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[ExpressLane]

Provide your source for the 4MW. This ought to be good.

According to ERCOT at the time of your post wind production was 6.1 Mw. Solar was producing 7.6 MW

The funny thing is, wind was producing exactly what was predicted by ERCOT.
ERCOT is predicting 10 -20 MW per hour for tomorrow. Anyone that thinks any electrical generation will produce its maximum at all times is an idiot. It's called planning. Something you seem to know nothing about. If TX was able to buy electric from other states it would not be issuing warnings about possibly brown outs.

My post was made at 1:13 pm ERCOT says the wind output at that time was ~ 3,800 MW see the ERCOT graph.

Today we had about 4-5,000 MW of operational reserves all day. It sure would have been nice to have the extra 25-29,000 MW that Wind DID NOT produce. Wind is now making ~ 16,000 MW BUT Demand is down too. DURING PEAK DEMAND HOURS WIND WAS MAKING 3,800 MW when we need it to make more. IF we had 50% of our capacity as Wind we would not have had enough power. We would have had 66,000 MW of installed wind capacity and only made 7,500MW at 1:13pm today. It would have caused a massive blackout.

 

[Walt]

You cannot trap heat.

The whole concept of insulation is to trap heat. It works. We can see it working in our insulated homes, in the coats we wear outside in the winter, and in the blankets that keep us warm when we sleep.

Because they can't generate sufficient power. The have to import it. Much of it comes from Hoover dam, and that's draining Lake Mead faster than the river can fill it

Hoover dam is used as a energy store. Water is pumped in when there is a surplus of energy, and energy is generated when there is a deficit of energy. It is not just the river filling the reservoir.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Contextomy fallacy. Math error.

Fallacy fallacy!!

The fallacy fallacy occurs when a poster (almost always Into the Night) claims a fallacy without explaining why they think it is a fallacy. The poster (almost always Into the Night) does this in order to avoid the topic while thinking it makes them appear smarter than they always are.

Math error? I guess you can claim that if we completely ignore how math works. Anyone can check the numbers and the math. (except Into the Night who seems to be incapable of simple algebra.)

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

My post was made at 1:13 pm ERCOT says the wind output at that time was ~ 3,800 MW see the ERCOT graph.

Today we had about 4-5,000 MW of operational reserves all day. It sure would have been nice to have the extra 25-29,000 MW that Wind DID NOT produce. Wind is now making ~ 16,000 MW BUT Demand is down too. DURING PEAK DEMAND HOURS WIND WAS MAKING 3,800 MW when we need it to make more. IF we had 50% of our capacity as Wind we would not have had enough power. We would have had 66,000 MW of installed wind capacity and only made 7,500MW at 1:13pm today. It would have caused a massive blackout.

6:56 central time is now 1:13 central time? Boy, you do like to make shit up. that doesn't make any sense at all.

According to ERCOT 24.2 of Texas grid is wind but a lot of good it does right now the 33 MW capacitance is only currently producing around 4MW like I told during high pressure heat waves wind decreases wind speed and wind generation decreases. If we has 50% of our generation in wind we would be royally screwed. Wind makes the grid less reliable.

But it seems that ERCOT is just fine when it comes to predicting production. Just not very good at planning. If only they were connected to a grid with 22 other states........

 

[ExpressLane]

6:56 central time is now 1:13 central time? Boy, you do like to make shit up. that doesn't make any sense at all.



But it seems that ERCOT is just fine when it comes to predicting production. Just not very good at planning. If only they were connected to a grid with 22 other states........

I have no idea what you are looking at but I posted at 1:13 pm here in the Dallas area and the numbers I quoted are correct. We got to 97% of operational capacity and during that time period wind was under performing. You are laughable first you brag about ND's high percentage of wind then you admit they have the advantage of being attached to states that don't have high wind percentage and make their electricity from fossil fuel and nukes. The Eastern grid does not have 24.2% installed wind capacitance like Texas does so when wind does not blow ND can and does depend on fossil fuel generation. If wind is so great like you cliam then unplug ND from the Eastern grid that DOES NOT have a large percentage of wind generation and see what happens to ND.

