The FBI legalizes robbery for themselves

Dutch Uncle said:
What's made up, Fredo? You sling a lot of insults but you're the WSE supporter. You're the antisemitic. You're the racist scumbag. You're the hater cheering violence against the FBI, LW Americans, Jews, Blacks and everyone else you don't like.

Are you denying the truth of my comments?
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all of it. your whole schtick is fake news.
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Dutch Uncle said:
Are you seriously claiming that the FBI legalized robbery, Chief? Because if you are, then you aren't lying, you're just insane.

Your link doesn't mention the FBI legalizing anything. Probably because all sane, honest people know the FBI doesn't make the laws.

The good news, Chief, is that you have Matt Dillon and Grokmaster in your corner. :thup: LOL
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Yes, I am. The FBI is taking advantage of civil forfeiture laws to enrich themselves. Many law enforcement agencies do this. It is a horrifically unjust action by them too. Civil forfeiture laws were originally passed to allow law enforcement to confiscate and hold the ill-gotten gains of a criminal enterprise to keep them from using that money gained from a crime to defend themselves.
What it turned into was law enforcement using them for what amounted to fishing expeditions to enrich their agencies. The law enforcement would stop, interact with, etc., some person or business. They confiscate all of the wealth present. A typical case might be someone travelling with a large sum of cash for legitimate reasons. They then hold that wealth but don't bother to press charges.
In order to get their wealth back from the agency, the person or business must go to court and prove that the wealth was legitimate and legal. That can cost thousands of dollars to pursue while the law enforcement agency has government lawyers and such to defend them. Hell, they can even use the wealth they took from someone to defend themselves. The process can take months, even years, to get through. So, the vast majority of people just give up trying.

It amounts to legalized theft by law enforcement.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Yes, I am. The FBI is taking advantage of civil forfeiture laws to enrich themselves. Many law enforcement agencies do this. It is a horrifically unjust action by them too. Civil forfeiture laws were originally passed to allow law enforcement to confiscate and hold the ill-gotten gains of a criminal enterprise to keep them from using that money gained from a crime to defend themselves.
What it turned into was law enforcement using them for what amounted to fishing expeditions to enrich their agencies. The law enforcement would stop, interact with, etc., some person or business. They confiscate all of the wealth present. A typical case might be someone travelling with a large sum of cash for legitimate reasons. They then hold that wealth but don't bother to press charges.
In order to get their wealth back from the agency, the person or business must go to court and prove that the wealth was legitimate and legal. That can cost thousands of dollars to pursue while the law enforcement agency has government lawyers and such to defend them. Hell, they can even use the wealth they took from someone to defend themselves. The process can take months, even years, to get through. So, the vast majority of people just give up trying.

It amounts to legalized theft by law enforcement.
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Why do you do this? Are you a sock?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Yes, I am. The FBI is taking advantage of civil forfeiture laws to enrich themselves....
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Wow, Chief. Look how far you've sunk. You just confirmed that the FBI followed the law thus proving your title is false.

I won't call it a lie because I can now see that your anchor chains no longer touch bottom. Hopefully Tricare is providing you all the help you need, shipmate.

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AProudLefty said:
Why do you do this? Are you a sock?
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No, but you are either ignorant or oblivious on this subject.

If it’s an old car or a couple of thousand dollars, the aggrieved party may feel it’s not worth the greater cost of challenging the forfeiture in court. But the proceeds from such actions add up, totaling $4.5 billion in 2014, according to the Institute for Justice, a conservative nonprofit legal group. And there have been clear instances of mischief. One prosecutor used forfeiture funds to pay off his student loans. In February, a Christian rock band called Klo & Kweh Music Team was stopped for a broken tail light in Oklahoma. Sheriff’s deputies seized $53,234 because of a band member’s “inconsistent stories,” even though the money was made up of concert proceeds and donations meant for charities in Southeast Asia. Amid an outcry, including complaints from members of Congress, Muskogee County returned the money in May.

Civil forfeiture also creates perverse incentives for law enforcement. Cops might find it in their interest to patrol the westbound side of the highway because more cash travels that way, rather than patrol the eastbound side that attracts the illegal drugs they’re supposed to be stopping.
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https://www.governing.com/archive/g...illegal drugs they’re supposed to be stopping.

https://truthout.org/articles/cash-cops-how-civil-forfeiture-enriched-us-law-enforcement/

While officials often claim that civil asset forfeiture is used against drug dealers or others who are involved in serious crimes, they are much more likely to target low-income people and those who do not have the financial resources to challenge this type of seizure. One investigation found that the average amount seized by law enforcement is $1,276. In many cases, police departments keep the money or property seized through civil asset forfeiture for their own use, giving officers the incentive to confiscate cash or other valuable property whenever possible.
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https://www.connecticutcriminallawy...l-asset-forfeiture-to-seize-money-or-property

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/forfeiture-as-an-effective-law-enforcement-tool

It isn't just the FBI either

Depending on each state’s forfeiture laws, police can keep a percentage of the confiscated profits, and the remaining percent will go to the feds. Texas does not have a good reputation when it comes to civil forfeiture laws. The Justice Institute graded these laws in each state and gave Texas a D- because law enforcement agencies can keep up to 70% of forfeited assets.

