Remoaners bemoan the state of Brexit but it's the EU that's screwed

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Remainers continue to bemoan the supposedly sad state of Brexit Britain. They have a point. Even many true Brexiteer believers admit that, so far, it has hardly lived up to what was promised.

But if these same Remainers cast an honest eye across the Channel to their beloved European Union, they’d soon realise it is in an even worse state than we are.

Not that this is any great consolation. Six years after that famous Brexit referendum, the EU remains by far our biggest export market for our goods and services. If things go wrong there, they go wrong here. And the EU is about to go very badly wrong.

It is now on the brink of recession and another Eurozone currency crisis looms. It’s a double whammy that will be all the more painful and prolonged because of President Putin’s mounting blackmail over Russian energy supplies, which threatens to condemn Europe’s major economies to a slump.

Of course, the EU has survived setbacks in the past from the first Eurozone crisis in 2011-12 to the migrant crisis of 2015.

But not without great economic pain (including mass unemployment among young folk) and much political disruption.

Now it faces the biggest crisis of all at a time when it is entirely bereft of leadership. Its much-vaunted unity in the face of adversity will be tested to the limit. It’s already beginning to crack.

The European Central Bank belatedly increased interest rates this week for the first time in 11 years, way behind the Bank of England and the U.S. Federal Reserve, both of which have been raising rates for some time now. It is too little, too late.

The euro has already slumped to parity with the dollar and Eurozone inflation averages 8.6 per cent and rising (it’s now 10 per cent in Spain, 12 per cent in Greece and 20 per cent in Estonia).

Much of the EU is in the grip of stagflation. As inflation soars, growth in the three biggest economies — Germany, France and Italy — has slowed or stalled.

Of course, the EU has survived setbacks in the past from the first Eurozone crisis in 2011-12 to the migrant crisis of 2015.

But not without great economic pain (including mass unemployment among young folk) and much political disruption.

Now it faces the biggest crisis of all at a time when it is entirely bereft of leadership. Its much-vaunted unity in the face of adversity will be tested to the limit. It’s already beginning to crack.

The European Central Bank belatedly increased interest rates this week for the first time in 11 years, way behind the Bank of England and the U.S. Federal Reserve, both of which have been raising rates for some time now. It is too little, too late.

The euro has already slumped to parity with the dollar and Eurozone inflation averages 8.6 per cent and rising (it’s now 10 per cent in Spain, 12 per cent in Greece and 20 per cent in Estonia).

Much of the EU is in the grip of stagflation. As inflation soars, growth in the three biggest economies — Germany, France and Italy — has slowed or stalled.

Germany is run by an unstable, inexperienced coalition of social democrats, greens and liberals headed by Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who looks and sounds if he would be more at home managing the high-street branch of your local bank
A full-blown downturn beckons, especially if Putin turns off the Russian gas taps.

He’s already closed down one major pipeline and this week he reopened another that had been closed for maintenance, but at only a trickle.

The EU is already talking about energy rationing, with industry taking the brunt of the shortages. In Germany, rationing could be a reality before the Christmas trees go up.

Huge swathes of German industry would have to close or go on part-time working. Europe’s economic powerhouse would grind to a halt — and with it the rest of Europe.

The continent’s political leadership is in no state to deal with these challenges. Germany is run by an unstable, inexperienced coalition of social democrats, greens and liberals headed by Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who looks and sounds if he would be more at home managing the high-street branch of your local bank.

Emmanuel Macron appears destined to see out his second term as a lame-duck president now that the French parliament is being held hostage by forces from the far Right and far Left. Italy has resorted to its default position of not being run by anybody. Mario Draghi, its technocratic prime minister — a former president of the European Central Bank (ECB) — has resigned over coalition squabbles.

Fresh elections are scheduled for the end of September, when those expected to do best are the hard-Right League and the far-Right Brothers of Italy.

The League is led by Matteo Salvini, who has praised Putin as a statesman and was once photographed in Red Square with Putin’s image on his T-shirt.

The Brothers of Italy is descended from Mussolini’s fascists. It is also, according to the latest polls, currently Italy’s most popular party. Both parties are replete with Putin-lovers.