This is the time stamp off of my post # 117 Yesterday, 01:13 PM at that time yesterday ERCOT said we were making 3,800 MW from wind out of our over 33,000 installed wind capacitance.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I have no idea what you are looking at but I posted at 1:13 pm here in the Dallas area and the numbers I quoted are correct. We got to 97% of operational capacity and during that time period wind was under performing. You are laughable first you brag about ND's high percentage of wind then you admit they have the advantage of being attached to states that don't have high wind percentage and make their electricity from fossil fuel and nukes. The Eastern grid does not have 24.2% installed wind capacitance like Texas does so when wind does not blow ND can and does depend on fossil fuel generation. If wind is so great like you cliam then unplug ND from the Eastern grid that DOES NOT have a large percentage of wind generation and see what happens to ND.

This is the time stamp off of my post # 117 Yesterday, 01:13 PM at that time yesterday ERCOT said we were making 3,800 MW from wind out of our over 33,000 installed wind capacitance.

Yeah.. and then at 6:56 in post 129 (timestamp Yesterday, 06:56 PM) you claimed it was "currently producing around 4MW". Unless currently means something completely different in Texas, I asked because you didn't seem to understand the production changes over the day.

Are you claiming you didn't make post 129?
Are you claiming you don't know the meaning of the word "currently"?


ND could probably unplug from the grid and be just fine because ND is a net exporter of energy. But the reality is that ND never transfers electricity east of Wisconsin. It would be ridiculous to try to transport electricity from NY to ND. But you seem to be admitting that the problem for Texas is they planned to fail by not being attached to any grid that can supply them power when they can't produce enough. If Texas could get electricity from OK, LA, NM, KS, AR it wouldn't have the problems they have now.

Somehow you seem to think that planning to use wind requires you to install the exact number of turbines you need for when they are all producing at 100%. That is idiotic on your part. You install so that you can overproduce so when some aren't producing you still have enough. Then you don't rely solely on one source. If you bothered to actually look at ERCOT, when wind isn't producing during the day, solar is. It's easy to shut a turbine down if you are producing too much electricity. As Texas is finding out, when you don't plan for less than 100% production then you only planned to fail.

 

[Into the Night]

The whole concept of insulation is to trap heat. It works.
We can see it working in our insulated homes, in the coats we wear outside in the winter, and in the blankets that keep us warm when we sleep.

You cannot trap heat.

Thermal insulation REDUCES heat. It doesn't trap it.

There is no perfect thermal insulation.

Now you are going to actually claim that there is a blanket around the Earth that prevents sunlight from heating the Earth, and that's why it's warmer??????????????!?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hoover dam is used as a energy store. Water is pumped in when there is a surplus of energy, and energy is generated when there is a deficit of energy. It is not just the river filling the reservoir.

Hoover dam has no pumps to refill Lake Mead!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Into the Night]

Fallacy fallacy!!

The fallacy fallacy occurs when a poster (almost always Into the Night) claims a fallacy without explaining why they think it is a fallacy. The poster (almost always Into the Night) does this in order to avoid the topic while thinking it makes them appear smarter than they always are.

Math error? I guess you can claim that if we completely ignore how math works. Anyone can check the numbers and the math. (except Into the Night who seems to be incapable of simple algebra.)

Mockery.You cannot project YOUR problem on anybody else, dude. It is YOUR math error. It is YOUR contextomy fallacy. LIF

 

[Into the Night]

6:56 central time is now 1:13 central time? Boy, you do like to make shit up. that doesn't make any sense at all.

Apparently you are unaware that clocks and timezone info is messed up on JPP.

But it seems that ERCOT is just fine when it comes to predicting production. Just not very good at planning. If only they were connected to a grid with 22 other states........

