Sievierodonetsk falls to Russia

[dukkha]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sievierodonetsk-falls-russia-160653459.html

Ukrainian forces are withdrawing from the city of Sievierodonetsk, a regional official said Friday, bringing Russia one step closer to total control of Luhansk Oblast.

Luhansk Gov. Serhiy Haidai said the city's infrastructure had been "completely destroyed" and that it "makes no sense to stay," CNN reports. The city's mayor, Oleksandr Stryuk, said Saturday that Sievierodonetsk "is now under the full occupation of Russia."

Russia's next major objective is likely to be Lysychansk, the twin city of Sievierodonetsk located on the opposite side of the Siverskyi Donets River. Russian forces are reportedly attempting to approach Lysychansk from the south, a move that will allow Russian troops to potentially encircle the city and avoid a costly frontal assault across the river.

The U.S.-based Institute for the Study of War assessed Friday that "Ukrainian forces will occupy higher ground in Lysychansk, which may allow them to repel Russian attacks for some time if the Russians are unable to encircle or isolate them."

Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk, both major industrial centers, had a combined pre-war population of around 200,000. Russian forces launched an all-out assault on Sievierodonetsk in late May, using their overwhelming artillery advantage to hammer the city and its surrounding towns.

 

[dukkha]

Ukrainian shelling on Saturday forced Russian troops to suspend the evacuation of people from a chemical plant in Sievierodonetsk, just hours after Moscow's forces took the city, Tass news agency quoted local police as saying.

The fall of Sievierodonetsk, following weeks of some of the war's bloodiest fighting, is the biggest defeat for Ukraine since it lost control of the southern port of Mariupol in May.

Ukraine called its retreat from the city a "tactical withdrawal" to fight from higher ground in Lysychansk on the opposite bank of the Siverskyi Donets river. Pro-Russian separatists said Moscow's forces were now attacking Lysychansk.

The fall of Sievierodonetsk - once home to more than 100,000 people but now a wasteland - transforms the battlefield in the east after weeks in which Moscow's huge advantage in firepower had yielded only slow gains.

Russia will now seek to press on and seize more ground on the opposite bank, while Ukraine will hope that the price Moscow paid to capture the ruins of the small city will leave Russia's forces vulnerable to counterattack.

President Volodymyr Zelenskiy vowed in a video address that Ukraine would win back the cities it lost, including Sievierodonetsk. But acknowledging the war's emotional toll, he said: "We don't have a sense of how long it will last, how many more blows, losses and efforts will be needed before we see victory is on the horizon."

Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine's military intelligence chief, told Reuters that Ukraine was carrying out "a tactical regrouping" by pulling its forces out of Sievierodonetsk.

"Russia is using the tactic ... it used in Mariupol: wiping the city from the face of the earth," he said.
"Given the conditions, holding the defence in the ruins and open fields is no longer possible.
So the Ukrainian forces are leaving for higher ground to continue the defence operations."

Russia's defence ministry said "as a result of successful offensive operations" Russian forces had established full control over Sievierodonetsk and the nearby town of Borivske.

Oleksiy Arestovych, senior adviser to Zelenskiy, said some Ukrainian special forces were still in Sievierodonetsk directing artillery fire against the Russians. But he made no mention of those forces putting up any direct resistance.

Russia's Interfax news agency cited a representative of pro-Russian separatist fighters saying Russian and pro-Russian forces had entered Lysychansk across the river and were fighting in urban areas there.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-suffers-major-setback-fall-041737414.html

 

[Hawkeye10]

Its going to be interesting to listen to Ukrainians a year after the peace deal goes into effect.

Will America get the majority of the blame for the destruction of Ukraine?

 

[dukkha]

Its going to be interesting to listen to Ukrainians a year after the peace deal goes into effect.

Will America get the majority of the blame for the destruction of Ukraine?

lol
are you kidding? Biden escalates this thing to just this side of direct war with Russia in the hope Russia doesnt go to tac nukes. That's another danger -but the destruction is pulverizaton level rubble

Donbas will be/is a dead zone after the killing is done. Russia gets it's buffer, and Ukraine gets pulverized

 

[Hawkeye10]

lol
are you kidding? Biden escalates this thing to just this side of direct war with Russia in the hope Russia doesnt go to tac nukes. That's another danger -but the destruction is pulverizaton level rubble

Donbas will be/is a dead zone after the killing is done. Russia gets it's buffer, and Ukraine gets pulverized

The Russians are more than fine with Ukraine being rubble.

Its not like the West and the Ukrainians were not warned.

 

[dukkha]

The Russians are more than fine with Ukraine being rubble.
Its not like the West and the Ukrainians were not warned.

the entire shitstorm is a creation of "unipolar" arrogance and Russiaphobic driven policies
coupled with western hegemony over Ukraine.

then the shitstorm blew up... and nobody can stop it. But we'll pay for it

 

[Hawkeye10]

the entire shitstorm is a creation of "unipolar" arrogance and Russiaphobic driven policies
coupled with western hegemony over Ukraine.

then the shitstorm blew up... and nobody can stop it. But we'll pay for it

As the West dies these fucks are still satisfying their bloodlust....nothing can be allowed to get in the way of that.

 

[dukkha]

As the West dies these fucks are still satisfying their bloodlust....nothing can be allowed to get in the way of that.

well bleeding treasure and depleting weapons in eastern Europe over a war of no strategic importance to the USA doesn't help us in the Pacific .
Even the MIC cant keep up production..
I read a quote: a woman says bury her in her back yard, life has become "unbearable"

Russia is putting nuke capable missiles in Belarus

Ukraine accuses Russia of bringing Belarus into war after missile launches from northern neighbor
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-accuses-russia-bringing-belarus-173000286.html

 

[Hawkeye10]

well bleeding treasure and depleting weapons in eastern Europe over a war of no strategic importance to the USA doesn't help us in the Pacific .
Even the MIC cant keep up production..
I read a quote: a woman says bury her in her back yard, life has become "unbearable"

Russia is putting nuke capable missiles in Belarus

Ukraine accuses Russia of bringing Belarus into war after missile launches from northern neighbor
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-accuses-russia-bringing-belarus-173000286.html

As the West caused global famine and depression gather this is a great time to remember that civilizations generally fail because of hubris.

