Three cheers for Grayson!

Taichiliberal

Taichiliberal

Shaken, not stirred!
It's about time somebody got up the nerve to call out the GOP for their BS regarding healthcare reform. I find the hypocritical response of the GOP hysterical. TFB...live by the sword, die by the sword.

Now if someone can call out all the Dems on the health insurance companies "campaign fund" dole, and those "bluedogs" as well....

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/30/grayson-gop-plan/
 
three cheers for Grassley....Congress to be required to have coverage by whatever plan they approve....

Senators debating health-care reform legislation have unanimously approved a proposal requiring members of Congress and their staffs to obtain health insurance through new state-based purchasing exchanges set up by the health-care reform bill under consideration. Lawmakers and their staffs could no longer buy health insurance through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program beginning in 2013 if the proposal survives the final health-care bill passed by Congress.
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2009/09/congressional_health_benefits.html

so, if Grayson is right, our Senators will be dying right along side us......
 
I see nothing wrong with "calling out" anyone on an issue.....using facts to counter what the others side claims or at least educated opinion to counter what the opposition says...

But this crap by Grayson is just that ... crap....
Claiming that anyone wants the sick to die quickly is nothing but a childish rant from a newbie asshole in Washington....
If he had some facts to state or an adult rebuttal of some Republican claim that would have been great....

It's about time somebody got up the nerve to call out the GOP for their BS regarding healthcare reform. I find the hypocritical response of the GOP hysterical.
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There was no calling out...this was cheap, playground stunt....
There was no hysterical GOP response...their response was reasoned and the point made that Graysons claims were nonsense....

And I'm not surprised that the two biggest idiots on the site approve of Grayson's antics....not surprised at all....morons gravitate to other morons....
 
bravo said:
I see nothing wrong with "calling out" anyone on an issue.....using facts to counter what the others side claims or at least educated opinion to counter what the opposition says...

But this crap by Grayson is just that ... crap....
Claiming that anyone wants the sick to die quickly is nothing but a childish rant from a newbie asshole in Washington....
If he had some facts to state or an adult rebuttal of some Republican claim that would have been great....



There was no calling out...this was cheap, playground stunt....
There was no hysterical GOP response...their response was reasoned and the point made that Graysons claims were nonsense....

And I'm not surprised that the two biggest idiots on the site approve of Grayson's antics....not surprised at all....morons gravitate to other morons....
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For the last few months, you've had GOP senators and congressmen bellowing nothing BUT lies, distortions, half truths about just the proposals from the Obama administration (no concrete bills to be signed, mind you)....bullshit that practically mimicked the likes of Beck and Limbaugh, and was aptly demonstrated by the Freedomworks zombies at the 9/12 D.C. follies.

And NO negative reaction from folk like you on these boards....Hell, there's even attempts to validate and or justify that joker calling the President a liar.

Grayson ALWAYS pointed out that his hyperbole was supported by the FACT that the present day health insurance system is KILLING PEOPLE through denial and bureaucratic neglect.....and the GOP just wants the system to continue (or have the system monitor and clean up it's own act).

So the bottom line: Grayson called them out...and all the GOP has in rebuttal is sheer hypocrisy! If they don't like it, then they should clean up their act first.

And as for you, my intellectually impotent clown, when you have the actual cojones to admit how idiotic that your compadres were on 9/12, and what a bunch of ON THE RECORD hypocrits the GOP is on Grayson, then you'll be taken seriously.

Go Grayson.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
three cheers for Grassley....Congress to be required to have coverage by whatever plan they approve....

Senators debating health-care reform legislation have unanimously approved a proposal requiring members of Congress and their staffs to obtain health insurance through new state-based purchasing exchanges set up by the health-care reform bill under consideration. Lawmakers and their staffs could no longer buy health insurance through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program beginning in 2013 if the proposal survives the final health-care bill passed by Congress.
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2009/09/congressional_health_benefits.html

so, if Grayson is right, our Senators will be dying right along side us......
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A proposal that refers to a proposal. So BOTH have to go through the vetting process and become an actual BILL.

And if it should indeed become a bill and then a law, guess what? THEY COULD AFFORD IT. As it stands now, private industry is what's killing folk through denial and bureacracy...NOT a new state-based purchasing exchanges set up by the health-care reform bill under consideration.

So put your skirt down Nancy, and THINK it through before you type.

Grassley has the GOP's number...and you don't like it.
 
bravo said:
I see nothing wrong with "calling out" anyone on an issue.....using facts to counter what the others side claims or at least educated opinion to counter what the opposition says...

But this crap by Grayson is just that ... crap....
Claiming that anyone wants the sick to die quickly is nothing but a childish rant from a newbie asshole in Washington....
If he had some facts to state or an adult rebuttal of some Republican claim that would have been great....