Those who think the threat of Right-wing nativist-nationalist populists with a penchant for the Kremlin is over in Europe have another thing coming. Inflation can do strange, unpleasant things to democratic policies — and inflation has only started to bite.

The latest political crisis in Italy could easily trigger a second Eurozone crisis.

The ECB (under German pressure) is now winding back its printing of money, which means it cannot so easily buy up the massive sovereign debt Rome issues every year.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11040599/ANDREW-NEIL-EU-thats-staring-abyss.html
 
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Remainers continue to bemoan the supposedly sad state of Brexit Britain. They have a point. Even many true Brexiteer believers admit that, so far, it has hardly lived up to what was promised.

But if these same Remainers cast an honest eye across the Channel to their beloved European Union, they’d soon realise it is in an even worse state than we are.

Not that this is any great consolation. Six years after that famous Brexit referendum, the EU remains by far our biggest export market for our goods and services. If things go wrong there, they go wrong here. And the EU is about to go very badly wrong.

It is now on the brink of recession and another Eurozone currency crisis looms. It’s a double whammy that will be all the more painful and prolonged because of President Putin’s mounting blackmail over Russian energy supplies, which threatens to condemn Europe’s major economies to a slump.

Of course, the EU has survived setbacks in the past from the first Eurozone crisis in 2011-12 to the migrant crisis of 2015.

But not without great economic pain (including mass unemployment among young folk) and much political disruption.

Now it faces the biggest crisis of all at a time when it is entirely bereft of leadership. Its much-vaunted unity in the face of adversity will be tested to the limit. It’s already beginning to crack.

The European Central Bank belatedly increased interest rates this week for the first time in 11 years, way behind the Bank of England and the U.S. Federal Reserve, both of which have been raising rates for some time now. It is too little, too late.

The euro has already slumped to parity with the dollar and Eurozone inflation averages 8.6 per cent and rising (it’s now 10 per cent in Spain, 12 per cent in Greece and 20 per cent in Estonia).

Much of the EU is in the grip of stagflation. As inflation soars, growth in the three biggest economies — Germany, France and Italy — has slowed or stalled.

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Europe, slumping towards the New Chinese Empire, for many reasons including the lack of competent leadership.
 
Primavera said:
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Remainers continue to bemoan the supposedly sad state of Brexit Britain. They have a point. Even many true Brexiteer believers admit that, so far, it has hardly lived up to what was promised.

But if these same Remainers cast an honest eye across the Channel to their beloved European Union, they’d soon realise it is in an even worse state than we are.

Not that this is any great consolation. Six years after that famous Brexit referendum, the EU remains by far our biggest export market for our goods and services. If things go wrong there, they go wrong here. And the EU is about to go very badly wrong.

It is now on the brink of recession and another Eurozone currency crisis looms. It’s a double whammy that will be all the more painful and prolonged because of President Putin’s mounting blackmail over Russian energy supplies, which threatens to condemn Europe’s major economies to a slump.

Of course, the EU has survived setbacks in the past from the first Eurozone crisis in 2011-12 to the migrant crisis of 2015.

But not without great economic pain (including mass unemployment among young folk) and much political disruption.

Now it faces the biggest crisis of all at a time when it is entirely bereft of leadership. Its much-vaunted unity in the face of adversity will be tested to the limit. It’s already beginning to crack.

The European Central Bank belatedly increased interest rates this week for the first time in 11 years, way behind the Bank of England and the U.S. Federal Reserve, both of which have been raising rates for some time now. It is too little, too late.

The euro has already slumped to parity with the dollar and Eurozone inflation averages 8.6 per cent and rising (it’s now 10 per cent in Spain, 12 per cent in Greece and 20 per cent in Estonia).

Much of the EU is in the grip of stagflation. As inflation soars, growth in the three biggest economies — Germany, France and Italy — has slowed or stalled.

Of course, the EU has survived setbacks in the past from the first Eurozone crisis in 2011-12 to the migrant crisis of 2015.

But not without great economic pain (including mass unemployment among young folk) and much political disruption.

