Most of the past ten thousand years hotter than today.

[Into the Night]

Obviously, Kirchoff's law preserves Stefan B and allows the 2nd of law of thermodynamics to not be broken.

In an isolated system, the exchange of heat between two radiant heat sources will eventually result in a temperature equilibrium between the two. Thus the 2nd law of Therm is preserved.

However, there is no 'net heat'. Heat only flows from hot to cold. A colder object is not a heat source.

 

[Into the Night]

Without knowing the base rate, you can not prove there is a base rate fallacy. You are guessing.

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Read my previous post on this again.
The fallacy occurs when you claim a base rate that does not exist. When you do so, YOU are guessing. Inversion fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

A photon is a type of radiation.

A photon is a particle. Is it not radiation. See Heisenberg's law.

 

[Bigdog]

However, there is no 'net heat'. Heat only flows from hot to cold. A colder object is not a heat source.

In radiant heating, the colder object does emit heat, ... just not as much as the hotter object. Because of Kirchoff's law, it does not cause the hotter object to become even hotter. Thus the 2nd law of Therm is preserved.

 

[Bigdog]

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Read my previous post on this again.
The fallacy occurs when you claim a base rate that does not exist. When you do so, YOU are guessing. Inversion fallacy.

I did not claim a base rate, you did when you invoked the base rate fallacy.

 

[Bigdog]

A photon is a particle. Is it not radiation. See Heisenberg's law.

Heisenberg law does not disprove the fact that photons are a type of radiation.

You have not proved that the record numbers are random.

You have not proved that photons are not radiation.

You have not proved that there is a base rate fallacy.

You have not proved that a cold object can not emit radiant heat in the direction of a warmer object.

 

[Yakuda]

Heisenberg law does not disprove the fact that photons are a type of radiation.

You have not proved that the record numbers are random.

You have not proved that photons are not radiation.

You have not proved that there is a base rate fallacy.

You have not proved that a cold object can not emit radiant heat in the direction of a warmer object.

That poster never claimed a colder object could emit radiant heat in the direction of a warmer object. In fact that poster said exactly the opposite. This is why I don't trust you people with this climate stuff. You can't even accurately relate what someone on a web site says but we're supposed to believe you can accurately relate more complicated data?????? I am amazed at how often you people think you function in a vacuum. People can see what you're posting yuy get that right?

 

[Bigdog]

That poster never claimed a colder object could emit radiant heat in the direction of a warmer object. In fact that poster said exactly the opposite. This is why I don't trust you people with this climate stuff. You can't even accurately relate what someone on a web site says but we're supposed to believe you can accurately relate more complicated data?????? I am amazed at how often you people think you function in a vacuum. People can see what you're posting yuy get that right?

I said ...

"You have not proved that a cold object can not emit radiant heat in the direction of a warmer object."

 

[Into the Night]

In radiant heating, the colder object does emit heat, ... just not as much as the hotter object.

Heat is not light. Heat is not contained in anything. There is no such thing as 'net heat'.

Because of Kirchoff's law, it does not cause the hotter object to become even hotter. Thus the 2nd law of Therm is preserved.

Kirchoff's law is not in play here. Strawman fallacy. Causation fallacy.

 

[Yakuda]

I said ...

"You have not proved that a cold object can not emit radiant heat in the direction of a warmer object."

He doesn't have to drive it the laws of thermodynamics do.

 

[Into the Night]

I did not claim a base rate, you did when you invoked the base rate fallacy.

Lie. You claimed a base rate. There isn't one. I didn't make the fallacy. YOU did.

 

[Into the Night]

Heisenberg law does not disprove the fact that photons are a type of radiation.

Yes it does. A photon is not radiation. It is a particle.

You have not proved that the record numbers are random.

There is no record. You are quoting made up numbers. That is a random number of type randU.

You have not proved that photons are not radiation.

Photons are a particle. They are not radiation. Redefinition fallacy.

You have not proved that there is a base rate fallacy.

You are now attempting to deny your own argument??????!?

You have not proved that a cold object can not emit radiant heat in the direction of a warmer object.

See the 2nd law of thermodynamics and Planck's laws. Heat is not emitted. Heat is not contained in anything. You cannot heat a warmer object with a colder one.

 

[Into the Night]

He doesn't have to drive it the laws of thermodynamics do.

Exactly. He is simply trying to discard the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics. He apparently has no understanding of what 'heat' is either, which is defined by the 2nd law of thermodynamics. He also continually confuses thermal energy with light. He is also asking for a proof of a theory of science, which is not possible. No theory of any kind can be proven True. Theories of science can't just be discarded either. As long a theory of science can withstand tests designed to destroy it, the theory is automatically part of the body of science and will remain so until it is falsified. A theory of science stands on it's own.

 

[Bigdog]

He doesn't have to prove it the laws of thermodynamics do.

And Kirchoff's law preserves the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

 

[Into the Night]

I said ...

"You have not proved that a cold object can not emit radiant heat in the direction of a warmer object."

Learn what heat is.
No, you cannot just discard the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

 

[Bigdog]

Learn what heat is.
No, you cannot just discard the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Radiant heat is thermal radiation.

Kirchoff's law preserves the 2nd law of therm.

 

[Yakuda]

And Kirchoff's law preserves the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Look if one thing is 100 degrees and another is 50 degrees they will they will both become 75 degrees. Cold doesn't go to heat

 

[Into the Night]

Radiant heat is thermal radiation.

There is no such thing as 'thermal radiation'. You cannot heat a warmer object with a colder one.

Kirchoff's law preserves the 2nd law of therm.

It has nothing to do with it. Strawman fallacy. You are discarding the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

 

[Into the Night]

Look if one thing is 100 degrees and another is 50 degrees they will they will both become 75 degrees. Cold doesn't go to heat

Correct, assuming equal mass.

 

[Bigdog]

There is no such thing as 'thermal radiation'. You cannot heat a warmer object with a colder one.

It has nothing to do with it. Strawman fallacy. You are discarding the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

I'll trust M.I.T. over your declarations, Parrot.

" Radiation Heat Transfer (Heat transfer by thermal radiation)
All bodies radiate energy in the form of photons moving in a random direction, with random phase and frequency. When radiated photons reach another surface, they may either be absorbed, reflected or transmitted. The behavior of a surface with radiation incident upon it can be described by the following quantities:

$ \alpha$ = absorptance - fraction of incident radiation absorbed
$ \rho$ = reflectance - fraction of incident radiation reflected
$ \tau$ = transmittance - fraction of incident radiation transmitted."

https://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node133.html

And Kirchoff's law prevents the heating of the hotter object. The hotter object does not get hotter when exchanging radiant heat with a colder object.