There was no calling out...this was cheap, playground stunt....
There was no hysterical GOP response...their response was reasoned and the point made that Graysons claims were nonsense....

And I'm not surprised that the two biggest idiots on the site approve of Grayson's antics....not surprised at all....morons gravitate to other morons....
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According to a Harvard study, 44,000 uninsured and underinsured Americans die annually in this country because of insufficient funds to pay for their healthcare. We are the only "civilized" nation on earth that permits such a damnable situation. Any policy to either do nothing or not enough to correct the situation is murder. The do-nothing GOP always for-profit policy IS "Let them die", it's cheaper!
Grayson is correct and he's the only one with the guts to say it. I applaud him, a check is on the way.

Grayson went back on the floor to apologize................................to the people that have died as a result of our cruel and stupid system.
 
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Taichiliberal said:
A proposal that refers to a proposal. So BOTH have to go through the vetting process and become an actual BILL.

And if it should indeed become a bill and then a law, guess what? THEY COULD AFFORD IT. As it stands now, private industry is what's killing folk through denial and bureacracy...NOT a new state-based purchasing exchanges set up by the health-care reform bill under consideration.

So put your skirt down Nancy, and THINK it through before you type.

Grassley has the GOP's number...and you don't like it.
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???....Grassley has the GOP's number?....I expect so, since he's a Republican.....I'll be honest, I've not read the Senate's proposed health care plan.....but that was because the Democrats having been saying it was dead in the water....I expected someone to propose something new by now.....for some strange reason though, the Dems just keep working on the Baccus bill that no one admits to liking....

so tell me, what is it about the Baccus bill that makes it better than HR3200?......
 
belme1201 said:
According to a Harvard study, 44,000 uninsured and underinsured Americans die annually in this country because of insufficient funds to pay for their healthcare. We are the only "civilized" nation on earth that permits such a damnable situation. Any policy to either do nothing or not enough to correct the situation is murder. The do-nothing GOP always for-profit policy IS "Let them die", it's cheaper!
Grayson is correct and he's the only one with the guts to say it. I applaud him, a check is on the way.

Grayson went back on the floor to apologize................................to the people that have died as a result of our cruel and stupid system.
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so explain to me why the Dems don't simply provide health care reform that will cover the uninsured?.....why change health insurance for every man woman and child in the country?.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
so explain to me why the Dems don't simply provide health care reform that will cover the uninsured?.....why change health insurance for every man woman and child in the country?.....
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If it was only the House, that's just what what would be done for the uninsured AND the underinsured, maybe even eliminating the insurers and the idiotic employer-based system that is destroying the economy. HOWEVER, it's not up to the House alone.
(I'm happy to see you agree that the continuation of the status quo is equivalent to murder.)
 
bravo said:
I see nothing wrong with "calling out" anyone on an issue.....using facts to counter what the others side claims or at least educated opinion to counter what the opposition says...

But this crap by Grayson is just that ... crap....
Claiming that anyone wants the sick to die quickly is nothing but a childish rant from a newbie asshole in Washington....
If he had some facts to state or an adult rebuttal of some Republican claim that would have been great....



There was no calling out...this was cheap, playground stunt....
There was no hysterical GOP response...their response was reasoned and the point made that Graysons claims were nonsense....

And I'm not surprised that the two biggest idiots on the site approve of Grayson's antics....not surprised at all....morons gravitate to other morons....
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belme1201 said:
(I'm happy to see you agree that the continuation of the status quo is equivalent to murder.)
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and I'm sorry to see you fall back on juvenile debating tactics like all the other fucked up liberals.....

now, back to your analysis.....you are simple blind to HR3200....the biggest problem with the House plan was that it DIDN'T simply provide health insurance for those who couldn't afford it...if anything, the Senate plan is less an attempt to destroy what we already have....but then, that's precisely why you object to it more....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
and I'm sorry to see you fall back on juvenile debating tactics like all the other fucked up liberals.....

now, back to your analysis.....you are simple blind to HR3200....the biggest problem with the House plan was that it DIDN'T simply provide health insurance for those who couldn't afford it...if anything, the Senate plan is less an attempt to destroy what we already have....but then, that's precisely why you object to it more....
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15 years ago the GOP and their for-profit Healthcare pals killed any chance of a change in the system. In the time since, nothing has been done and 100s of thousands have died as a result. If that's not murder what is? Now the GOP is back in bed with the same gang and, if they get their way, once again nothing is going to change and the unnecessary death will continue. If that makes you happy or content, you have my sympathy.
 
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belme1201 said:
15 years ago the GOP and their for-profit Healthcare pals killed any chance of a change in the system. In the time since, nothing has been done and 100s of thousands have died as a result. If that's not murder what is? Now the GOP is back in bed with the same gang and, if they get their way, once again nothing is going to change and the unnecessary death will continue. If that makes you happy or content, you have my sympathy.
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The stupid, ridiculous claims seem to just get more stupid and more ridiculous as the thread goes on....
100s of thousands have died as a result of our healthcare system....

thats just an example of exasperating obtuseness and lack of comprehension to reality that it isn't worthy of a serious response....a parrot mouthing a phrase has the same understanding of its words as the idiot that make these outlandish claims....