Now it faces the biggest crisis of all at a time when it is entirely bereft of leadership. Its much-vaunted unity in the face of adversity will be tested to the limit. It’s already beginning to crack.

The European Central Bank belatedly increased interest rates this week for the first time in 11 years, way behind the Bank of England and the U.S. Federal Reserve, both of which have been raising rates for some time now. It is too little, too late.

The euro has already slumped to parity with the dollar and Eurozone inflation averages 8.6 per cent and rising (it’s now 10 per cent in Spain, 12 per cent in Greece and 20 per cent in Estonia).

Much of the EU is in the grip of stagflation. As inflation soars, growth in the three biggest economies — Germany, France and Italy — has slowed or stalled.

Germany is run by an unstable, inexperienced coalition of social democrats, greens and liberals headed by Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who looks and sounds if he would be more at home managing the high-street branch of your local bank
A full-blown downturn beckons, especially if Putin turns off the Russian gas taps.

He’s already closed down one major pipeline and this week he reopened another that had been closed for maintenance, but at only a trickle.

The EU is already talking about energy rationing, with industry taking the brunt of the shortages. In Germany, rationing could be a reality before the Christmas trees go up.

Huge swathes of German industry would have to close or go on part-time working. Europe’s economic powerhouse would grind to a halt — and with it the rest of Europe.

The continent’s political leadership is in no state to deal with these challenges. Germany is run by an unstable, inexperienced coalition of social democrats, greens and liberals headed by Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who looks and sounds if he would be more at home managing the high-street branch of your local bank.

Emmanuel Macron appears destined to see out his second term as a lame-duck president now that the French parliament is being held hostage by forces from the far Right and far Left. Italy has resorted to its default position of not being run by anybody. Mario Draghi, its technocratic prime minister — a former president of the European Central Bank (ECB) — has resigned over coalition squabbles.

Fresh elections are scheduled for the end of September, when those expected to do best are the hard-Right League and the far-Right Brothers of Italy.

The League is led by Matteo Salvini, who has praised Putin as a statesman and was once photographed in Red Square with Putin’s image on his T-shirt.

The Brothers of Italy is descended from Mussolini’s fascists. It is also, according to the latest polls, currently Italy’s most popular party. Both parties are replete with Putin-lovers.

Those who think the threat of Right-wing nativist-nationalist populists with a penchant for the Kremlin is over in Europe have another thing coming. Inflation can do strange, unpleasant things to democratic policies — and inflation has only started to bite.

The latest political crisis in Italy could easily trigger a second Eurozone crisis.

The ECB (under German pressure) is now winding back its printing of money, which means it cannot so easily buy up the massive sovereign debt Rome issues every year.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11040599/ANDREW-NEIL-EU-thats-staring-abyss.html
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That odious woman Nasty P. Lousy can't stop sticking her fucking nose in where it's not wanted.

Sticking knife in AGAIN!' Pelosi 'parrots lies' while meddling in hated Brexit deal

Nancy Pelosi has been criticised for "parroting lies" and meddling in a row over a hated post-Brexit deal.

The UK Government has been working with Brussels officials to come to an agreement over the Northern Ireland Protocol for approaching two years. Talks have stalled on countless occasions, particularly on the aspect of the treaty which requires goods moving between Great Britain and Northern Ireland (that is, from one part of the UK to another) to undergo checks.

America has waded into the row on more than one occasion, with the House of Representatives Speaker earlier this year describing UK plans to tear up the Protocol under a bill introduced by Liz Truss as “deeply concerning” and threatening to cut off the possibility of a US-UK free trade deal.

Mrs Pelosi yesterday decided one intervention was not enough, and doubled down on her claim that such a deal would be taken off the table if the UK choses to “undermine the Good Friday Agreement”.

She yesterday met with Sinn Fein Vice President Michelle O’Neill to discuss the Protocol.

Following their meeting, Mrs O’Neill wrote in a post on Twitter: “As I get ready to head back to Ireland, it was a great pleasure to meet up with the most influential woman on Capitol Hill, Speaker of the house, Nancy Pelosi.

“As it happens the Protocol also breaches the Belfast Agreement. That agreement promotes East/ West relations equally alongside North/ South ones.

