Ukraine urged to destroy Russia's bridge to Crimea

[Cypress]

TOTALLY dodged my INCREDIBLY, simple question.

You typed:

'The bridge is the major supply route for the Russian army in Crimea, and a legitimate military target.'
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ssia-s-bridge-to-Crimea&p=5318133#post5318133


I will give you one, last chance to answer the incredibly simple question:

So then you obviously think it is not a war crime if the Russians target all, major supply routes for the Ukrainian army, in Ukraine?
Yes or no, please?

You answer ANYTHING but 'yes'?
And it is clear that you are a TOTAL hypocrite on this.
And you apply, completely different, humanitarian standards to each country.
Which is pretty fucked up.



Once again, I am 100% against Russia invading Ukraine proper.

I do not accept your premise that any time a civilian dies in any war it is a war crime.

Even the war crime experts at the UN wouldn't accept your definition

Blowing up strategic bridges to deny your enemy their military supply and lines of communication is not a war crime, even if there is minor and coincidental collateral damage.

You might be the only person on the entire planet who thinks that is a war crime. Neither the UN nor any legitimate military expert will agree with you.

 

[saltydancin]

If you put down your bugle and took off your blindfold you'd appreciate the message behind the missile salvos . The fact that the death toll was very small- some eleven poor victims, I believe, following over eighty missiles fired at a dozen cities- should indicate to any clear-sighted observer- which you're not- that these strikes were merely a warning. The Russians targeted open areas, parks, road junctions , rural areas etc. The western press can holler and bawl about ' childrens' playgrounds, university grounds, hospital car-parks and so on but none of them mention the extremely low casualty figures from such a heavy bombardment. The fact that these- apparently high-precision- strikes took out a few dozen pigeons, some statues, the odd water fountain and some traffic lights goes unmentioned in your daily hogwash trough should alarm you.
You should bear in mind that a great many Ukrainians are pro-Russian. That, imo, is what has saved Zelensky and his Azov Nazi wannabes so far. Russia's problem is not how to kill NATO's Ukrainian Nazis, it's how to defend Ukraine's pro-Russians at the same time.
So- you were saying something about ' one-trick ' ?

Blazing Saddles was a classic as it seems 50 + years of Christiananality pedophilia regards its schizophrenia where Islam human reproduction medical pseudoscience for suicidal super ego sociopsychopathilogical human farming of women so no offspring are produced to wage war against Islam, but only to be subservient to "man is God" business economics dhimmitude servitude in harems while pedophilia is protected & served with Mohammed mass murder; also seemingly with qualified immunity from fabricated misnomers & immaculate conceptions in "one nation under God with equal justice under law".... Russia's Orthodox Church rootin' tootin' Putin style....

 

[moon]

Blazing Saddles was a classic as it seems 50 + years of Christiananality pedophilia regards its schizophrenia where Islam human reproduction medical pseudoscience for suicidal super ego sociopsychopathilogical human farming of women so no offspring are produced to wage war against Islam, but only to be subservient to "man is God" business economics dhimmitude servitude in harems while pedophilia is protected & served with Mohammed mass murder; also seemingly with qualified immunity from fabricated misnomers & immaculate conceptions in "one nation under God with equal justice under law".... Russia's Orthodox Church rootin' tootin' Putin style....

Yes, I enjoyed ' Blazing Saddles '- although I hadn't appreciated it as resistance recruitment disguised by layered Film Noir. I wish I hadn't pawned my VCR.

 

[McRocket]

I do not accept your premise that any time a civilian dies in any war it is a war crime.

Even the war crime experts at the UN wouldn't accept your definition

Blowing up strategic bridges to deny your enemy their military supply and lines of communication is not a war crime, even if there is minor and coincidental collateral damage.

You might be the only person on the entire planet who thinks that is a war crime. Neither the UN nor any legitimate military expert will agree with you.

I am talking about Ukrainian supple routes...NOT Russian ones.
Cheap, deflection tactics on your part.


Anyway, obviously, that is a 'no'

So, you typed: 'The (Kerch) bridge is the major supply route for the Russian army in Crimea, and a legitimate military target.'

But you clearly do not think the same applies to major supply routes inside Ukraine.

Hypocrisy.



BTW - I knew with almost 100% certainty that you would NOT answer 'yes'.
Because a) you clearly think of Russians as sub-human.
Which is disgusting.
All humans are equal.
And b) I doubted you had the integrity (on this) to admit your position on this is hypocritical.
And I was right.

We are done here.

Good day.

 

[Cypress]

I am talking about Ukrainian supple routes...NOT Russian ones.
You are employing pure Whataboutism (I just learned that term - thanks moon)


Anyway, obviously, that is a 'no'

So, you typed: 'The (Kerch) bridge is the major supply route for the Russian army in Crimea, and a legitimate military target.'

