push that button. So much so that Jim was already presented with a scenario where Russia took the entirety of western europe and he still wouldnt push the button.

Thats why I think that not even a nuclear first strike will trigger a nuclear armaggeddon. Lets be clear though I only think that if Russia sends one nuke. If russia sends like 1000 the US will respond with 1000 and we will go into Fallout 2 world.
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I do agree that makes sense, but even a single nuke can do a heck of a lot of damage. And there have already been times where it almost happened, the Cuban Missile Crisis being one of them.
 
goat said:
Phoenyx said:
I don't know about the U.S. pushing for WW3 per se. I suspect it's more that they think that Russia will blink first. It's akin to thinking that the U.S. would blink first during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Just as Cuba was in the U.S.'s backyard, Ukraine is right next to Russia- Russia's not blinking. The sooner the U.S. gets that, the better off everyone will be.
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The US is in systemic collapse. The only way out is WW3. Don't kid yourself. The history of failed empire is there for all to see.
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You may well be right that the current U.S. system will collapse soon. However, I don't see how WW3 would be a way out. If anything, I think it'd just accelerate the deterioration rapidly.
 
Nordberg said:
Phoenyx said:
No, it was Zelensky who actually brought up nukes just a little before Putin decided to begin his military operation. Putin even responded to Zelensky's comments on the matter in the speech that he gave when he declared Russia's recognition of the Donbass Republics, on February 21st. It's all documented in the following article from the Daily Wire published on February 23rd:

President Zelensky Suggests Ukraine May Pursue Nuclear Weapons To Counter Russia, Putin Responds | dailywire.com
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Zelensky does not have nukes. Ukraine MAY pursue them? That is what you bring?
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How's the U.S. feel about Iran getting nukes? Iran's not even saying they want to pursue them, in fact they've categorically denied wanting them, and yet look at the stack of sanctions the U.S. has put on it. And Iran is nowhere near the U.S.
 
SOS, different day.

I've been hearing the SOS from various "experts" since I was in junior high...and I'm in my early 60's!

Yeah, like a broken clock this will come to pass in one form or another some day. But then, that would end all that filthy lucre for the defense industry. Ahh, the military/industrial complex....for a safer, better life. :rolleyes:
 
Taichiliberal said:
SOS, different day.

I've been hearing the SOS from various "experts" since I was in junior high...and I'm in my early 60's!

Yeah, like a broken clock this will come to pass in one form or another some day. But then, that would end all that filthy lucre for the defense industry. Ahh, the military/industrial complex....for a safer, better life. :rolleyes:
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I think you agree that the military industrial complex is a big problem, right?
 
Phoenyx said:
How's the U.S. feel about Iran getting nukes? Iran's not even saying they want to pursue them, in fact they've categorically denied wanting them, and yet look at the stack of sanctions the U.S. has put on it. And Iran is nowhere near the U.S.
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That was our excuse to choke the life out of them. We already chose our representatives to rule the middle east. Iran is not necessary.
 
Phoenyx said:
You may well be right that the current U.S. system will collapse soon. However, I don't see how WW3 would be a way out. If anything, I think it'd just accelerate the deterioration rapidly.
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The petrodollar can not and will not allow any challenger. WW3 is the only chance the US, IMF, and world bank have to survive.
 
tsuke said:
if that were true they would have surrendered after the first nuke
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The issue was the terms of the surrender. Professor Peter Kuznick explains in an interview he did for Sputnik. Quoting from it:

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Professor Peter Kuznick: We knew that there were two ways to get the Japanese to surrender without using the bomb. The first was to change the surrender terms to let them know that they could keep the emperor. The emperor to them was a deity.

As [General Douglas] MacArthur's Southwest Pacific command said in the summer of 1945, the execution of the emperor to them:

"would be comparable to the crucifixion of Christ to us. All would fight to die like ants”.

Almost all of Truman's advisers urged him to change his surrender terms. Let the Japanese know that they could keep the emperor. The one person who resisted that was the one person that Truman relied on. And that was Secretary of State James Byrnes. And Byrnes said, "you'll be politically crucified if you let them keep the emperor". Nonsense. There were no repercussions after the war when we did let them keep the emperor.
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Source:
Nuking of Japan Was ‘Totally Unnecessary’ and Didn't End World War II, US Historian Explains | sputniknews.com
 
goat said:
The US couldn't wait to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The US has an entire institution that comes up with better ways to kill people. The US is pushing for WW3 as we type. The obvious question is why?
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The US waited 4 years before nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki. How is the US pushing for WWIII?
 
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