Repetition fallacy (chanting). Void argument fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

I have no idea what you are looking at but I posted at 1:13 pm here in the Dallas area and the numbers I quoted are correct. We got to 97% of operational capacity and during that time period wind was under performing. You are laughable first you brag about ND's high percentage of wind then you admit they have the advantage of being attached to states that don't have high wind percentage and make their electricity from fossil fuel and nukes. The Eastern grid does not have 24.2% installed wind capacitance like Texas does so when wind does not blow ND can and does depend on fossil fuel generation. If wind is so great like you cliam then unplug ND from the Eastern grid that DOES NOT have a large percentage of wind generation and see what happens to ND.

This is the time stamp off of my post # 117 Yesterday, 01:13 PM at that time yesterday ERCOT said we were making 3,800 MW from wind out of our over 33,000 installed wind capacitance.

ND is not plugged into the Eastern grid. It is quite capable of generating it's own power. Most of it comes from natural gas, oil, and coal. Poor Richard Sanders likes to make stuff up. He's just pissing in the wind.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

I don't think that it is a bad thing for people to try and conserve energy during this Heat crisis.

We all waste electricity.

We better also be conserving water, as I bet we are getting close to running short on that as well.

I finally gave up on trying to save my lawn- in fact just about everyone in my neighborhood has too, as the grass looks dead above ground in most every yard now.

The good news- I'm not having to mow it any longer as it stopped growing- the Bad News- it turned yellow!

Hopefully the grass roots aren't dead.

I'm thinking maybe I should water it one last time- WITH GREEN DYE!

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Mockery.You cannot project YOUR problem on anybody else, dude. It is YOUR math error. It is YOUR contextomy fallacy. LIF

The math error is yours since you claimed none of the states listed can get more than 26% of their generation from wind.
I used the Dept of Energy as my source and showed the total generation, wind generation and percent of generation from wind.

Since you can't provide a source to dispute your own source and you can't provide any math that shows a math error, we are left with you are claiming a fallacy since you can't defend your position.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Apparently you are unaware that clocks and timezone info is messed up on JPP.

Repetition fallacy (chanting). Void argument fallacy.

Fallacy fallacy!!

The fallacy fallacy occurs when a poster (almost always Into the Night) claims a fallacy without explaining why they think it is a fallacy. The poster (almost always Into the Night) does this in order to avoid the topic while thinking it makes them appear smarter than they always are.

LOL.. so you don't even know how your computer reports time so you blame JPP for the time being "messed up."

 

[Into the Night]

I don't think that it is a bad thing for people to try and conserve energy during this Heat crisis.

We all waste electricity.

We better also be conserving water, as I bet we are getting close to running short on that as well.

I finally gave up on trying to save my lawn- in fact just about everyone in my neighborhood has too, as the grass looks dead above ground in most every yard now.

The good news- I'm not having to mow it any longer as it stopped growing- the Bad News- it turned yellow!

Hopefully the grass roots aren't dead.

I'm thinking maybe I should water it one last time- WITH GREEN DYE!

Celebrating the devastation of your lawn and sweltering in your own house when you have perfectly functional air conditioning??
You are strange.

 

[Into the Night]

The math error is yours

LIF. You can't project YOUR problem on me, dude.

since you claimed none of the states listed can get more than 26% of their generation from wind.

I made no such claim. Word stuffing.

I used the Dept of Energy as my source and showed the total generation, wind generation and percent of generation from wind.

Math error. Contextomy fallacy.

Since you can't provide a source to dispute your own source and you can't provide any math that shows a math error, we are left with you are claiming a fallacy since you can't defend your position.

RQAA.

 

[Into the Night]

Fallacy fallacy!!

The fallacy fallacy occurs when a poster (almost always Into the Night) claims a fallacy without explaining why they think it is a fallacy. The poster (almost always Into the Night) does this in order to avoid the topic while thinking it makes them appear smarter than they always are.

