US COVID Failure

ThatOwlWoman said:
This pandemic and its handling in America will be the subject of many future scholarly papers. It was the perfect storm of an incompetent egotistical buffoon at the top, and a pool of dupes willing to believe any nonsensical crap flowing from his blowhole. Trump instantly politicized a disease that cares not for your political POV, with the help of the propagandists at Fox, OAN, etc. In Florida and other states this is still going on. FL leads the country currently in new infections, yet its Trumpian governor threatened the Special Olympics with millions of dollars ($75M) in fines if they mandated vaccines for competitors and others attending. History will not treat DiSantis or Trump kindly.
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Yes. Trump's politicization of it continues to have a lasting impact. Why is it, for example, that pretty much every lefty on boards like this will take positions on the virus that are in line with what nearly all the global health officials are saying, while pretty much every right-winger will take an assortment of counter-factual and even downright looney positions? It comes down to politicization. It didn't have to be that way. With better leadership from the start, conservatives could have been mobilized to kick this disease's ass, the same as the rest of us. But Trump saw a benefit in using the virus as a wedge.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
....the nearly non-lethal... variation
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Currently we are suffering 266 COVID deaths per day. Imagine for a moment we were suffering a 9/11-magnitude terrorist attack every month. That would be killing Americans at about the same rate as this variant of COVID. Now imagine some nutter characterized that terrorist campaign as "nearly non-lethal."

Keep in mind that at the current pace, COVID would kill about 97,000 of us in a year. The deadliest modern flu killed 61,000 in a year. This is far from "nearly non-lethal," even now. And that's in June, which in 2020 and 2021 was a weather-related lull in the pandemic. If we follow past patterns, we're about to see a big ramp up in places like Florida.

by the way, you are more likely to be stabbed in NYC than to die of corona virus in Florida......
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Even taking Florida's own systematically under-reported COVID death numbers, 74,715 Floridians have died of COVID. To put that in perspective, about 917 New Yorkers were murdered in 2020. At that pace, it would take about 81 years for New York to suffer as many deaths from murder as Florida has already suffered from COVID.

Even the real shit-hole states -- conservative states with sky-high murder rates, like MS, LA, AL, MO, AR, and SC, suffer deaths from murder at far below the rate they've been suffering them from COVID.
 
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LurchAddams said:
I just wish the Repukes had picked another topic to be assholes about.
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Me, too. But, let's be honest: they're assholes about everything these days. With pretty much any issue that comes down the pike, their first and only thought is how to harness is for political advantage.
 
Mina said:
Me, too. But, let's be honest: they're assholes about everything these days. With pretty much any issue that comes down the pike, their first and only thought is how to harness is for political advantage.
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Again, the Repukes are like a sociopathic boyfriend... their attitude is: "If I can't have an all Christian, all white America with no gays then I'm gonna burn the whole thing down".

People like Bannnon.. that's their attitude. Sick shit, my friend.
 
Mina said:
Sweden isn't a very good analog for the US, since it's relatively isolated. A better comparison for Sweden are its own neighbors: Norway, Finland, and Denmark. Sweden has had 1,004 cumulative excess deaths per million residents. Norway has had 418, Finland 889, and Denmark 300. Sweden was actually doing even worse, relative to its neighbors, back in 2020, when they tried their catastrophic "let's just let the virus run wild and see what happens" policy. But, fortunately, they eventually realized that was a tragically stupid move, and when vaccines showed up, they adopted them aggressively. 75% of Swedes are fully vaccinated against COVID, which isn't far behind Finland and Denmark, and is actually ahead of Norway. By comparison, in the US it's just 67%. That Swedish campaign of mass vaccination meant that they compared just fine to their neighbors in 2021, so all that increased excess mortality we see relative to those neighbors for the pandemic as a whole is just the lasting impact of the harm they did themselves back in 2020.
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"we coulda been a Swede!"......
 
