US COVID Failure

Maybe, but that has nothing to do with our weak COVID response, so it's a topic for a different thread.

What part was weak? The part where we shut down our economy and were forced to stay home and lose our businesses and jobs? Or was the mask mandates or be fired? How about 85% of adults ages 18 and over in the United States that had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, was that weak?

You're a shining caricature of ignorance and stupidity to suggest that we didn't do enough. The notion that a society can defeat a virus is inane and naive.

But alas, we are also a society that seems to not even be bothered by the origin of the virus and the why it got here in the first place. After all, mentioning the "China" virus is xenophobic in halfwit land.
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Currently we are suffering 266 COVID deaths per day.

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:

Heart disease: 696,962
Cancer: 602,350
COVID-19: 350,831
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 200,955
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 160,264
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 152,657
Alzheimer’s disease: 134,242
Diabetes: 102,188
Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,544
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 52,547

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Fentanyl overdoses become No. 1 cause of death among US adults, ages 18-45: 'A national emergency'
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fentanyl-overdoses-leading-cause-death-adults
 
First off, you don't think. You emote moronic lie filled eft wing narratives. More people died under Biden's Presidency even with vaccinations and mandates, than during Trumps.

Liberty is not an option. We don't live in an authoritarian shithole. If you want that, move to Venezuela, Cuba or China. One less lying leftist dunce is better for America.
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Indeed, she lied about this:

Quote Originally Posted by Mina View Post
Biden has at least tried to use the kinds of policies that more successful nations have used to reduce the COVID death toll. Unfortunately, such efforts have been largely thwarted by active resistance among Republicans and conservatives. ***Trump, by comparison, was directly responsible for higher COVID death tolls***, by way of poor leadership (e.g., his super-spreader events, his ridiculing of masking, his hype of snake-oil cures, his encouragement of complacency, and so on).

Liar.

More Americans died of Covid in 2021 (Biden) than 2020 (President Trump).
"The number of COVID-19 deaths recorded so far in 2021 has surpassed the total for 2020."
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...id-19-deaths-/
 
One has to first presume that "Covid deaths" were actually from Covid.


No. The same analysis holds true whether the deaths were direct results of COVID, or instead indirect impacts from poor pandemic policy. For example, say Texas, thanks to its laissez faire approach to COVID, packed its ICU's with COVID patients. And say that, as a result, car accident victims died at much higher rates, since they were denied needed ICU beds and wound up being cared for by exhausted ER personnel. Well, those extra car accident deaths are also an impact from the bone-headed decision to do so little to curb the virus.

There are actually a number of ways those indirect COVID deaths could play out. Take the Great Trump Murder Surge of 2020. That was not spread evenly across the country. The top seven biggest increases in murder in 2020 were in conservative red states, while seven out of eight states that did best were blue states. Coincidence? Conceivably. But several of those states that either had their murder rates drop or rise just a tenth of a point were also ones that had very low excess mortality in 2020, like NH, ME, VT, MA, HI, and RI. It's at least conceivable that COVID, which is known to shrink the brains of its victims, helped to provoke a surge of murder rates by causing brain damage that broke down self control (similar to the way lead poisoning once made us a more violent nation). If so, then the extra murders in some states could be another indirect impact of letting COVID run wild.

One then has to presume that the shots, mask mandates and shutting down millions of businesses throwing millions into the malaise of unemployment, worked.

With an analysis based on comparing excess death percentages, one doesn't have to presume anything about any of those individual policies. One just needs to look at the outcomes. Did mortality rates continue at pre-pandemic levels, or did they rise significantly? If they rose, by how much? Was it a fairly moderate increase, like 3% in Canada. Was it something more serious but manageable, like 8% in Massachusetts? Or was it a catastrophic die off, like 27% in Arizona? We can, of course, debate which particular decisions let one place outperform others. But step one is being honest about the existence of that out-performance.

There was no science

There was a vast amount of science -- hundreds of published studies. If what you mean to say is "I'm much lazy to have reviewed the science" then just come out and say that. But you just look goofy trying to deny the fact the science exists.

this has been a political football not an effort to save lives or prevent disease

Actually, what you're angry about is the exact opposite issue. While moral people around the world were focused on saving lives and preventing disease, you and the wingnuts were throwing a hissy fit because nobody wanted to run with your political football and focus on playing the blame game for how the disease got started.
 
Indeed, she lied about this:

Quote Originally Posted by Mina View Post
Biden has at least tried to use the kinds of policies that more successful nations have used to reduce the COVID death toll. Unfortunately, such efforts have been largely thwarted by active resistance among Republicans and conservatives. ***Trump, by comparison, was directly responsible for higher COVID death tolls***, by way of poor leadership (e.g., his super-spreader events, his ridiculing of masking, his hype of snake-oil cures, his encouragement of complacency, and so on).

Liar.