I guess if a moron hears it enough times, it becomes the truth to them....

Consensus is a poor substitute for intelligent thought.....but to some, they will eat a pile of shit, reasoning, that 100 billion flies can't be wrong....
 
bravo said:
The stupid, ridiculous claims seem to just get more stupid and more ridiculous as the thread goes on....
100s of thousands have died as a result of our healthcare system....

thats just an example of exasperating obtuseness and lack of comprehension to reality that it isn't worthy of a serious response....a parrot mouthing a phrase has the same understanding of its words as the idiot that make these outlandish claims....

I guess if a moron hears it enough times, it becomes the truth to them....

Consensus is a poor substitute for intelligent thought.....but to some, they will eat a pile of shit, reasoning, that 100 billion flies can't be wrong....
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I know you didn't read the Harvard study, why would you? If it makes you more comfortable, I'll change it to tens of thousands, does that make it murder but to a lesser degree? Your meager attempts at insults merely reveal the shallowness of your character and are a sign of you having little of importance to say.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
A proposal that refers to a proposal. So BOTH have to go through the vetting process and become an actual BILL.

And if it should indeed become a bill and then a law, guess what? THEY COULD AFFORD IT. As it stands now, private industry is what's killing folk through denial and bureacracy...NOT a new state-based purchasing exchanges set up by the health-care reform bill under consideration.

So put your skirt down Nancy, and THINK it through before you type.

Grassley has the GOP's number...and you don't like it.
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PostmodernProphet said:
???....Grassley has the GOP's number?....I expect so, since he's a Republican..... Whoops, error.....it should read 'Grayson'. Carry on. I'll be honest, I've not read the Senate's proposed health care plan.....but that was because the Democrats having been saying it was dead in the water....I expected someone to propose something new by now.....for some strange reason though, the Dems just keep working on the Baccus bill that no one admits to liking.... Hmmm, so not only can you NOT refute my take on the source material YOU linked, but you admit you don't know EXACTLY what you're babbling about...and then you expand on that ignorance with more erroneous assertions. Both Dems and GOP are working on the Baccus bill.....some GOPers on the Hill have been lying about being out of the loop on all of these proposals, but the congressional record and obeservers tell a different tale.

so tell me, what is it about the Baccus bill that makes it better than HR3200?......
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Not so fast, bunky. First you acknowledge the validity of my deconstruction of your assertion based on your link. Then you acknowledge that Grayson was on the money. Or you can explain in detail using facts and logic to the contrary. After that, we discuss the Baccus bill.
 
Originally Posted by bravo
The stupid, ridiculous claims seem to just get more stupid and more ridiculous as the thread goes on....
100s of thousands have died as a result of our healthcare system....

thats just an example of exasperating obtuseness and lack of comprehension to reality that it isn't worthy of a serious response....a parrot mouthing a phrase has the same understanding of its words as the idiot that make these outlandish claims....

I guess if a moron hears it enough times, it becomes the truth to them....

Consensus is a poor substitute for intelligent thought.....but to some, they will eat a pile of shit, reasoning, that 100 billion flies can't be wrong....
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belme1201 said:
I know you didn't read the Harvard study, why would you? If it makes you more comfortable, I'll change it to tens of thousands, does that make it murder but to a lesser degree? Your meager attempts at insults merely reveal the shallowness of your character and are a sign of you having little of importance to say.
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How true.....note how both PMP and Bravo AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE the simple FACTS of people dying under the current system DUE TO INTENT, not accident by factions of the private health insurance system. Then they want to pretend that it's all the Dems' fault, the Dems have no real alternative, and that the GOP (along with Bluedog Dems) have been obstructionist to ANY serious alternative or reform.

Grayson has their number, and they don't like it.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Not so fast, bunky. First you acknowledge the validity of my deconstruction of your assertion based on your link. Then you acknowledge that Grayson was on the money. Or you can explain in detail using facts and logic to the contrary. After that, we discuss the Baccus bill.
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not a fucking chance....it's been obvious since I got here months ago that you NEVER know what you're talking about......show me some smarts before I acknowledge them....
 
Taichiliberal said:
How true.....note how both PMP and Bravo AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE the simple FACTS of people dying under the current system DUE TO INTENT, not accident by factions of the private health insurance system. Then they want to pretend that it's all the Dems' fault, the Dems have no real alternative, and that the GOP (along with Bluedog Dems) have been obstructionist to ANY serious alternative or reform.
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sorry, touchie....a "fact" from a simple mind is not a simple fact....it's still a fabrication.....
 
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