Greg Abbott Silent as Electric Power Grid Operator Urges Texans To Turn Off Appliance

[Into the Night]

Too bad Texas isn't hooked up to the national grid. They could be getting power from Oklahoma and Kansas.
North Dakota and South Dakota get more of their power from wind than Oklahoma and ND has the lowest rates in the country. Oklahoma has lower rates than Texas according to your source and some of the lowest in the country. The problem Texas seems to have is they don't know how to plan for anything like cold or heat. It's almost like they have never heard of those things.

ND gets most of it's electricity from natural gas, oil, and coal.
OK gets most of it's electricity from natural gas, oil, and coal as well.

TX handles hot weather just fine. They handle cold weather reasonably well.

Wind generators do not work in icing conditions.

 

[Into the Night]

How would SD grid perform on a 107 degree day like in Texas today and is predicted for the next two days? Texas power plants are built NOT ENCLOSED so they can radiate heat on hot days. Power plants in SD are built in enclosures. We also don't heat wind turbine blades like they do in South Dakota. The winter storm that made the Texas grid fail was longer colder and wider spread than ANY storm in recorded Texas weather history. And yes it caused blackouts in Arkansa in Louisiana also. So heated Turbine blades weren't needed previously so our grid was built without them . If SD has a heat wave like is commonplace in Texas it will stress their grid and probably cause failure from the heat. TODAY when almost everyone in Texas was running AC the power from wind generation dropped to 4,397 MW during peak usage hours down from a potential of 33 MW of installed capacitance. We sure could have used those extra 29 MW of power that Wind did not supply during peak usage hours. We have had 25 new records for electric demand since May and the power is still on. Hopefully the wind will start blowing and do its job .

If wind is so cheap why do multiple states have lower rates than Oklahoma?

Heating turbine blades not only requires energy, it's insufficient for any serious icing conditions. You still can't operate the machine.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Real life facts about US energy production vs your fantasies. Yeah.. somehow there is some magic subsidy that is keeping rates low in 7 states that use wind but you can't tell us what that subsidy is......

Your boots weren't made for walking.

You're unbelievably ignorant, do you get paid for all your bullshit?

The Production Tax Credit (PTC) provides a tax credit of 1¢–2¢ per kilowatt-hour for the first 10 years of electricity generation for utility-scale wind. The alternative Investment Tax Credit (ITC) provides a credit for 12%–30% of investment costs at the start of the project and is especially significant for the offshore and distributed wind sectors because such projects are more capital-intensive and benefit from the up-front tax benefits.

https://windexchange.energy.gov/projects/tax-credits

 

[Into the Night]

SD grid would perform just fine. When SD hits over 100, they don't lose power. If they aren't producing enough, they buy it from other states. If the wind isn't blowing in SD, it is likely to be blowing in Iowa and Nebraska.

If wind is so expensive then why does ND have the lowest rates in the country when they get over 40% of their electricity from wind? Wind is not as expensive as ItK and Primavera claim it is. It is actually one of the cheapest production sources. Weather predictions have gotten good enough, that a producer should be able to forecast production and demand a week in advance. I guess Texans don't believe in the fake weather forecasts so they have to deal with rolling black outs.

SD doesn't get 40% of their electricity from wind. They get it from natural gas, oil, and coal.

 

[Into the Night]

Texas has had wind turbines for 150 years?

But seriously. Do you know about climate change? Do you understand that it makes weather more extreme? It seems Texans want to pretend it isn't happening. Failure to plan means failure. Texas seems to be failing a lot.

Climate cannot change. There is no value associated with climate.
Climate is not weather.

Define 'more extreme'.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth.
* You cannot create energy out of nothing.
* You cannot reduce entropy.
* You cannot trap heat.
* You cannot trap light.
* You cannot trap thermal energy. There is always heat.

See the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. You can't just discard them.

 

[Into the Night]

California is having problems including blackouts with their Federally regulated grid. Their grid is so poorly maintained that they have to shut down sections of it to keep from burning more people up.

Because they can't generate sufficient power. The have to import it. Much of it comes from Hoover dam, and that's draining Lake Mead faster than the river can fill it.

It won't be long before they lose that power source completely. Hoover dam will have to shut down.

 

[Into the Night]

LOL. I guess you don't know that SD is more than just Sioux Falls.

No, the SD grid wouldn't fry under the Texas heat. It would perform just fine. They have the capacity to produce more than enough electricity and if they can't they can buy from other states.

It's called planning. Something Texans should try some time.

I didn't realize that wind turbines were required to water your garden.... Oh.. that's right.. more failure to plan by a Texan.

Random statements. No apparent coherency. No argument presented.

 

[Into the Night]

California has a grid problem. Yes. Doesn't mean wind power is the most expensive source of electricity. it means that electric companies in California failed to do the proper planning. Just like the electric companies in Texas failed to do planning.

Wind isn't the most expensive form of generating electricity. It's the 2nd most expensive form. Solar takes first place.

No, you don't get to blame the problems of DEMOCRATS interfering with the energy market on the power companies of Texas, dude.