“The Irish Sea border is an affront to the Belfast Agreement.

“I would direct Nancy Pelosi to read that agreement before she again admonishes the UK for ‘threatening the Protocol and therefore the Belfast Agreement’.

“But, of course, she knows full well what the Belfast Agreement says.”

The Brexit Watch Chairman added: “It suits her to ignore the facts and instead to parrot Sinn Fein’s lines.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...k-Northern-Ireland-Protocol-sticking-knife-in
 
Primavera said:
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Remainers continue to bemoan the supposedly sad state of Brexit Britain. They have a point. Even many true Brexiteer believers admit that, so far, it has hardly lived up to what was promised.

But if these same Remainers cast an honest eye across the Channel to their beloved European Union, they’d soon realise it is in an even worse state than we are.

Not that this is any great consolation. Six years after that famous Brexit referendum, the EU remains by far our biggest export market for our goods and services. If things go wrong there, they go wrong here. And the EU is about to go very badly wrong.

It is now on the brink of recession and another Eurozone currency crisis looms. It’s a double whammy that will be all the more painful and prolonged because of President Putin’s mounting blackmail over Russian energy supplies, which threatens to condemn Europe’s major economies to a slump.

Of course, the EU has survived setbacks in the past from the first Eurozone crisis in 2011-12 to the migrant crisis of 2015.

But not without great economic pain (including mass unemployment among young folk) and much political disruption.

Now it faces the biggest crisis of all at a time when it is entirely bereft of leadership. Its much-vaunted unity in the face of adversity will be tested to the limit. It’s already beginning to crack.

The European Central Bank belatedly increased interest rates this week for the first time in 11 years, way behind the Bank of England and the U.S. Federal Reserve, both of which have been raising rates for some time now. It is too little, too late.

The euro has already slumped to parity with the dollar and Eurozone inflation averages 8.6 per cent and rising (it’s now 10 per cent in Spain, 12 per cent in Greece and 20 per cent in Estonia).

Much of the EU is in the grip of stagflation. As inflation soars, growth in the three biggest economies — Germany, France and Italy — has slowed or stalled.

Of course, the EU has survived setbacks in the past from the first Eurozone crisis in 2011-12 to the migrant crisis of 2015.

But not without great economic pain (including mass unemployment among young folk) and much political disruption.

Now it faces the biggest crisis of all at a time when it is entirely bereft of leadership. Its much-vaunted unity in the face of adversity will be tested to the limit. It’s already beginning to crack.

The European Central Bank belatedly increased interest rates this week for the first time in 11 years, way behind the Bank of England and the U.S. Federal Reserve, both of which have been raising rates for some time now. It is too little, too late.

The euro has already slumped to parity with the dollar and Eurozone inflation averages 8.6 per cent and rising (it’s now 10 per cent in Spain, 12 per cent in Greece and 20 per cent in Estonia).

Much of the EU is in the grip of stagflation. As inflation soars, growth in the three biggest economies — Germany, France and Italy — has slowed or stalled.

Germany is run by an unstable, inexperienced coalition of social democrats, greens and liberals headed by Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who looks and sounds if he would be more at home managing the high-street branch of your local bank
A full-blown downturn beckons, especially if Putin turns off the Russian gas taps.

He’s already closed down one major pipeline and this week he reopened another that had been closed for maintenance, but at only a trickle.

The EU is already talking about energy rationing, with industry taking the brunt of the shortages. In Germany, rationing could be a reality before the Christmas trees go up.

Huge swathes of German industry would have to close or go on part-time working. Europe’s economic powerhouse would grind to a halt — and with it the rest of Europe.

The continent’s political leadership is in no state to deal with these challenges. Germany is run by an unstable, inexperienced coalition of social democrats, greens and liberals headed by Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who looks and sounds if he would be more at home managing the high-street branch of your local bank.

Emmanuel Macron appears destined to see out his second term as a lame-duck president now that the French parliament is being held hostage by forces from the far Right and far Left. Italy has resorted to its default position of not being run by anybody. Mario Draghi, its technocratic prime minister — a former president of the European Central Bank (ECB) — has resigned over coalition squabbles.