Mina said:
Currently we are suffering 266 COVID deaths per day. Imagine for a moment we were suffering a 9/11-magnitude terrorist attack every month. That would be killing Americans at about the same rate as this variant of COVID. Now imagine some nutter characterized that terrorist campaign as "nearly non-lethal."

Keep in mind that at the current pace, COVID would kill about 97,000 of us in a year. The deadliest modern flu killed 61,000 in a year. This is far from "nearly non-lethal," even now. And that's in June, which in 2020 and 2021 was a weather-related lull in the pandemic. If we follow past patterns, we're about to see a big ramp up in places like Florida.



Even taking Florida's own systematically under-reported COVID death numbers, 74,715 Floridians have died of COVID. To put that in perspective, about 917 New Yorkers were murdered in 2020. At that pace, it would take about 81 years for New York to suffer as many deaths from murder as Florida has already suffered from COVID.

Even the real shit-hole states -- conservative states with sky-high murder rates, like MS, LA, AL, MO, AR, and SC, suffer deaths from murder at far below the rate they've been suffering them from COVID.
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I guess the current per day statistics (which is what we've been discussing here) don't carry enough angst for your argument......I accept that.......but probably you should go peddle your fear mongering among the lib'ruls who like that sort of shit......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I guess the current per day statistics (which is what we've been discussing here) don't carry enough angst for your argument......
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Reread. I discussed those, specifically. But, if you'd like to take this particular snapshot, that's fine. About 25 Floridians are dying of COVID per day, in terms of the average over the last seven days. That's ten times as many people as are being murdered in New York State in an average day. And it's getting worse, with 48 Floridians having died of COVID just yesterday.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
no sun for solar recharging on Mars?....tell us more....
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The dust hanging in the carbon dioxide atmosphere gets all over the solar panels and there's no one to clean it off. Plus the cold and acid clouds are too extreme for anything mechanical yet we're told they remained operational for 10 or 15 years.
 
Mina said:
Reread. I discussed those, specifically. But, if you'd like to take this particular snapshot, that's fine. About 25 Floridians are dying of COVID per day, in terms of the average over the last seven days. That's ten times as many people as are being murdered in New York State in an average day. And it's getting worse, with 48 Floridians having died of COVID just yesterday.
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the statistics online are 7, not 25 or 48.....
 
Mina said:
Fortunately, COVID vaccines have proven to be very safe in children. What isn't safe is COVID itself. It has killed 1,086 children in the US, alone. That's more than 30 years of school shootings combined!
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You are clearly an idiot.

Or yet another liar.
 
LurchAddams said:
You're nothing but an evil troll so miserable that you're drinking yourself to death that you're trying to make everyone else as miserable as you.

You are trash.
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I don't believe that you could possibly be this stupid...the claim is not credible.

I live my life in full Party Mode.

Its obvious.
 
Mina said:
Most people don't grasp the sheer magnitude of the US's failure when it comes to COVID. When you look at how many extra deaths we've had, during the pandemic, versus what we would have expected given pre-pandemic mortality rates, it makes so many other things we worry about look trivial -- like a rounding error in the big picture. Whether we're talking school shootings or terrorism or war deaths, so much of what we fret about just doesn't come close.

Over a period of this length, we should have had about 6.5 million deaths, based on pre-pandemic mortality rates. Instead, we've had about 7.6 million. That 1.1 million extra deaths, thanks to COVID, is 17% mortality elevation. Much of that was avoidable. Japan and Germany, the next two biggest wealthy nations, had excess deaths of 0% and 4%, respectively. Canada, arguably the nation that's closest to us in terms of level of isolation and cultural issues, had 3%. Even within the US, some individual states managed to have much lower mortality elevation, despite dense populations and little isolation, like Massachusetts at a little under 8%.

So, think about what that would mean if we, as a nation, had managed to do as well as Canada.... or even just Massachusetts. We'd be talking about a death toll somewhere between 200,000 and 500,000, instead of 1.1 million. Thus, we can say the cost of our failure, was something like 750,000 extra deaths.