You do not think the same applies to major supply routes inside Ukraine.


BTW - I knew with almost 100% certainty that you would NOT answer 'yes'.

Because a) you clearly think of Russians as sub-human.
Which is disgusting.
All humans are equal.
And b) I doubted you had the integrity (on this) to admit you are a hypocrite on this.
And I was right.

We are done here.

Good day.

Your reading comprehension needs improvement.

I didn't say only Russian ones.

I said any bridge that has military value for supply or lines of communication is a legitimate military target in the rules of war.

You also tried to retroactively change the frame of the debate. You didn't ask me if civilian deaths in war were tragic.

You asked me if this bridge strike met the legal standard of a war crime.


You need to settle on what question you want to ask me before retroactively trying to change the frame of the debate.
.

 

[Stone]

This war will be drug out as long as possible at a great cost to Russia and an even greater cost to the Ukrainian people only to end the way we all already know how it will end. With parts of Ukraine now being parts of Russia. How stupid. What a waste of Human life. From the beginning Russia has approached this war with kid gloves. Those gloves are now off. Bombing the bridge was a bridge too far, way too far. It was foolish and people will pay with their lives. IMO Some of the war mongers in here and elsewhere should volunteer service and head on over. They wont of course.

 

[saltydancin]

Yes, I enjoyed ' Blazing Saddles '- although I hadn't appreciated it as resistance recruitment disguised by layered Film Noir. I wish I hadn't pawned my VCR.

With better sense of comedy than SCOTUS Rehnquist even though Rehnquist's fabricated Islam misnomer Freudian slip as a Christian Nation Chief Justice in practice of Christiananality pedophilia which is little more than a "one nation under God with equal justice under law" interpretation of Islam "death to the infidels" Mohammed pedophilia & mass murder that Russia's Orthodox Church rootin' tootin' Putin is also practicing with impunity.....

 

[ExpressLane]

The truck was a Russian truck with a Russian driver that originated in a Russian town. Makes you wonder if this wasn't a Russian resistance group in Russia that blew up the bridge.

 

[saltydancin]

The truck was a Russian truck with a Russian driver that originated in a Russian town. Makes you wonder if this wasn't a Russian resistance group in Russia that blew up the bridge.

Sounds as if Russia's Orthodox Church rootin' tootin' Putin propaganda of fighting fabricated Nazis to satisfy their suicidal super egos for beyond the pleasure principle state lynching enforcement just as SCOTUS & those crooks on Capital Hill Federal Lynching KKK churchstate of hate Christiananality pedophilia to protect & serve Islamidiotocracy pedophilia for the 21st century national religion survival of the fittest fascists .

 

[Cypress]

This war will be drug out as long as possible at a great cost to Russia and an even greater cost to the Ukrainian people only to end the way we all already know how it will end. With parts of Ukraine now being parts of Russia. How stupid.

Some of Stone's other Ukraine predictions:

The Ukraine will be totally over run within days.

Soon the Ukrainian Army will be all but destroyed.

 

[McRocket]

Some of Stone's other Ukraine predictions:

He made predictions.
OVER SEVEN MONTHS AGO!!!
They did not come to pass.
SO WHAT?

Have you ever made a prediction that proved to be erroneous?
Yes or No?

 

[Stone]

Some of Stone's other Ukraine predictions:

Classic shill job. Too bad it wont save you.

 

[McRocket]

This war will be drug out as long as possible at a great cost to Russia and an even greater cost to the Ukrainian people only to end the way we all already know how it will end. With parts of Ukraine now being parts of Russia. How stupid. What a waste of Human life. From the beginning Russia has approached this war with kid gloves. Those gloves are now off. Bombing the bridge was a bridge too far, way too far. It was foolish and people will pay with their lives. IMO Some of the war mongers in here and elsewhere should volunteer service and head on over. They wont of course.

Well said.
Ron Paul would be proud (I bet).

Of course, most people will scream at you.
Because - thanks to the MSM and Biden - if you are not, rabidly anti-Russian?
You are ________ (fill in the blank with a ginormous insult).

 

[McRocket]

1) this was a STUPID, tactical/strategic mistake by Ukraine, imo.

They were gaining territory on the ground.
There was NO need for this attack.

The notion that this bridge was 'vital' to the Russian military is nonsense.
Can no one in the MSM/Bidenbots/neocons read a fucking map?

It is far easier for Russia to supply their forces through the Donbass (Donetsk Oblast)?
Rather than going all the fucking way around the Sea of Azov.
This was - at most - a significant, inconvenience to Crimea/Russian troops in the Kerson Oblast.