The West is absolutely failing.

 

[moon]

'With the simpering blessings of the United States Israel frequently fires missiles into Syria on the basis it has a right to kill Iranian forces invited there by Damascus.'
The United States believes it to be righteous to assassinate Iranian military personnel legally invited to be in Syria by the legitimate Syrian government.

Any visitors planning to go to Ukraine- particularly Israelis and Americans- should stay at home or proceed with extreme caution.

 

[Bigdog]

Its going to be interesting to listen to Ukrainians a year after the peace deal goes into effect.

Will America get the majority of the blame for the destruction of Ukraine?

We'll get the bill, for sure.

 

[Bigdog]

lol
are you kidding? Biden escalates this thing to just this side of direct war with Russia in the hope Russia doesnt go to tac nukes. That's another danger -but the destruction is pulverizaton level rubble

Donbas will be/is a dead zone after the killing is done. Russia gets it's buffer, and Ukraine gets pulverized

You don't believe that Pootie has done any escalation?

Buffer? ... from what? ... despite Pootie's attack on Ukraine, NATO has not rolled in tanks. Not even declared a no-fly zone.

 

[dukkha]

You don't believe that Pootie has done any escalation?

Buffer? ... from what? ... despite Pootie's attack on Ukraine, NATO has not rolled in tanks. Not even declared a no-fly zone.

Putin did an invasion. i dont know about escalation, that seems to be on Biden and NATO with their constant more and more better and better weapons

The buffer would be from NATO expansion,and hegemonic perch on Ukraine

 

[cancel2 2022]

Putin did an invasion. i dont know about escalation, that seems to be on Biden and NATO with their constant more and more better and better weapons

The buffer would be from NATO expansion,and hegemonic perch on Ukraine

Putin is a monster and needs to hang by his testicles and left to rot.

 

[Bigdog]

Putin did an invasion. i dont know about escalation, that seems to be on Biden and NATO with their constant more and more better and better weapons

The buffer would be from NATO expansion,and hegemonic perch on Ukraine

Crossing the border to invade Ukraine, every Russian advance, and every new city Pootie attacks is an escalation. Pootie has used his best weapons from the start. NATO and Biden should have come in hard and fast right from the start. Not this shit show of trickling in weaponry as Ukrainians continue to die, stretching out this war for months.

As I said, NATO has not rolled in tanks or established a no fly zone. Pootie's expressed fear of NATO is pure propaganda. NATO's actions in response to the war he started have proved that.

 

[dukkha]

Putin is a monster and needs to hang by his testicles and left to rot.

perhaps. but the war didn't have to happen,and our meddling in the Maidan
didn't have to happen,and Russian redlines didnt have to be laughed off.

"war is the ultimate failure of diplomacy" -and Putin did at least go thru channels with the Lavrov letters

NATO is a defensive org,with an aggressive posture intent on eventual NATO membership to Ukraine
Making it a direct threat to Rusian borders.
So these things eventually had a consequence -the invasion -and for Russia yet more NATO expansion

I'm wondering.... where is that off ramp?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Putin is a monster and needs to hang by his testicles and left to rot.

it won't happen.......led by Biden the west will fold, just like the did for Crimea......just like they did for Georgia........just like they did for Syria.......it will be considered a mild incursion, as intended from the start.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

NATO is a defensive org,with an aggressive posture intent on eventual NATO membership to Ukraine
Making it a direct threat to Rusian borders.
So these things eventually had a consequence -the invasion -and for Russia yet more NATO expansion

I'm wondering.... where is that off ramp?

????.....creating aggression because you feel threatened by defense?.......you don't think that's off?......

 

[Bigdog]

perhaps. but the war didn't have to happen,and our meddling in the Maidan
didn't have to happen,and Russian redlines didnt have to be laughed off.

All gov'ts meddle.

Didn't Pootie have a puppet gov't in Ukraine?

Do the Ukrainian people not have a right to defend themselves against Pootie?

 

[dukkha]

Crossing the border to invade Ukraine, every Russian advance, and every new city Pootie attacks is an escalation. Pootie has used his best weapons from the start. NATO and Biden should have come in hard and fast right from the start. Not this shit show of trickling in weaponry as Ukrainians continue to die stretching out this war for months.

As I said, NATO has not rolled in tanks or established a no fly zone. Pootie's expressed fear of NATO is pure propaganda. NATO's actions in response to the war he started have proved that.

JFC BD.
I sure as shit dont want to be in Ukraine. Nor do I GAF about some far eastern European border war
to the point the USA has put up most of the weapons and Europe is finally getting around to providing some.
I dont think you understand just how aggressive the USA has been in Ukraine - we we supposed to leave it a buffer state by the Budapest Memorandum, but IMMEDIATELY got involved in the Maidan street level
to the point Nuland was even trying to manage the new government after Yanukovych.

That as the infamous "Fuck the EU" phone call ....the whole thing has had it bad karma snowball
with mindless Russiaphobia on our part, and as a result thh Crimea annexation,and now the invasion,
and now escalation of our finest weapons -to the point we are running low on inventory.

This isn't about "defending democracy" it's about "degrading" Russia as Austin has said
The warpigs like Max Boot dont pussy foot around -they rightly call it "our war" -fuck that