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I would expect there'd be some expansion. It will definitely expand when it gets high enough to freeze solid....like everyone on Payne Stewart's Learjet would have. It's a toss up whether everyone died of hypoxia first or hypothermia.

On average, the air temp drops below freezing above 8,000 feet. Payne's aircraft leveled off (programmable autopilot) above 46,000 where the temp would be less than -50F.

You have a complicated explanation but for the sake of kids and the JPP retards, let's KISS.

Let's start with PV = nT.
 
You have a complicated explanation but for the sake of kids and the JPP retards, let's KISS.

Let's start with PV = nT.

"Dammit Jim, I'm a pilot, not a mathematician!"

Say Boyle's Law and I'm "Yeah, I get it. BTDT, got the t-shirt". I've ridden the high altitude chamber a few times, scared the shit out of students by putting a potato chip bag* behind their heads as we climbed to the mid-teens in an unpressurized T-34C and loss pressurization twice in an airliner requiring an emergency descent to 10,000.


*then ate the remaining chips while the kid flew. Maintenance was never happy with me for leaving a mess but I felt the lesson was important for a couple reasons: pressurization and the importance of never becoming too comfortable while flying.
 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a pilot, not a mathematician!"

Say Boyle's Law and I'm "Yeah, I get it. BTDT, got the t-shirt". I've ridden the high altitude chamber a few times, scared the shit out of students by putting a potato chip bag* behind their heads as we climbed to the mid-teens in an unpressurized T-34C and loss pressurization twice in an airliner requiring an emergency descent to 10,000.


*then ate the remaining chips while the kid flew. Maintenance was never happy with me for leaving a mess but I felt the lesson was important for a couple reasons: pressurization and the importance of never becoming too comfortable while flying.

HAHAHAHA I like the reference. As I have stated, KISS.

The basic equation is PV=nT.

Like I said, it depends.

Let's take Chimborazo as an example. So one can pretty much expect the temperature to be slowly vary as it gets higher and higher.

So, therefore, according to the equation, the volume decreases as it goes higher (assuming the temperature is slowly varying).

The next one I will let you solve for Mt. Everest.

Blech I apologize for my error. Blame it on my drunkness. At Equator, the P and T remain or vary slowly down there.
 
It's like with a pendulum. There is no differential equation solution to it's path.

Since there is no solution, the best we can do is find a near exact approximation. In the case of the pendulum's path, sine is used to approximate. It turned out to be a very (near) exact solution that would work.

It's the same thing as the N-body problem. There is no exact solutions to any of those types of problems but they can be approximated or their expected solutions/paths being fed into a supercomputer. See IBM mainframe during the launch at NASA.

Every time someone asks me why there is no exact solution, I always answer the same thing. Nature is unpredictable so there is no exact predication.
 
If you include water vapor then, yes, it's always full.

Quite the fudge factor there. Any gas would count as filling the volume. The problem however is the void space between the atoms of that gas. So, there'd still be room for more "stuff" within the space.

Optimism isn't perfect, but it often produces better results than negativism. The whole Little Engine That Could motto is correct. A positive attitude helps produce success because it optimizes the individual. Positive people keep trying until they succeed. Negative people give up.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-positive-thinking-2794772
What Is Positive Thinking?

Determined people keep trying until they succeed. Positive people keep thinking they will succeed even when it is obvious to observers they won't.

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Quite the fudge factor there. Any gas would count as filling the volume. The problem however is the void space between the atoms of that gas. So, there'd still be room for more "stuff" within the space.



Determined people keep trying until they succeed. Positive people keep thinking they will succeed even when it is obvious to observers they won't.

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You can say the same thing about H2O at the bottom half. The higher the temperature (or lower the pressure), the further apart those H2Os are.
 
Quite the fudge factor there. Any gas would count as filling the volume. The problem however is the void space between the atoms of that gas. So, there'd still be room for more "stuff" within the space.

Determined people keep trying until they succeed. Positive people keep thinking they will succeed even when it is obvious to observers they won't.
Nice try, Terry. The fact remains, water vapor is the gaseous form of water. Ergo, water is filling the glass in the scenario with liquid water in the bottom half. Get a fucking clue, sailor.

Agreed. The point you are missing is the positive factor. How many mostly negative but determined people succeed, on average, compared to mostly positive? Feel free to do your own research, but I'm sure you'll find that it's the determined positive people who outnumber the negative people in the success column, Terry. Negative people tend to quit. I'm surprised you didn't see that in your 20+ years in the Navy.
 
Nice try, Terry. The fact remains water vapor is the gaseous form of water. Ergo, water is filling the glass in the scenario with liquid water. Get a fucking clue, sailor.

Agreed. The point you are missing is the positive factor. How many mostly negative but determined people succeed, on average, compared to mostly positive? Feel free to do your own research, but I'm sure you'll find that it's the determined positive people who outnumber the negative people in the success column, Terry. Negative people tend to quit. I'm surprised you didn't see that in your 20+ years in the Navy.

Wrong. There is void space between the molecules. I can cram more whatever into the container. You are a scientific illiterate.
 
Wrong. There is void space between the molecules. I can cram more whatever into the container. You are a scientific illiterate.
No shit, Terry. That's what gas is, son. Why do you think butane is liquid in the can but gas when it comes out? Is it just a mystery to you? Or did you never wonder about it?

Do you think there is only one form of water, Terry?
 
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