Fresh elections are scheduled for the end of September, when those expected to do best are the hard-Right League and the far-Right Brothers of Italy.

The League is led by Matteo Salvini, who has praised Putin as a statesman and was once photographed in Red Square with Putin’s image on his T-shirt.

The Brothers of Italy is descended from Mussolini’s fascists. It is also, according to the latest polls, currently Italy’s most popular party. Both parties are replete with Putin-lovers.

Those who think the threat of Right-wing nativist-nationalist populists with a penchant for the Kremlin is over in Europe have another thing coming. Inflation can do strange, unpleasant things to democratic policies — and inflation has only started to bite.

The latest political crisis in Italy could easily trigger a second Eurozone crisis.

The ECB (under German pressure) is now winding back its printing of money, which means it cannot so easily buy up the massive sovereign debt Rome issues every year.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11040599/ANDREW-NEIL-EU-thats-staring-abyss.html
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Those who think the threat of Right-wing nativist-nationalist populists with a penchant for the Kremlin is over in Europe have another thing coming. Inflation can do strange, unpleasant things to democratic policies — and inflation has only started to bite.
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never mind the false conflation of nativism to nationalism. when the 'liberal world order' goes awry people pick leaders who promise to undo their SNAFU such as stagflation

it is now on the brink of recession and another Eurozone currency crisis looms. It’s a double whammy that will be all the more painful and prolonged because of President Putin’s mounting blackmail over Russian energy supplies, which threatens to condemn Europe’s major economies to a slump.
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well everyone was gung ho about mass sanctions against Russian energy. you got what you wanted
 
The Germans have enough shale gas to last more than fifty years but the Greentards won't allow it. Hope the fuckers freeze their tits off this winter.
 
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Why indeed, the NYT has turned from being a liberal but relatively balanced into a Regressive hectoring sanctimonious news organ. Andrew Neil knows a thing or two about newspapers as he was the editor of Sunday Times for 11 years.

Why do the useful idiots at the New York Times keep putting the boot into Brexit Britain when it's America that's a crime-ravaged basket case being torn apart by wokery, asks ANDREW NEIL

Ever since Britain had the temerity to vote for Brexit six years ago, The New York Times, America's most prestigious newspaper, has had it in for us.

Numerous articles — many given front-page billing — regularly depict Britain as a plague-ridden, poverty-stricken hellhole in terminal decline. Sometimes the abuse is so over the top that the only sensible response is to laugh out loud.

For example, according to the paper, it's only recently that we stopped existing almost entirely on a diet of 'legs of mutton' and 'bowls of porridge'. Apparently, we still huddle round bin fires to keep warm in winter. And during the summer of 2020 it reported we spent the brief heatwave 'cavorting' in 'swamps'.

The political analysis is often even more hilarious. Six months ago we were assured that Boris Johnson's Britain was 'sleepwalking into tyranny'. We already know that wasn't the most perspicacious of predictions.

If Johnson had tyrannical ambitions, he wouldn't be packing his bags to vacate 10 Downing Street next month merely because Tory MPs had forced him out. It never occurred to the great minds at The New York Times, who take themselves oh-so-seriously, that Johnson's rule was always far more likely to end in farce than fascism.

The New York Times is America's paper of record. It has long burst the boundaries of its home in the Big Apple. It is now a national newspaper with a global reach through its booming digital edition.

All the greater pity, given its influence in the U.S. and on the world stage, that when it comes to Britain you can't trust a word it says.

The Old Grey Lady, as the paper is nicknamed because of its dreary layout and headlines, is about as reliable on Britain as its coverage of Stalin's Russia in the 1930s, when its Moscow correspondent regularly insisted no one was short of food in Ukraine, only for less biddable journalists, including a number from Britain, to discover that Stalin was intentionally starving around 5 million Ukrainian peasants to death.

As to social fragmentation, America also has a lot more to worry about than Britain. The country is in the grip of a new and ferocious crime wave, with murder and violent attacks soaring these past two years

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...w-York-Times-putting-boot-Brexit-Britain.html
 
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Why indeed, the NYT has turned being a liberal but balanced into a Regressive hectoring sanctimonious news organ.

