Most of the past ten thousand years hotter than today.

McRocket said:
No.
I assume it will get worse - if everything stays as is.
But I do not believe it is as remotely as bad as the gloom and doomers say.

1) like Bernie Sanders:

'Sanders said, “We don’t have decades. What the scientists are telling us, if we don’t get our act together within the next eight or nine years, we’re talking about cities all over the world, major cities going underwater. We’re talking about increased drought. We’re talking about increased extreme weather disturbances. The United Nations is telling us that in the years to come, there are going to be hundreds of millions of climate refugees causing national security issues all over the world.”'

https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/1...-cities-are-underwater-due-to-climate-change/


2) I remember in the 1990's?
French scientists were saying that the Maldives WILL be underwater in 20-30 years.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/21/maldives-global-warming-sea-level/
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/102074798

Well...they aren't.
At all!!!
https://www.google.com/maps/place/M...8ad8e99b5a051299!8m2!3d4.1754959!4d73.5093474



3) saying it is an 'emergency' and other blather like that.
Without offering HARD EVIDENCE that what they are saying WILL - for certain - come to pass.
Is ridiculous.


Besides.
You don't 'fight' climate change with more tax dollars or more laws.

You inform the masses of THE FACTS.
And let the people take personal steps to pollute less (if they wish).
Or to not support corporations who pollute unnecessarily.

But trying to force people to do 'this' and 'that'.
Whilst threatening to take trillions of their tax dollars (around the world) to 'fight', climate change is WRONG and silly.
It has not worked and it will NOT work.
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No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. See the 1st law of thermodynamics.
 
Grokmaster said:
No, it has not. We are not rapidly warming, (nowhere near as quickly as 15,000=25,000 years ago) nor are the seas rapidly rising.


What are these mysterious signs The Gaia has sent you?
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It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. Making up numbers from 15000 to 25000 years ago is just making up numbers. Argument from randU fallacy.
 
Bigdog said:
No. We are currently in an Ice Age that consists of glacial and interglacial periods. We are currently in a warm or interglacial period. The blue line in the chart below (Vostok Ice Core data) indicates temperature changes.

Vostok-ice-core-petit.png


While in pop culture, we commonly refer to only the last glaciation period as The Ice Age, ... that limited usage is not scientifically correct terminology. And while the chart only shows 4 glaciation periods and 5 interglacials, we've had about 20 glaciation cycles over the last 2 million years.
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It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth, the global atmospheric CO2 concentration, or the global atmospheric dust concentration.
Argument from randU fallacies.

Math errors are not science.
 
Bigdog said:
Furthermore, we are in what is known as an Icehouse Earth. The last time the Earth was this cold was 260 million years ago. The most relevant time period for us is the 600 million year long phanerozoic eon (see chart below), the eon in which complex life has existed.
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It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. Argument from randU fallacies.
 
moon said:
Hard to believe that you Denier boys are still trying to sell your shit.

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Still, you're committed now. No Damascene Conversions for you.



Haw, haw................................haw.
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Still pushing your religion, eh? Why do you keep posting pictures of yourself?
 
Into the Night said:
It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. Making up numbers from 15000 to 25000 years ago is just making up numbers. Argument from randU fallacy.
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There are many indicators as to regional temperatures over geological time, you poor, brain dead, attention-seeking addlepate.


Haw, haw...................................haw.
 
Truth Detector said:
How does one measure the temperature of the earth? Temperatures widely vary all over the planet on any given moment. How does one derive the "temperature". It's something the global warming cult never gets asked. If you think one can just average it out, that too is false.
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I do believe that temperature is the most difficult property to measure, and the best we can do is estimates. And I believe that the ocean total heat content has even more unknowns and is tremendously fudged. Furthermore, comparing proxy data to instrument data is unscientific. Climate science is very poorly understood, contrary to popular leftist propaganda.

However we do measure the temps of other planets and moons, where we use planet temp averages and ranges.
 
Truth Detector said:
Yes, and warming. There have been five significant ice ages throughout the Earth’s history according to scientists: the Huronian (2.4-2.1 billion years ago), Cryogenian (850-635 million years ago), Andean-Saharan (460-430 mya), Karoo (360-260 mya) and Quaternary (2.6 mya-present).

And there have been warming events. ALL long before man and his gas engines. You're starting to see the light snowflake.
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Excellent info, thanks for posting this. :thup:
 
Truth Detector said:
How does one measure the temperature of the earth? Temperatures widely vary all over the planet on any given moment. How does one derive the "temperature". It's something the global warming cult never gets asked. If you think one can just average it out, that too is false.
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Absolutely correct.

At best, the temperature of the Earth can only be stated as the result of a statistical summary. To conduct such a summary, a few rules of math MUST be followed:

* The variance must be declared and justified.
* The tolerances of the instruments used (if any) must be published.
* The alignment method of the instruments used (if any) must be published.
* The raw data used must be unbiased. You cannot use cooked data. The method of collecting the data itself must be unbiased. It also must be published. (See the Data Mine portion at Politiplex in my sig).
* The margin of error must be calculated and must accompany the summary.
* The data must be selected by randN (like picking from a deck of cards).
* The selected set must be normalized.
* The summary itself results in two numbers, not one. The averaged value, and the margin of error. One is completely meaningless without the other.

Note that a different result on the SAME DATA should another summary be run.

There are two biasing factors in the thermometers used (the larger set of thermometers is used by NASA, some 7500 of them): location bias, and time bias.

These thermometers are located near populated areas (thermometers must be serviced from time to time). They are always near a road. This produces a bias in location. To eliminate this bias, thermometers MUST be uniformly placed.
These thermometers are not read at the same time by the same authority. Since air and water (and land!) move, storms move, the Sun moves across the sky and only half the Earth is in daylight at any given time, this introduces a time bias. To eliminate it, thermometers MUST be read by the same authority at the same time.

Assuming these are satisfied, you can now collect unbiased raw data. The margin of error, however, is what really kills it.

Temperature has been known to vary by as much as 20 deg F per mile. This can easily be seen as the result of weather fronts, mountain wave compression effects, transition of type of terrain, etc.

The Earth has a surface area of approximately 197,000,000 square miles. This is only the surface, not the atmosphere nor the interior, nor even anything under the surface of any sea or ocean. 7500 thermometers uniformly spread over this area results in one thermometer for an area about the size of the entire State of West Virginia. The resulting margin of error is greater than the highest and lowest temperatures ever measured on the surface of Earth, so they become the limiting factor.

In other words, mathematically, anyone claiming to know the temperature of Earth's surface is guessing. This type of number is made up literally in their head. This is actually a type of random number (the so-called 'psuedo random number') known as a randU. These idiots than compound the problem by stating temperatures of Earth from thousands of years ago. ANY such chart of numbers are simply made up.
 
Truth Detector said:
Yes, and warming. There have been five significant ice ages throughout the Earth’s history according to scientists: the Huronian (2.4-2.1 billion years ago), Cryogenian (850-635 million years ago), Andean-Saharan (460-430 mya), Karoo (360-260 mya) and Quaternary (2.6 mya-present).

And there have been warming events. ALL long before man and his gas engines. You're starting to see the light snowflake.
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Actually, this too is a religion. It is unknown whether Earth had any ice ages at all. It is not possible to describe a 'warming' or 'cooling' without measuring the temperature of the Earth twice. To do so creates what is called a base rate fallacy.
 
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