LOL.. so you don't even know how your computer reports time so you blame JPP for the time being "messed up."

Mockery. Denial of logic. RQAA. Extreme argument fallacy. JPP does not handle time or timezone conversions correctly. Big deal. Why the fuck are YOU making such a huge stink about it?

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Celebrating the devastation of your lawn and sweltering in your own house when you have perfectly functional air conditioning??
You are strange.

While trying to show out- You really go out of your way to go after me personally to make something negative here about my comment!

BUT, as usual- YOU FAIL!

 

[ExpressLane]

Yeah.. and then at 6:56 in post 129 (timestamp Yesterday, 06:56 PM) you claimed it was "currently producing around 4MW". Unless currently means something completely different in Texas, I asked because you didn't seem to understand the production changes over the day.

Are you claiming you didn't make post 129?
Are you claiming you don't know the meaning of the word "currently"?


ND could probably unplug from the grid and be just fine because ND is a net exporter of energy. But the reality is that ND never transfers electricity east of Wisconsin. It would be ridiculous to try to transport electricity from NY to ND. But you seem to be admitting that the problem for Texas is they planned to fail by not being attached to any grid that can supply them power when they can't produce enough. If Texas could get electricity from OK, LA, NM, KS, AR it wouldn't have the problems they have now.

Somehow you seem to think that planning to use wind requires you to install the exact number of turbines you need for when they are all producing at 100%. That is idiotic on your part. You install so that you can overproduce so when some aren't producing you still have enough. Then you don't rely solely on one source. If you bothered to actually look at ERCOT, when wind isn't producing during the day, solar is. It's easy to shut a turbine down if you are producing too much electricity. As Texas is finding out, when you don't plan for less than 100% production then you only planned to fail.

What time zone are you in? I'm in central and my post #129 is time stamped. Yesterday, 04:56 PM When you are running up to 97% of your functional capacitance you sure as hell aren't "throttling back" your wind turbines that is just DUMB

 

[ExpressLane]

Yeah.. and then at 6:56 in post 129 (timestamp Yesterday, 06:56 PM) you claimed it was "currently producing around 4MW". Unless currently means something completely different in Texas, I asked because you didn't seem to understand the production changes over the day.

Are you claiming you didn't make post 129?
Are you claiming you don't know the meaning of the word "currently"?


ND could probably unplug from the grid and be just fine because ND is a net exporter of energy. But the reality is that ND never transfers electricity east of Wisconsin. It would be ridiculous to try to transport electricity from NY to ND. But you seem to be admitting that the problem for Texas is they planned to fail by not being attached to any grid that can supply them power when they can't produce enough. If Texas could get electricity from OK, LA, NM, KS, AR it wouldn't have the problems they have now.

Somehow you seem to think that planning to use wind requires you to install the exact number of turbines you need for when they are all producing at 100%. That is idiotic on your part. You install so that you can overproduce so when some aren't producing you still have enough. Then you don't rely solely on one source. If you bothered to actually look at ERCOT, when wind isn't producing during the day, solar is. It's easy to shut a turbine down if you are producing too much electricity. As Texas is finding out, when you don't plan for less than 100% production then you only planned to fail.

Actually the panhandle of Texas is part of the Oklahoma grid.


Texas had the largest growth in population of any state in 2021

..

With a population of 29,527,941 in 2021, Texas had the largest annual and cumulative numeric gain, increasing by 310,288 (1.1%) and 382,436 (1.3%), respectively.
While gaining population through net international migration (27,185), the growth in Texas in the last year was primarily due to gains from net domestic migration (170,307) and natural increase (113,845).

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pre...on of 29,527,941,382,436 (1.3%), respectively.

Oklahoma added 24,608 people

https://www.ocpathink.org/post/oklahoma-population-growth-outpaces-nation
The rapid growth in population also puts a strain on the grid.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Actually the panhandle of Texas is part of the Oklahoma grid.

He's like a dog with a bone and a particularly mangy one at that.