Three cheers for Grayson!

PostmodernProphet said:
not a fucking chance....it's been obvious since I got here months ago that you NEVER know what you're talking about......show me some smarts before I acknowledge them....
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Once again I expose you for the neocon clown that you are......every blessed time there is a fact or analysis on these boards that you or any of your intellectually delusional bretheren cannot refute or disprove, you simply ignore and try to change the subject. This is a print medium, you dolt. People can simply click back and see what I say is true...and subsequently see your folly.

Grayson called out the GOPers for what they are by simply exposing the current consequences of the actions they want to continue. I've called you out for the BS artist and coward that you are during a logical debate. No need to further entertain your ditherings.....now go tell the other neocon clods on these boards the usual lies you tell each other when I whupp your sorry asses. I'm done with you....back to the dumpster you go.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
How true.....note how both PMP and Bravo AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE the simple FACTS of people dying under the current system DUE TO INTENT, not accident by factions of the private health insurance system. Then they want to pretend that it's all the Dems' fault, the Dems have no real alternative, and that the GOP (along with Bluedog Dems) have been obstructionist to ANY serious alternative or reform.
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PostmodernProphet said:
sorry, touchie....a "fact" from a simple mind is not a simple fact....it's still a fabrication.....
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Must I humiliate you with a list of testimonies from former Health Insurance company execs as to how policy resulted in the deaths of good paying customers? Like Potter from Cigna has done since 2007 (and he's just ONE)? Or do I have to show how willfully ignorant you are of the testimonies of good, honest middle class folk screwed by their health insurance companies? (an example: http://mediamatters.org/research/200906220028 )

I'm tired of doing the homework for intellectually delusional toots like you.....you'll just ignore what you don't like and vomit up the same old Beck/teabagger talking point. Go squawk among the other parrots the lies that make you feel good...the recorded post expose you for the fraud you are.

Grayson has the GOP's number, and I've got yours, you PostModernFool. Back in the dumpster until you mend your ways.
 
Taichiliberal said:

Must I humiliate you with a list of testimonies from former Health Insurance company execs as to how policy resulted in the deaths of good paying customers? Like Potter from Cigna has done since 2007 (and he's just ONE)? Or do I have to show how willfully ignorant you are of the testimonies of good, honest middle class folk screwed by their health insurance companies? (an example: http://mediamatters.org/research/200906220028 )

I'm tired of doing the homework for intellectually delusional toots like you.....you'll just ignore what you don't like and vomit up the same old Beck/teabagger talking point. Go squawk among the other parrots the lies that make you feel good...the recorded post expose you for the fraud you are.

Grayson has the GOP's number, and I've got yours, you PostModernFool. Back in the dumpster until you mend your ways.
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AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE the simple FACTS of people dying under the current system DUE TO INTENT, not accident by factions of the private health insurance system.

a list of testimonies from former Health Insurance company execs as to how policy resulted in the deaths of good paying customers?
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Read your link from mediamatters about Ins. Co. dropping customers because of pre-existing conditions...definitely a problem that needs to be addressed....

BUT...

Thats not what we're talking about here is it....pinhead....

Where is this 100s of thousands have died as a result of our healthcare system....?

Where is the GOP plan that says, "Die Quickly"

Where is the "Holocaust" of death....that implys millions instead of just 100s of thousands?

I can't wait.....
 
Taichiliberal said:
Grayson called out the GOPers for what they are [/COLOR]
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you see?...that's the extent of it.....you "proclaim" something and pretend you've proved it.....you're a sorry, half-assed excuse for a debater.....trot out some facts, see if you can make me apologize for doubting a liberal.....
 
Taichiliberal said:

Must I humiliate you
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let's be honest, even as a fuckup, you're small change.....you got some evidence to back up Greymatter's claim that Republicans want people to die early, feel free to trot it out....I won't bother waiting, since you've never backed up anything before....
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal

Must I humiliate you with a list of testimonies from former Health Insurance company execs as to how policy resulted in the deaths of good paying customers? Like Potter from Cigna has done since 2007 (and he's just ONE)? Or do I have to show how willfully ignorant you are of the testimonies of good, honest middle class folk screwed by their health insurance companies? (an example: http://mediamatters.org/research/200906220028 )

I'm tired of doing the homework for intellectually delusional toots like you.....you'll just ignore what you don't like and vomit up the same old Beck/teabagger talking point. Go squawk among the other parrots the lies that make you feel good...the recorded post expose you for the fraud you are.