2) Russia has - contrary to the MSM and with some exceptions - not been targeting civilians.
Yes, they hit apartment buildings.
This happens in wars.
DUH!!!
ALL of them.
America hit plenty of civilian targets - by mistake - in Iraq and Afghanistan.
But, of course, the MSM jumps on every incident of collateral damage to help spin their 'Russia are evil' narrative.

Hello - you military morons?
The Ukrainian military was/is, firing artillery/basing their units, inside civilian areas.
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...ces-endanger-civilians-homes-schools-87924411
(credit to ABC for publishing this report, btw)
Are the Russians supposed to just sit there and let themselves get killed?
And not fire back?

And why the Hell are Ukraine stationing their military forces so close to civilians?
If they are SOOOOOOO worried about collateral damage?
Because they KNOW the Russians don't want to kill people who might, one day, be Russians.
So, Ukraine - like cowards - are firing from civilian areas, knowing that Russia is hesitant to fire into these areas.


3) Now, Zelenskyy, with the Kerch attack, has basically dared Putin to start pounding Ukraine's infrastructure.

And even at that?
The first round of missile attacks 'only' killed 10 Ukrainians (apparently).
Ten too many...definitely.
But clearly, the Russians (so far, for the most part) are trying to kill as few civilians as they can.
They could have slaughtered hundreds of civilians EASILY, if that was their goal.

4) sinking the heavy cruiser Moskva was a brilliant move.
A pure, military target.
Which gave Putin NO excuse to hit back at Ukraine infrastructure in retaliation.

But this Kerch attack is just daring Putin to retaliate.
Is Zelenskyy SO, staggeringly stupid that he thought Putin would not respond?
No.
More likely, he does not care remotely as much about nameless, Ukrainian casualties as he claims to (though...almost all politicians are like this).

5) I am NOT saying Russia are saints.
I am 100% against Putin invading Ukraine proper.
But war IS hell.
When it is all said and done.
History will show that both sides, committed atrocities.
And both sides - needlessly - killed/risked, innocent civilians.

 

[Stone]

He made predictions.
OVER SEVEN MONTHS AGO!!!
They did not come to pass.
SO WHAT?

Have you ever made a prediction that proved to be erroneous?
Yes or No?

The mistake I made was not giving the Russians enuff credit for trying to fight the war in a humanitarian way. I thought they would invade like we do. Blast Ukraine from air, sea, and land with missiles and pound from the air with heavy bombers for weeks before any boots hit the ground. But they didnt when they certainly easily could have.

 

[moon]

Russians, Muslims, Chinese- the Enemy of the Month is selected by the Military/Industrial Complex , the message is conveyed to their political employees and the herd is directed to Hate and Scream for the good of corporate America.

Don't you recall that the government knew , for years, that the Vietnam war was lost- yet continued to send the flower of America to fill the corporate uniforms and fire the corporate guns.
It's the same today- except Ukrainians are the spear-carriers.

 

[McRocket]

The mistake I made was not giving the Russians enuff credit for trying to fight the war in a humanitarian way. I thought they would invade like we do. Blast Ukraine from air, sea, and land with missiles and pound from the air with heavy bombers for weeks before any boots hit the ground. But they didnt when they certainly easily could have.

Actually, I assumed Putin would assist the two Oblast's (Donetsk and Luhansk) who had voted overwhelmingly to leave Ukraine, back in 2014.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums
Help free them from Kiev attacks by establishing a 'neutral zone' 25 miles around them (to stop Ukrainian artillery fire into the Oblast's).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014–2022)
And leave it at that.

I have NO IDEA why he tried to invade the ENTIRE, fucking country!
That was not only, morally wrong (duh).
But also really, REALLY stupid, imo.

And considering how brilliantly he handled Syria?
This was surprisingly inept.

I - obviously - WAY over estimated his intelligence in this regard.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Some of Stone's other Ukraine predictions:

You've always been a hectoring braggart, put a sock in it ffs!!

 

[Monad Portal]

Russians, Muslims, Chinese- the Enemy of the Month is selected by the Military/Industrial Complex , the message is conveyed to their political employees and the herd is directed to Hate and Scream for the good of corporate America.

Don't you recall that the government knew , for years, that the Vietnam war was lost- yet continued to send the flower of America to fill the corporate uniforms and fire the corporate guns.
It's the same today- except Ukrainians are the spear-carriers.

nailed it.

 

[McRocket]

With better sense of comedy than SCOTUS Rehnquist even though Rehnquist's fabricated Islam misnomer Freudian slip as a Christian Nation Chief Justice in practice of Christiananality pedophilia which is little more than a "one nation under God with equal justice under law" interpretation of Islam "death to the infidels" Mohammed pedophilia & mass murder that Russia's Orthodox Church rootin' tootin' Putin is also practicing with impunity.....

Two thoughts whilst reading this.

1) have you NEVER heard of a 'comma'?

2) what the Hell are you talking about?