and when you meddle, you take a chance - especially considering NATO expansion
had Ukraine as the only buffer to NATO
Yanukovych was actually neutral about the EU and Russia's desire for Uk to join the
Eurasian Economic community
Sievierodonetsk falls to Russia
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had Ukraine as the only buffer to NATO
Yanukovych was actually neutral about the EU and Russia's desire for Uk to join the
Eurasian Economic community
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
As you know, the Budapest Memorandum also provided security assurances for Ukraine.
I understand your points. This is an awful situation that should have never been allowed to happen by Obama and Biden. Now we have to deal with this shit and keep our word to protect the Ukrainian people, as we promised in the Memorandum.
As you know, Trump didn't allow it to happen on his watch, under his leadership.
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
And They all still meddle.
Do you think NATO's ultimate goal since its inception, has been to invade Russia? I haven't seen any evidence of that.
As you know, it was the Crimean gov'ts attempt to renegotiate the Sevastopol port deal that triggered Pootie. Did they not have a right to do that?
Trump was tragically unable to deal with Putin due tothe Russian hoax. Left on it's own the US security state will always take a hostile posture toward Russia.
Trump claims he even told Putin " I know you want Ukraine but you wont get it"
Recall Trump campaigned on improving Russian relations. Clinton -the evil witch- made damn sure
to use Trump's openness towards improving US/Russian relations against him by fabricating the Russian Hoax.
at virtually every nexus, we took the most bellicose stance. I'm not excusing the invasion
simply reporting it's the culmination of FUBAR western hegemonic aggression and NATO expansion
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
I whole heartedly agree with everything you said except the last sentence.
We've known for a very long time that Pootie has been trying to reestablish the Soviet hegemony.
Kyiv became increasingly hostile to Russia after the Maidan as we made back door promises - or at least refusal to deny -to have Ukraine in NATO
The Russian separatists wanted some autonomy - Kyiv refused it,and started the war in Donbas
Sevastopol lease was negotiated - i think it was 2017? But the "color" governments always threatened the lease anyhow.. Crimea is absolutely essential for Russian security -the Black sea fleet and more
...honestly I am taxing my brain this early, still working on coffee..and loosing the details in my mind
Nuland,Kagan, Pyatt Vindman,Fiona Hill,McCain -these are the bad guys for sure..lol
that's a meme. his speeches are for domestic consumption.. I was reading the other day...*yawn* sorry man..i gotta get off this and get ready to work. Later on this if you wish
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
It was 2014.
"
Russian fleet at heart of Ukraine crisis is central to Putinhttps://www.reuters.com › article › russian-fleet-at-heart...
Mar 7, 2014 — Former pro-Western Ukrainian president Viktor Yushchenko wanted the fleet to leave Sevastopol because he said it was an agent of instability.
Russian forces storm Ukraine naval HQ in Crimea - Reutershttps://www.reuters.com › us-ukraine-crisis-sevastopol
Mar 19, 2014 — Russian troops and unarmed men stormed Ukraine's naval headquarters in the Crimean port of Sevastopol on Wednesday and raised the Russian ..."
And Ukraine/Crimea was part of a sovereign State. Pootie had no right to take Sevastopol by force.
I'll get back to you later.
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
I disagree with you. His actions and words have proven he wants to reestablish the Soviet hegemony.
Later is good.
moon
Satire for Sanity
I think you're due a Novichook sandwich, maggot.
Haw, haw........................................haw.
I hope we never have to count on conservatives if this country is invaded. Clearly their sentiment tends to be surrender and submit, rather than risk some of our infrastructure being destroyed.
Nobody has a gun to Ukrainians heads forcing them to fight. They have obviously made the calculation that their freedom and sovereignty are more important than some bridges and buildings, which can be rebuilt.
It's taken five months for Russia, which is purported to be a superpower, to capture a few key eastern Ukranian cities, at enormous cost to their military and reputation. That is not stunning military or political success
Nobody has a gun to Ukrainians heads forcing them to fight. They have obviously made the calculation that their freedom and sovereignty are more important than some bridges and buildings, which can be rebuilt.
It's taken five months for Russia, which is purported to be a superpower, to capture a few key eastern Ukranian cities, at enormous cost to their military and reputation. That is not stunning military or political success
moon
Satire for Sanity
Yes, they do. They barred all men from leaving the country and pushed them to bear arms. Everybody knows that so your post must be classified as a brazen lie.
'There's none dso blind as those that refuxse to see '
cancel2 2022
Canceled
I would to see your spit roasted and basted in a Novichok jus.
If your country is ever invaded, feel free to kneel, surrender, and submit, that sounds right up your alley.
his actions are restricted to Ukraine. It's laughable to think he could use his military elsewhere
especially at a NATO state
Ukraine is of absolutely zero strategic importance to the USA
It's not a NATO country,nor is Putin threat to NATO.. so why is the USA leading the charge?
Max Boot knows -it's "our war" -even though it clearly is not
Sitting on our hands, averting our eyes, and doing nothing while totalitarian states brutally invade weaker neighbors is not in the interest of the United States. That was the most important lesson of the 1930s.
Last January, while Biden was warning you of an impending invasion, you said it was laughable to think Putin would invade Ukraine.
Your predictions and prognostications are not very trustworthy.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Fast forward to NATO being the intruder.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sievierodonetsk-falls-russia-160653459.html
Ukrainian forces are withdrawing from the city of Sievierodonetsk, a regional official said Friday, bringing Russia one step closer to total control of Luhansk Oblast.
Luhansk Gov. Serhiy Haidai said the city's infrastructure had been "completely destroyed" and that it "makes no sense to stay," CNN reports. The city's mayor, Oleksandr Stryuk, said Saturday that Sievierodonetsk "is now under the full occupation of Russia."
Russia's next major objective is likely to be Lysychansk, the twin city of Sievierodonetsk located on the opposite side of the Siverskyi Donets River. Russian forces are reportedly attempting to approach Lysychansk from the south, a move that will allow Russian troops to potentially encircle the city and avoid a costly frontal assault across the river.
The U.S.-based Institute for the Study of War assessed Friday that "Ukrainian forces will occupy higher ground in Lysychansk, which may allow them to repel Russian attacks for some time if the Russians are unable to encircle or isolate them."
Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk, both major industrial centers, had a combined pre-war population of around 200,000. Russian forces launched an all-out assault on Sievierodonetsk in late May, using their overwhelming artillery advantage to hammer the city and its surrounding towns.
Should have listened to Rand Paul and insured that the $40 billion was actually going into the defense of Ukraine against the war criminal Putin instead of into the hands of Ukrainian oligarchs which in turn will be slushed back into the pockets of DNC lobbyists.