 

[ExpressLane]

LOL... OK. provide a source that gives net generation that you think is more accurate than the EIA.
The 20% number is for the entire year of 2021 according to EIA.

According to ERCOT 24.2 of Texas grid is wind but a lot of good it does right now the 33 MW capacitance is only currently producing around 4MW like I told during high pressure heat waves wind decreases wind speed and wind generation decreases. If we has 50% of our generation in wind we would be royally screwed. Wind makes the grid less reliable.

 

[Into the Night]

So basically you have a bunch of excuses for the failure of Texas to plan... That's nice. Enjoy your next failures.

He never gave any excuses. What have YOU been smoking?

 

[Into the Night]

California's problem is transmission. They failed to upgrade their transmission lines for decades.

Partly true. The biggest problem in the SDTC is the SDTC itself, which failed to build any power generating capacity and dismantled what power generating capacity they already had.

Texas just wanted to pretend that the warnings about climate change were "fake news."

They are fake news. Religion is not science, dude.

Failure to accept reality

Buzzword fallacy. You don't know what the word means.

and plan on their part.

They did. Despite the unusually harsh icing conditions, most of Texas power stayed on. What parts that did fail have been fixed.

 

[Into the Night]

It kind of hard to find failure points when those issues have never been issues before in Texas electric generating history. It's a bit like planning for a heat wave in Alaska. . Nobody puts AC in their homes in Alaska even though it occasionally gets hot.

AC is fairly rare around Seattle as well. We just don't have that many hot days here.

 

[Into the Night]

Population of SD, ND, KS, NE, IA, CO, OK combined - Over 19 million. And yet those states combined get over 35% of their power from wind, have relatively cheap electricity and don't have rolling blackouts.

No, they don't. They get their power primarily from natural gas, oil, and coal. NONE of them get more than 26% of their power from wind (and only if the wind generators are operating at full capacity, which is rare). Source: US Dept of Energy. TX is not having rolling blackouts. The SDTC is, though. Soon, it will be just massive blackouts, when power they are importing from Hoover dam fails.

 

[Shoresy]

Too bad they spent all that money on border efforts.

I bet a lot of those immigrants wanting in would be happy to work on creating a better power grid.

They would probably like nothing more than to be good law-abiding citizens and be happy to pay taxes and pay into the Social Security System.

Ya because defending the border is cheaper than the millions of economic migrant welfare leaches eh you retarded fuck?

 

[Into the Night]

Real life facts about US energy production vs your fantasies. Yeah.. somehow there is some magic subsidy that is keeping rates low in 7 states that use wind but you can't tell us what that subsidy is......

Your boots weren't made for walking.

He already did. RQAA.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

According to ERCOT 24.2 of Texas grid is wind but a lot of good it does right now the 33 MW capacitance is only currently producing around 4MW like I told during high pressure heat waves wind decreases wind speed and wind generation decreases. If we has 50% of our generation in wind we would be royally screwed. Wind makes the grid less reliable.

Provide your source for the 4MW. This ought to be good.

According to ERCOT at the time of your post wind production was 6.1 Mw. Solar was producing 7.6 MW

The funny thing is, wind was producing exactly what was predicted by ERCOT.
ERCOT is predicting 10 -20 MW per hour for tomorrow. Anyone that thinks any electrical generation will produce its maximum at all times is an idiot. It's called planning. Something you seem to know nothing about. If TX was able to buy electric from other states it would not be issuing warnings about possibly brown outs.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

No, they don't. They get their power primarily from natural gas, oil, and coal. NONE of them get more than 26% of their power from wind (and only if the wind generators are operating at full capacity, which is rare). Source: US Dept of Energy. TX is not having rolling blackouts. The SDTC is, though. Soon, it will be just massive blackouts, when power they are importing from Hoover dam fails.

My God, you are an idiot. Your source proves you are wrong..
https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/state/

For 2020:

SD - Total generation - 14,146539
Wind generation - 5,544,166
Wind produced 39.91%

OK:
Total Production - 82,297,832
Wind Produced - 29,416,977
Wind Produced 35.75%


ND:
Total Production - 42,176,424
Wind Production - 13,633,854
Wind produced 32.33%

IA:
Total Production - 59,636,671
Wind Production - 34,182,302
Wind produced 57.32%


Care to provide the numbers you are pulling out or your ass?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

He never gave any excuses. What have YOU been smoking?

Clearly I don't have access to the good stuff you are always smoking. Or are you just dropping something every hour on the hour?

 

[Into the Night]

My God, you are an idiot. Your source proves you are wrong..
https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/state/

For 2020:

SD - Total generation - 14,146539
Wind generation - 5,544,166
Wind produced 39.91%

OK:
Total Production - 82,297,832
Wind Produced - 29,416,977
Wind Produced 35.75%


ND:
Total Production - 42,176,424
Wind Production - 13,633,854
Wind produced 32.33%

IA:
Total Production - 59,636,671
Wind Production - 34,182,302
Wind produced 57.32%


Care to provide the numbers you are pulling out or your ass?

Contextomy fallacy. Math error.

 

[Into the Night]

Clearly I don't have access to the good stuff you are always smoking. Or are you just dropping something every hour on the hour?

LIF.