If owners of the seized property want their items back, Texas’ laws require them to prove their innocence in the case. In fact, Texas averages $41.6 million in forfeitures each year.
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https://usdailyreview.com/policing-...low,the remaining percent will go to the feds.

https://fedsoc.org/commentary/publications/policing-for-profit-the-abuse-of-forfeiture-laws
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, but you are either ignorant or oblivious on this subject.


https://www.governing.com/archive/g...illegal drugs they’re supposed to be stopping.

https://truthout.org/articles/cash-cops-how-civil-forfeiture-enriched-us-law-enforcement/


https://www.connecticutcriminallawy...l-asset-forfeiture-to-seize-money-or-property

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/forfeiture-as-an-effective-law-enforcement-tool

It isn't just the FBI either


https://usdailyreview.com/policing-...low,the remaining percent will go to the feds.

https://fedsoc.org/commentary/publications/policing-for-profit-the-abuse-of-forfeiture-laws
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None of which prove you didn't lie in the OP title, shipmate.

Do I disagree with forfeiture laws? In some cases, yes, in some cases no. The OP mentions some people who lost property and/or money whose only "crime" as having over $5K in assets in their box. I want cases like their more closely examined...which is exactly what's happening.

Still not an excuse to foment hate and spread lies about the FBI, shipmate. You know as well as I do that liars are not condoned at any rank in the Navy.

If this was just once, it'd be one thing, but you have a pattern of supporting WSE propaganda and fomenting violence against US governments.
 
 
Dutch Uncle said:
None of which prove you didn't lie in the OP title, shipmate.

Do I disagree with forfeiture laws? In some cases, yes, in some cases no. The OP mentions some people who lost property and/or money whose only "crime" as having over $5K in assets in their box. I want cases like their more closely examined...which is exactly what's happening.

Still not an excuse to foment hate and spread lies about the FBI, shipmate. You know as well as I do that liars are not condoned at any rank in the Navy.
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Like I said, what would they want the FBI do in this case?
 
AProudLefty said:
Like I said, what would they want the FBI do in this case?
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That's a logical question expecting a logical reply from WSE supporters and the Qless.

I'd bet against getting anything resembling a logical reply or an apology for lying. This isn't the first time he's lied in a title and that I've called him on it.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
None of which prove you didn't lie in the OP title, shipmate.

Do I disagree with forfeiture laws? In some cases, yes, in some cases no. The OP mentions some people who lost property and/or money whose only "crime" as having over $5K in assets in their box. I want cases like their more closely examined...which is exactly what's happening.

Still not an excuse to foment hate and spread lies about the FBI, shipmate. You know as well as I do that liars are not condoned at any rank in the Navy.

If this was just once, it'd be one thing, but you have a pattern of supporting WSE propaganda and fomenting violence against US governments.
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My view is it shouldn't have happened to begin with. If the FBI had specific knowledge of a crime and who committed it, they would be justified in getting a warrant for that specific person's safety deposit box and opening it. That's not what they did. They went on a fishing expedition and looted that company's safety deposit boxes indiscriminately.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
My view is it shouldn't have happened to begin with. If the FBI had specific knowledge of a crime and who committed it, they would be justified in getting a warrant for that specific person's safety deposit box and opening it. That's not what they did. They went on a fishing expedition and looted that company's safety deposit boxes indiscriminately.
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So you lied because you are unhappy. Got it. What's most interesting to me is that you are pushing WSE ideology because you are unhappy....and not for the first time either.

T. A. Gardner said:
The FBI legalizes robbery for themselves

https://www.latimes.com/california/...-hills-safe-deposit-box-raid-forfeiture-judge

So, if the FBI can make up shit to get warrants to spy on a presidential candidate, can loot a safety deposit company at will, make up search warrants out of thin air, why should any reasonable person believe that they aren't doing all sorts of other criminal shit too?
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T. A. Gardner said:
My view is it shouldn't have happened to begin with. If the FBI had specific knowledge of a crime and who committed it, they would be justified in getting a warrant for that specific person's safety deposit box and opening it. That's not what they did. They went on a fishing expedition and looted that company's safety deposit boxes indiscriminately.
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So what do you want them to do?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
What's made up, Fredo? You sling a lot of insults but you're the WSE supporter. You're the antisemitic. You're the racist scumbag. You're the hater cheering violence against the FBI, LW Americans, Jews, Blacks and everyone else you don't like.

Are you denying the truth of my comments?
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Almost all of your thoughts every day, you stupid fuck! You are a serious oblivious retard, motherfucker! You are Stoo-pid! With a capital S!

"Antisemitic"? Really? How so, douchnozzle?
 
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Matt Dillon said:
Almost all of your thoughts every day, you stupid fuck! You are a serious oblivious retard, motherfucker! You are Stoo-pid! With a capital S!

"Antisemitic"? Really? How so, douchnozzle?
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Is that why you want to put a .270 through my head at 200 yards, Matt?
 
Matt Dillon said:
You can have whatever you want at your end, but ..that'd be ok! You will be armed , and you must shoot first.

That way when I nail you it's justified.
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Nice backpedal from your previous statements, Matt. Did the Local PD stop by your facility? Caution everyone about making violent statements online? LOL
 
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