Grayson has the GOP's number, and I've got yours, you PostModernFool. Back in the dumpster until you mend your ways.
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AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE the simple FACTS of people dying under the current system DUE TO INTENT, not accident by factions of the private health insurance system.


a list of testimonies from former Health Insurance company execs as to how policy resulted in the deaths of good paying customers?
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bravo said:
Read your link from mediamatters about Ins. Co. dropping customers because of pre-existing conditions...definitely a problem that needs to be addressed.... Don't soft soap it.....that company looked high and low for ANY excuse to drop that woman...and had they done their homework thoroughly, they would have quickly resolved the error. But that was NOT their intent. This is nothing new, people have been advocating for change for some time now....but both Dems & Gop in the pockets of insurance lobbiest just don't give a damn. Now that an actual possiblity of true reform exists, the masks are coming off.

BUT...

Thats not what we're talking about here is it....pinhead....

That's not what YOU are talking about, you intellectually impotent neocon jackass....you'll split any hair to avoid dealing with the base reality of what Grayson called out the GOP obstructionist on. THIS IS what's going on NOW.

Where is this 100s of thousands have died as a result of our healthcare system....? Is that the latest neocon limit number? If it's not "hundreds of thousands", then no biggie? So what if it's a few dozen or a hundred or two hundred? Hell, as long as it's not you and yours and the CEO's of Humana and Cigna are rich, fat and happy, no one gives a shit, and merrily we roll along? What a true POS you are, man.


Where is the GOP plan that says, "Die Quickly" where in the Dem plan are there death panels for seniors? or socialist agenda to destroy the American economy?
Where is the "Holocaust" of death....that implys millions instead of just 100s of thousands?


The National Coalition on Health Care gives a rough estimate of 45,000 annual deaths due lack of health care. The exact percentage due to denial is not at my fingertips. I'd say look it up yourself since you don't trust me, but since you're a lazy and cowardly neocon parrot in denial of the truth, you'll just have to be patient while I do your homework...again.

Grayson just gave you jokers a taste of your own medicine, and you don't like it....the real problem you have is that there's more than a kernel of truth to what Grayson says, http://www.npr.org/s.php?sId=13979799&m=1

I can't wait.....
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You won't wait...you've closed those pinholes for ears that all neocon parrots have. The only thing you are waiting for is the next instruction from the WND or Limbaugh or Beck...pathetic.
 
Taichiliberal said:
It's about time somebody got up the nerve to call out the GOP for their BS regarding healthcare reform. I find the hypocritical response of the GOP hysterical. TFB...live by the sword, die by the sword.

Now if someone can call out all the Dems on the health insurance companies "campaign fund" dole, and those "bluedogs" as well....

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/30/grayson-gop-plan/
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:clink:

gaia knows what the final bill will look like after the house and senate reconciliation committee get through with it
 
The study Grayson mentions is horseshit conducted by politically motivated researchers.

They did interviews between, 1988 and 1994, of 9,004 subjects asking them whether they were insured. They then found out how many had died by 2000. Deaths were supposedly 40% among those that had been uninsured at the time of interview.

There was no consideration of whether the person had attained health insurance after the interview or had insurance at the time of death. There was not any consideration of whether lack of care had anything to do with their death.
 
RStringfield said:
The study Grayson mentions is horseshit conducted by politically motivated researchers.

They did interviews between, 1988 and 1994, of 9,004 subjects asking them whether they were insured. They then found out how many had died by 2000. Deaths were supposedly 40% among those that had been uninsured at the time of interview.

There was no consideration of whether the person had attained health insurance after the interview or had insurance at the time of death. There was not any consideration of whether lack of care had anything to do with their death.
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It's called Junk Science.
 
Taichiliberal said:
You won't wait...you've closed those pinholes for ears that all neocon parrots have. The only thing you are waiting for is the next instruction from the WND or Limbaugh or Beck...pathetic.
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:lmao:
You post all that CRAP for nothing....you really think by typing a lot of irrelivant bullshit fools people into thinking your actually making some point ...all it does is make your shitpile that much bigger...changing the topic because you're gettin' your ass handed to you won't fool anybody....

Just admit it....

100s of thousands have died as a result of our healthcare system?
Is just liberal bullshit

the GOP plan that says, "Die Quickly"?
Exists only in the liberal fantasy world...aka...liberal bullshit...

the "Holocaust" of death....that this pinhead Grayson rants about ?
Again, liberal bullshit, hyperbolic nonsense......
 
TuTu Monroe said:
It's called Junk Science.
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Well said...I owe you a rep....

