Make the Fathers Pay

Hello Damo,



I am arguing for an individual's right to be secure in their person.

That is literally the right that was rejected by this ruling. LOL. However, I am not saying that is why we should do this. I can't believe we haven't already. Rather than just beef up welfare and let folks walk away from what they created based on "women may lie" I would support an entity we create to affirm responsibility so I don't have to pay for your irresponsible behavior.

And again, the state's need to know overcomes the right... So what we do is negate that need by providing a way to get the needed information (are you the father) without the information regarding their/your person, the DNA record, coming into possession of the government by ensuring it isn't the government testing the samples and requiring the data set to be kept private from the government (your DNA does not go into a government database) and that after a certain period the data set is destroyed (like gun checks, but without the government entity doing the destruction of records or having the information).

I get that you don't want the government to have access to information, and therefore have provided a means to allow you to be responsible for your children, and only your children, without the government having the means to obtain information which you do not want them to have. At this point courts will get warrants based on exactly what you are objecting to, giving the government access to your personal information that you otherwise do not want them to have. I seek a better and more private solution. Other than saying "women could lie" and refusing to pay for your children do you have any suggestions that would make it "better" for you?

I don't care that you want to donate sperm to the mother but refuse to take responsibility in any way and want to say the reason is that women might lie. The child's right to have those responsible for their existence to pay for it is paramount. And again, if we require women who "guess" wrong to pay for the tests if they were wrong my bet is that there will be far less "lying"...
 
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its a pity demmycrats have no brains......they could probably think of a better way of handling things than simply killing their children.......maybe someone should tell them about things like contraception or maybe adoption..........

Embryos are not children- IDIOT!

An unborn child is actually a parasite!

par·a·site
/ˈperəˌsīt/
noun
noun: parasite; plural noun: parasites

1. an organism that lives in or on an organism of another (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.

Women should be able to decide if she wants to carry a pregnancy- or abort the parasite!
 
America just joined a list of SHIT HOLE 3rd world COUNTRIES.

Countries in which abortion is completely illegal/prohibited:

Abortion is completely illegal in the following countries: Andorra, Aruba (territory), Republic of the Congo, Curaçao (territory), Dominican Republic, Egypt, El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, Iraq, Jamaica, Laos, Madagascar, Malta, Mauritania, Nicaragua, Palau, Philippines, San Marino, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Suriname, Tonga, and West Bank & Gaza Strip (Palestinian territories). Note: This is a list of countries in which abortion has been completely prohibited.

WAY TO GO REPUBLICANS!

Way to go TRUMPTARDS!

WAY TO GO PUSSY MEN!

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America just joined a list of SHIT HOLE 3rd world COUNTRIES.

Countries in which abortion is completely illegal/prohibited:

Abortion is completely illegal in the following countries: Andorra, Aruba (territory), Republic of the Congo, Curaçao (territory), Dominican Republic, Egypt, El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, Iraq, Jamaica, Laos, Madagascar, Malta, Mauritania, Nicaragua, Palau, Philippines, San Marino, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Suriname, Tonga, and West Bank & Gaza Strip (Palestinian territories). Note: This is a list of countries in which abortion has been completely prohibited.

WAY TO GO REPUBLICANS!

Way to go TRUMPTARDS!

WAY TO GO PUSSY MEN!

when retards try to make a point - but are retards - it comes out like this^

America is not a country where abortion is completely illegal - so we don't get added to that list. so your post was dumb
 
when retards try to make a point - but are retards - it comes out like this^

America is not a country where abortion is completely illegal - so we don't get added to that list. so your post was dumb

Listen up PUSSY MAN- There are 10 states that are banning abortions with no exception for Rape, Incest, Or danger to the mother's health!

THAT IS TOTAL ABORTION YOU STUPID IGNORANT MOTHER-FUCKER!

You may want to educate yourself before making stupid reckless comments like yours- and quoting yourself here in the forum!

Ignorant idiots like you should just STFU!
 
Listen up PUSSY MAN- There are 10 states that are banning abortions with no exception for Rape, Incest, Or danger to the mother's health!

THAT IS TOTAL ABORTION YOU STUPID IGNORANT MOTHER-FUCKER!

You may want to educate yourself before making stupid reckless comments like yours- and quoting yourself here in the forum!

Ignorant idiots like you should just STFU!

hey geeko - it would take all 50 states to ban it for us to join the list of countries that have a total ban

so fuck off geeko retardivo you are an idiot :laugh:
 
Hello Damo,

That is literally the right that was rejected by this ruling. LOL. However, I am not saying that is why we should do this. I can't believe we haven't already. Rather than just beef up welfare and let folks walk away from what they created based on "women may lie" I would support an entity we create to affirm responsibility so I don't have to pay for your irresponsible behavior.

And again, the state's need to know overcomes the right... So what we do is negate that need by providing a way to get the needed information (are you the father) without the information regarding their/your person, the DNA record, coming into possession of the government by ensuring it isn't the government testing the samples and requiring the data set to be kept private from the government (your DNA does not go into a government database) and that after a certain period the data set is destroyed (like gun checks, but without the government entity doing the destruction of records or having the information).

I get that you don't want the government to have access to information, and therefore have provided a means to allow you to be responsible for your children, and only your children, without the government having the means to obtain information which you do not want them to have. At this point courts will get warrants based on exactly what you are objecting to, giving the government access to your personal information that you otherwise do not want them to have. I seek a better and more private solution. Other than saying "women could lie" and refusing to pay for your children do you have any suggestions that would make it "better" for you?

I don't care that you want to donate sperm to the mother but refuse to take responsibility in any way and want to say the reason is that women might lie. The child's right to have those responsible for their existence to pay for it is paramount. And again, if we require women who "guess" wrong to pay for the tests if they were wrong my bet is that there will be far less "lying"...

It is an interesting idea; which raises questions.

How would this agency get paid for?

How secure would the records of the independent agency be? Every database is subject to being hacked. What would prevent the government from using the agency records in the attempt to solve crimes or for national security? All that would be required is a court order for the records to be turned over to the government.

Regardless, I cannot support mandatory DNA testing without a specific court order.

No citizen should be required to submit to that or anything without just cause.
 
hey geeko - it would take all 50 states to ban it for us to join the list of countries that have a total ban

so fuck off geeko retardivo you are an idiot :laugh:

States are going to do what the Governors want and intend to do!

Some governors are banning all abortions in their states- NO EXCEPTIONS!

NO SIR! YOU ARE THE RETARD AND THE IDIOT!
 
I fully expect you made that up or pulled it out of Rachel Maddow's ass........

I fully expect that you are such an idiot- you have no idea of the enormous array of negative consequences that will happen now as a result of banning abortions!

Just like when America tried to ban alcohol! IT TURNED OUT TO BE ONE OF THE WORST DECISIONS EVER MADE IN THIS COUNTRY!
 
I fully expect that you are such an idiot- you have no idea of the enormous array of negative consequences that will happen now as a result of banning abortions!

Just like when America tried to ban alcohol! IT TURNED OUT TO BE ONE OF THE WORST DECISIONS EVER MADE IN THIS COUNTRY!

Democrats said the same thing about slavery. Good thing not many listened.
 
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