"Don't go to college, go to a trade school"

Cypress said:
I knew a couple 22 year old history majors who had to take construction and painting jobs after graduating, and before they could really get on track with professional careers.

That's why pointing to the 22 year old philosophy grad working at Starbucks is a ridiculous to supposedly prove how worthless a humanities degree is. You have to take into account what those people did professionally over the long term, into their 30s, 40s, and 50s.
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My best friend has a brother that has a Phd in History from UT and worked at 7-11 and now he builds historically accurate crossbows. He sells them all over the world mostly to museums for displays.
 
christiefan915 said:
These are the same people who criticized AOC for temporarily working as a bartender after college to help her financially-strapped mother.
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Nice story. You mean the same AOC who let her own grandma live in a house with a collapsing roof . She did that while she wore $1000 suits and driving an expensive Tesla and earning $174,000
 
BidenPresident said:
No. The issue is whether people would change what they did as far as a major.
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That seems to be only part of the study you referenced.

But...that's my argument in this thread...the need to end useless degrees for people who aren't 'privileged'. If you have rich parents (Romney suggested 'getting a loan from parents), then study whatever you wish.

Otherwise, it's a good idea to be more selective IF you insist on higher education
 
LV426 said:
Vo-tech is the third highest regretful "degree", only a couple points behind humanities and social sciences.

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yet. useless degress are still lower.

:truestory:
 
Cypress said:
I knew a couple 22 year old history majors who had to take construction and painting jobs after graduating, and before they could really get on track with professional careers.

That's why pointing to the 22 year old philosophy grad working at Starbucks is a ridiculous to supposedly prove how worthless a humanities degree is. You have to take into account what those people did professionally over the long term, into their 30s, 40s, and 50s.
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Whereas this has become common, it shouldn't be.

Working min wage jobs while paying off student debt is not what guidance counselors promise students when they are deciding on a major
 
Althea said:
Whereas this has become common, it shouldn't be.

Working min wage jobs while paying off student debt is not what guidance counselors promise students when they are deciding on a major
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Student loan programs have a grace period so graduates do not have to be totally stressed out about having a full time job the day after graduation

My experience is that lenders will work with you to formulate an achievable payment schedule if you have not yet nailed down a high paying fulltime white collar job.

There are numerous reasons a 22 year old philosophy grad might be working at Starbucks. They might be waiting to apply for grad school. They might be planning to enroll in a teaching credential program. They might have taken the LSAT and are enrolled in law school. They might be the type of person that's waiting for the right kind of professional job to pan out, not willing to take just any old full time job.

This is why if I see a 22 year old philosophy grad working at Starbucks, my mind does not automatically assume their degree was utterly worthless.
 
Althea said:
The moment you use the term, you are dismissed from the discussion.

You prove that you are a moron. And that you are intimidated by anyone who is able to think outside of the box.
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here we go. another leftist tactic to avoid issues.............no longer discussing WOKE.............just like anything older than 5 days is ancient history.....ROFL

this is how the left is going to lose.........
 
Theywillneverlearn! said:
The average union tradesman in Boston makes over $ 120.00 an hour with benefits
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Will need to see this source because:

Tradesmen salary for this skilled occupation annually averaged ​$54,200​, or ​$26.06​ an hour. The best paid 10 percent could earn ​$87,410​ or more annually, while the lowest paid 10 percent earned ​$31,200​ or less.
https://work.chron.com/typical-wage-tradesman-9225.html

National Average $49,758/year
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Jobs/Union-Tradesman
 
Althea said:
Drive and work ethic will make you just as 'rich' as someone with a BA.
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Very few people get rich being a welder or an oceanographer.

Not everyone has the inclination to attend and graduate college, and there's nothing wrong with that. We need an economy that works for them too. My mother said the world needs bus drivers too, and its a shame a lot of our manufacturing base was outsourced to low wage countries.
 
Althea said:
I don't think you can use this method for your analysis. You are taking the average wage of individual vocations, and then comparing them to EVERY field in the world. Including hedge fund managers, doctors/lawyers, etc...
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I just used the most popular trade jobs that exploiters try to push people towards...those are the jobs that come from trade school, and none of them have average wages that are equal to or greater than the national average.


Granted, your averages are for employees, not self employed people. BUT, an associate in a law firm wallows in a low paying position for many years before they make good money...and they have a mountain of debt.
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Right, but because of their degree their lifetime earning potential is substantially higher than that of a plumber or electrician, even if they are self-employed.
 
Cypress said:
Very few people get rich being a welder or an oceanographer.

Not everyone has the inclination to attend and graduate college, and there's nothing wrong with that. We need an economy that works for them too. My mother said the world needs bus drivers too, and its a shame a lot of our manufacturing base was outsourced to low wage countries.
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The most major thing about having a college degree vs. not is lifetime earning potential.

Someone with a PHD is going to have a higher lifetime earning potential than someone with a Master's, who will have a higher lifetime earning potential than someone with a Bachelor's, who will have a higher earning potential than someone with just a HS diploma or GED.
 
Althea said:
That seems to be only part of the study you referenced.

But...that's my argument in this thread...the need to end useless degrees for people who aren't 'privileged'. If you have rich parents (Romney suggested 'getting a loan from parents), then study whatever you wish.

Otherwise, it's a good idea to be more selective IF you insist on higher education
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The vast majority of people who went to college are glad they went. No one regrets it. Sorry!
 
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