Why do the useful idiots at the New York Times keep putting the boot into Brexit Britain when it's America that's a crime-ravaged basket case being torn apart by wokery, asks ANDREW NEIL

Ever since Britain had the temerity to vote for Brexit six years ago, The New York Times, America's most prestigious newspaper, has had it in for us.

Numerous articles — many given front-page billing — regularly depict Britain as a plague-ridden, poverty-stricken hellhole in terminal decline. Sometimes the abuse is so over the top that the only sensible response is to laugh out loud.

For example, according to the paper, it's only recently that we stopped existing almost entirely on a diet of 'legs of mutton' and 'bowls of porridge'. Apparently, we still huddle round bin fires to keep warm in winter. And during the summer of 2020 it reported we spent the brief heatwave 'cavorting' in 'swamps'.

The political analysis is often even more hilarious. Six months ago we were assured that Boris Johnson's Britain was 'sleepwalking into tyranny'. We already know that wasn't the most perspicacious of predictions.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...w-York-Times-putting-boot-Brexit-Britain.html
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Um No....they are a third rate propaganda organ for the WOKE REvolution, far inferior to the Russians and the Chinese....no where near champion league.

America has become the Cant Do Nation, even in propaganda.
 
I cant decide which of the Know Littles at Spectator I like the least....but they have good guests....there are adults in the organization somewhere!
 
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I cant decide which of the Know Littles at Spectator I like the least....but they have good guests....there are adults in the organization somewhere!
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Douglas Murray writes for the Spectator as does Andrew Neil occasionally, so there's that! There is also Lionel Shriver, who is an American woman who has lived in England for many years, Fraser Nelson is the editor and is on par with Murray as an intellectual powerhouse.
 
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But if these same Remainers cast an honest eye across the Channel to their beloved European Union, they’d soon realise it is in an even worse state than we are.
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I disagree with the statement, but more importantly the statement is extremely anti-Brexit when you think of it. You are saying Brexit is even worse for the for the EU than Britain... Not that Brexit is good for either. The best Brexit would be good for both, but we all know that is not reality.

The EU, like the rest of the world, has problems. They have been made slightly worse by Brexit. The worst part of Brexit for the EU is losing the moderating force of the UK. No one ever talks about that, but the UK was an excellent force for making the EU better.

Meanwhile, the UK is losing a huge market, and is stuck trying to untangle a complex web. The EU does not need to worry about untangling things, it can just cutoff the UK. Worse yet, there are no good deals out there. The USA is not going to make a new trade deal, we do not have the political stability to do that. There is nothing on the table. No one else will either. The UK just broke its word to the EU, and besides, the EU sees no point in handing the UK a win, so they definitely will not hand the UK a deal.

Seriously, can anyone name a major economy willing to hand the UK a huge win? The UK needs a white collar services, especially financial services, trade deal more than anything else. Those are nearly impossible, even without all the current problems.
 
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I disagree with the statement, but more importantly the statement is extremely anti-Brexit when you think of it. You are saying Brexit is even worse for the for the EU than Britain... Not that Brexit is good for either. The best Brexit would be good for both, but we all know that is not reality.

The EU, like the rest of the world, has problems. They have been made slightly worse by Brexit. The worst part of Brexit for the EU is losing the moderating force of the UK. No one ever talks about that, but the UK was an excellent force for making the EU better.

Meanwhile, the UK is losing a huge market, and is stuck trying to untangle a complex web. The EU does not need to worry about untangling things, it can just cutoff the UK. Worse yet, there are no good deals out there. The USA is not going to make a new trade deal, we do not have the political stability to do that. There is nothing on the table. No one else will either. The UK just broke its word to the EU, and besides, the EU sees no point in handing the UK a win, so they definitely will not hand the UK a deal.

Seriously, can anyone name a major economy willing to hand the UK a huge win? The UK needs a white collar services, especially financial services, trade deal more than anything else. Those are nearly impossible, even without all the current problems.
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Salty, you haven't a clue who Andrew Neil is, have you?
 
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