More Americans died of Covid in 2021 (Biden) than 2020 (President Trump).
"The number of COVID-19 deaths recorded so far in 2021 has surpassed the total for 2020."
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...id-19-deaths-/

As you can see, even after being repeatedly challenged to identify a lie, you've failed to do so, and you've had to fall back on referencing an opinion that makes you sad, rather than an actual misstatement of fact. Obviously, the facts you're quoting would prove me a liar if I had said, say, that there were more COVID deaths in 2020 than in 2021. But that's not what I said, so instead it's just a goofy non sequitur.
 
The recent high school graduate (no GED for her):

***Trump, by comparison, was directly responsible for higher COVID death tolls***

Spin, Missy, spin.

Liar.

More Americans died of Covid in 2021 (Biden) than 2020 (President Trump).
"The number of COVID-19 deaths recorded so far in 2021 has surpassed the total for 2020."
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...id-19-deaths-/
 
First off, you don't think.

I do, indeed, and that's why I trigger these sobbing emotional outbursts of yours. Since my posts are based on facts and figures and logical analysis, you're at a loss for what to say in response, and so all you can do is formlessly emote your frustration. It's pathetic.
 
I do, indeed, and that's why I trigger these sobbing emotional outbursts of yours. Since my posts are based on facts and figures and logical analysis, you're at a loss for what to say in response, and so all you can do is formlessly emote your frustration. It's pathetic.

Are you afraid of the big bad Truth Detector, Missy?
 
It was little green aliens hand-cranking generators, obviously.

Reread the thread, halfwit. The absurdity was the claim batteries can't recharge on Mars. It's what I was lampooning.

I'm sorry dumbass, but resorting with child like absurdity doesn't make you look smart. In fact, you're incredibly stupid and your smarmy remarks highlight that ignorance and stupidity. :palm:
 
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for which we are eternally grateful.

She's afraid of you, big bad Truth Detector.
 
No. The same analysis holds true whether the deaths were direct results of COVID, or instead indirect impacts from poor pandemic policy. For example, say Texas, thanks to its laissez faire approach to COVID, packed its ICU's with COVID patients. And say that, as a result, car accident victims died at much higher rates, since they were denied needed ICU beds and wound up being cared for by exhausted ER personnel. Well, those extra car accident deaths are also an impact from the bone-headed decision to do so little to curb the virus.

There are actually a number of ways those indirect COVID deaths could play out. Take the Great Trump Murder Surge of 2020. That was not spread evenly across the country. The top seven biggest increases in murder in 2020 were in conservative red states, while seven out of eight states that did best were blue states. Coincidence? Conceivably. But several of those states that either had their murder rates drop or rise just a tenth of a point were also ones that had very low excess mortality in 2020, like NH, ME, VT, MA, HI, and RI. It's at least conceivable that COVID, which is known to shrink the brains of its victims, helped to provoke a surge of murder rates by causing brain damage that broke down self control (similar to the way lead poisoning once made us a more violent nation). If so, then the extra murders in some states could be another indirect impact of letting COVID run wild.

With an analysis based on comparing excess death percentages, one doesn't have to presume anything about any of those individual policies. One just needs to look at the outcomes. Did mortality rates continue at pre-pandemic levels, or did they rise significantly? If they rose, by how much? Was it a fairly moderate increase, like 3% in Canada. Was it something more serious but manageable, like 8% in Massachusetts? Or was it a catastrophic die off, like 27% in Arizona? We can, of course, debate which particular decisions let one place outperform others. But step one is being honest about the existence of that out-performance.

There was a vast amount of science -- hundreds of published studies. If what you mean to say is "I'm much lazy to have reviewed the science" then just come out and say that. But you just look goofy trying to deny the fact the science exists.

Actually, what you're angry about is the exact opposite issue. While moral people around the world were focused on saving lives and preventing disease, you and the wingnuts were throwing a hissy fit because nobody wanted to run with your political football and focus on playing the blame game for how the disease got started.

Another incredibly stupid rant. States with the highest per capita Covid deaths were the states with the strictest mandates. New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts. Texas and Florida are 23rd and 24th. Your claims are gibberish. I know, Trump man bad, Biden good. Halfwit. :palm:

https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/public-health/covid-19-death-rates-by-state/
 
I understand that I make sense to intelligent people. I would imagine I'd be quite confusing to the morons, though.

Wrong, you make ZERO sense whatsoever. All we are getting from leftist halfwits like you is tantamount to.....BUT TRUMP! Run along halfwit. :palm:
 
I do, indeed, and that's why I trigger these sobbing emotional outbursts of yours. Since my posts are based on facts and figures and logical analysis, you're at a loss for what to say in response, and so all you can do is formlessly emote your frustration. It's pathetic.

trust me when I say this, you're a nobody. I would have to care to get emotional. :palm:

de·lu·sion (dĭ-lo͞o′zhən)
n.
A false belief or perception that is a manifestation of a mental illness
A false belief or opinion: labored under the delusion that success was at hand.
 
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