ACT test scores the lowest in over 30 years

Worth stating I argued that there is racism causing disparity, not that any disparity is caused by racism. There is a subtle difference.



Black immigrants from Africa do better than American whites. Immigrants generally do better than Americans.



Shouldn't the goal be educating people? Grades might be a good tool to use to get to that goal, but when did they become the goal in themselves? If grades and tests are the goal, we can just give everyone straight A's and call it a day. No need to "waste" our time with education, if it is not a goal.

Don't quote me on this but I believe a very sizable number of black students in the Ivy Leagues are first or second generation immigrants. The argument I've heard is they didn't have to grow up with the legacy of slavery thus their better performance. That's a whole other discussion.

Schools, and especially elite schools, need some form of measurement to identify top students. If our current system of doing so is racist then what should be implemented in its place?

We also exist in a global world today. A lot of Boomers on this board didn't have to compete with large number of Asian, Indian and students from all over the world when applying for schools. Our education system needs to set up our kids to compete, and succeed, in a global economy. How to do that with the push for equity is the question.
 
Schools, and especially elite schools, need some form of measurement to identify top students.

Yes and no. If you just pick the "best" students, without any consideration of diversity, then the system will become bias towards whatever the system believes the best students are. No one will ever challenge that, and the system will stagnate. The great success of the western liberal education system is to care more about diversity than about getting the best.

Liberal in this case is the opposite of servile, not the opposite of conservative. The liberal arts would be the studies of free people, while the servile arts would be the studies of slaves.

The Greeks had many different types of political systems, but they all were political. Debating was an import part of a Greek free person's education. For debate to happen you need diversity, people from diverse backgrounds. That had the unintended consequence of creating an ever changing education system, constantly admitting new diverse people in, who are constantly testing the system.

The Arabs, East Asians, South Asians, and others had education systems that got the "best" students, and stagnated.

Don't quote me on this but I believe a very sizable number of black students in the Ivy Leagues are first or second generation immigrants. The argument I've heard is they didn't have to grow up with the legacy of slavery thus their better performance. That's a whole other discussion.

There is something to be said for starting a new life. People who immigrate, and the next few generations, often do better in school.

A lot of Boomers on this board didn't have to compete with large number of Asian, Indian and students from all over the world when applying for schools.

They had to compete with Jews who were no longer being held back. Every generation has to compete with more diversity.

60% of the world AI developers live in the USA, but two thirds of those were born outside the USA. China has nothing that can ever compare. It will never be able to convince foreign experts to move there in huge numbers.
 
Translation: Damn you, Dutch! You're right again!

Yeah, I know. It's both a blessing and a curse, Jack. How's unemployment treating you these days?

I'm retired you stupid lying cunt. Thinking about going back to work at the prison I last worked at. How bout you? Dick sucking make you rich?
 
I'm retired you stupid lying cunt. Thinking about going back to work at the prison I last worked at. How bout you? Dick sucking make you rich?

Translation: I'm on welfare!

How awesome for you. Too bad you're so unhappy in your "golden years". Why did you work in a job you hated? That's fucking stupid, IMO, but YMMV.

I liked my job and am happy in retirement. The only dick involved was mine. Lots of women always made it fun at work.
 
Translation: I'm on welfare!

How awesome for you. Too bad you're so unhappy in your "golden years". Why did you work in a job you hated? That's fucking stupid, IMO, but YMMV.

I liked my job and am happy in retirement. The only dick involved was mine. Lots of women always made it fun at work.

I've never seen one of you useless sons of bitches ever spew anything but fake shit.
 
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