Its a shame that liberals accept nonsense like that solely because it comes from the hypocrites on the left....its the same with the man-made global warming crap.....

Guess we just can't help those that revel in their stupidity....
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
It's about time somebody got up the nerve to call out the GOP for their BS regarding healthcare reform. I find the hypocritical response of the GOP hysterical. TFB...live by the sword, die by the sword.

Now if someone can call out all the Dems on the health insurance companies "campaign fund" dole, and those "bluedogs" as well....

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/30/grayson-gop-plan/
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DonQuixote said:
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gaia knows what the final bill will look like after the house and senate reconciliation committee get through with it
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You ain't just whistl'in Dixie! Obama should take the hint from Grayson.....trying to be the fence straddler like Slick Willy was is getting us nowhere with the GOP and their bluedog lackies. They've made their position quite clear....now it's time to just "git 'er dun!"
 
RStringfield said:
The study Grayson mentions is horseshit conducted by politically motivated researchers. Really? And you can factually prove this beyond your opinion?

They did interviews between, 1988 and 1994, of 9,004 subjects asking them whether they were insured. They then found out how many had died by 2000. Deaths were supposedly 40% among those that had been uninsured at the time of interview.

There was no consideration of whether the person had attained health insurance after the interview or had insurance at the time of death. There was not any consideration of whether lack of care had anything to do with their death.
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Sorry, but that's just not the case. Read this CAREFULLY.

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE58G6W520090917
 
RStringfield said:
What, in that article, do you believe contradicts what I said.
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"....Some critics called the study flawed.

The National Center for Policy Analysis, a Washington think tank that backs a free-market approach to health care, said researchers overstated the death risk and did not track how long subjects were uninsured.

Woolhandler said that while Physicians for a National Health Program supports government-backed coverage, the Harvard study's six researchers closely followed the methodology used in the 1993 study conducted by researchers in the federal government as well as the University of Rochester in New York.

The Harvard researchers analyzed data on about 9,000 patients tracked by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Health Statistics through the year 2000. They excluded older Americans because those aged 65 or older are covered by the U.S. Medicare insurance program.

"For any doctor ... it's completely a no-brainer that people who can't get health care are going to die more from the kinds of things that health care is supposed to prevent," said Woolhandler, a professor of medicine at Harvard and a primary care physician in Cambridge, Massachusetts."
 
bravo said:
:lmao:
You post all that CRAP for nothing....you really think by typing a lot of irrelivant bullshit fools people into thinking your actually making some point ...all it does is make your shitpile that much bigger...changing the topic because you're gettin' your ass handed to you won't fool anybody....

Just admit it....

100s of thousands have died as a result of our healthcare system?
Is just liberal bullshit

the GOP plan that says, "Die Quickly"?
Exists only in the liberal fantasy world...aka...liberal bullshit...

the "Holocaust" of death....that this pinhead Grayson rants about ?
Again, liberal bullshit, hyperbolic nonsense......
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Well folks, if anyone has wondered why I've labeled this joker an intellectually impotent neocon parrot who is proud of his willful ignorance....this latest drool of his should answer that question. Pity the neocon bravado....facts are like sunlight to a vampire for them

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE58G6W520090917


I had this dummy's number LONG time ago, and when pushed to the wall with facts and logic, he just loses it....so much more to pity him.

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Taichiliberal said:
Well folks, if anyone has wondered why I've labeled this joker an intellectually impotent neocon parrot who is proud of his willful ignorance....this latest drool of his should answer that question. Pity the neocon bravado....facts are like sunlight to a vampire for them

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE58G6W520090917


I had this dummy's number LONG time ago, and when pushed to the wall with facts and logic, he just loses it....so much more to pity him.

Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - Three cheers for Grayson!
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Yeah, sure...heres the folks that did the "research"\

Physicians for a National Health Program

(From their website)

PNHP is at the forefront of research and action for a single-payer national health program.

Our Mission: Single-Payer National Health Insurance

At least they don't try to hide the fact that they are left-wing hacks

http://www.pnhp.org/
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And you have the freekin' gall to pass this bunch of loons...LOONS WITH AN ADMITTED AGENDA, as some one we should believe at face value.......
To call it junk science would be too kind.....

This only proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, that not only are you somewhat stupid, but incredibly gullible too....
Thats one hell of a combination to be burdened with....

and you imagine the rest of us might buy this crap as you do..?

When you see Obama give a speech, surrounded by a group of medical personal, you can bet they all got invited because they belong to this bunch.....

I'd bet you're a man-made global warming pinhead too, right!

 
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