Now, compare that to the kinds of issues we spend so much time discussing (and remember, I'm not counting all COVID deaths... just those we could realistically have avoided merely by performing on par with most advanced societies.)

Wars? 7,051 US soldiers died in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. That's not even a week's worth of COVID deaths. In fact, you could add all the Americans killed in every war in our history, other than the Civil War, and not reach 750,000. Think about that: Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, WWII, WWI, the Spanish-American War, the Mexican War, 1812, the Revolutionary War, countless Indian Wars and police actions, all totaled, and still fewer dead than than the mortality caused by our incompetence in handling COVID.

Terrorism? Well, our extra COVID death toll is like suffering a 9/11 attack every single month for 20 straight years. Every four days or so, on average, our incompetent handling of COVID was killing more Americans than all the terrorist attacks in history combined.

School shootings? At the current rate of school homicides (36/year), the 750,000 who needlessly died because we botched COVID response is like nearly 21,000 years of such school massacres.
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Yeah, Biden has certainly fucked up COVID and killed a lot of Americans with his lies. Thanks for pointing that what a useless fuck he is.
 
Sailor said:
Yeah, Biden has certainly fucked up COVID and killed a lot of Americans with his lies. Thanks for pointing that what a useless fuck he is.
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The people who run America now are not useless, they are EVIL, they are actively destroying America.
 
Mina said:
Most people don't grasp the sheer magnitude of the US's failure when it comes to COVID. When you look at how many extra deaths we've had, during the pandemic, versus what we would have expected given pre-pandemic mortality rates, it makes so many other things we worry about look trivial -- like a rounding error in the big picture. Whether we're talking school shootings or terrorism or war deaths, so much of what we fret about just doesn't come close.

Over a period of this length, we should have had about 6.5 million deaths, based on pre-pandemic mortality rates. Instead, we've had about 7.6 million. That 1.1 million extra deaths, thanks to COVID, is 17% mortality elevation. Much of that was avoidable. Japan and Germany, the next two biggest wealthy nations, had excess deaths of 0% and 4%, respectively. Canada, arguably the nation that's closest to us in terms of level of isolation and cultural issues, had 3%. Even within the US, some individual states managed to have much lower mortality elevation, despite dense populations and little isolation, like Massachusetts at a little under 8%.

So, think about what that would mean if we, as a nation, had managed to do as well as Canada.... or even just Massachusetts. We'd be talking about a death toll somewhere between 200,000 and 500,000, instead of 1.1 million. Thus, we can say the cost of our failure, was something like 750,000 extra deaths.

Now, compare that to the kinds of issues we spend so much time discussing (and remember, I'm not counting all COVID deaths... just those we could realistically have avoided merely by performing on par with most advanced societies.)

Wars? 7,051 US soldiers died in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. That's not even a week's worth of COVID deaths. In fact, you could add all the Americans killed in every war in our history, other than the Civil War, and not reach 750,000. Think about that: Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, WWII, WWI, the Spanish-American War, the Mexican War, 1812, the Revolutionary War, countless Indian Wars and police actions, all totaled, and still fewer dead than than the mortality caused by our incompetence in handling COVID.

Terrorism? Well, our extra COVID death toll is like suffering a 9/11 attack every single month for 20 straight years. Every four days or so, on average, our incompetent handling of COVID was killing more Americans than all the terrorist attacks in history combined.

School shootings? At the current rate of school homicides (36/year), the 750,000 who needlessly died because we botched COVID response is like nearly 21,000 years of such school massacres.
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There's not much more we could've done for you, Mina, without destroying the economy. I mean, i get that your side would STILL rather have us permanently masked, distanced, and confined to our basements with places of business continuing with closures, but that's not how Americans want it.

Sometimes you just have to settle with a "fuck you" as a response to your absurdities.
 
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