White Racism and Gun Control

[Mina]

Here's an excellent article from Salon.com about the changing role of white racism in the gun control debate:

https://www.salon.com/2022/06/08/wh...ed-black-men-meant-immediate-control_partner/

Basically, although we're used to white racists today being very anti-gun-control, based on their idea they need to be packing heat at all times to secure themselves against the threat from "those people," that wasn't always the case. Once upon a time Ronald Reagan and the NRA were pro-gun control, and a major driver of that sentiment was fear of what Black people might do if they were allowed to walk around with guns. The first major gun control in California, for example, was a direct response to members of the Black Panthers exercising their open-carry rights in a way that spooked racists like Reagan.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

 

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Here's an excellent article from Salon.com about the changing role of white racism in the gun control debate:

https://www.salon.com/2022/06/08/wh...ed-black-men-meant-immediate-control_partner/

Basically, although we're used to white racists today being very anti-gun-control, based on their idea they need to be packing heat at all times to secure themselves against the threat from "those people," that wasn't always the case. Once upon a time Ronald Reagan and the NRA were pro-gun control, and a major driver of that sentiment was fear of what Black people might do if they were allowed to walk around with guns. The first major gun control in California, for example, was a direct response to members of the Black Panthers exercising their open-carry rights in a way that spooked racists like Reagan.

Another incredibly stupid race hustling opinion piece. Getting your information from salon.com might explain your uninformed positions.

This isn't about the NRA. It isn't about white racism or supremacists, which you could basically place in a proverbial thimble of the population. This isn't about scary looking guns. This is about a false, lie fille narrative in a desperate attempt to deflect away from the devastating crime that impacts the black community in Democratically controlled urban shit holes.

It isn't even about police brutality. The police are the ONLY thing standing between a young black from getting murdered by another young black person.

Most gun deaths in America are from suicide. Most gun deaths are not committed with the scary looking AR15. Most are from handguns. Most gun murders are committed by criminal urban thugs in leftist cities that refuse to incarcerate them.

When someone attempts to blame the police, the NRA or white people, it is obvious they are either lying and promoting a false narrative, or just plain stupid.

The notion that MORE laws against law abiding gun owners will make criminals think twice about killing are moronic, naive and downright dangerous.

We already have a ton of laws aimed at law abiding citizens. You have to fill out a questionnaire and have a background check done. You have to wait 15 days. Murder is a capital offense. What makes anyone with even half a brain believe that MORE laws will stop someone who wants to murder others? Particularly lunatics who murder children in classrooms?

 

[Guno צְבִי]

 

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Another stupid, lie filled race hustling narrative promoted by morons, ignoramuses and mental cases.

The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that prohibited public carrying of loaded firearms without a permit as a result of the black panthers using them to intimidate people. Are you saying that you're okay with people walking around with loaded firearms? Would you be okay with white armed individuals marching on state capitols?

Dumbass.

 

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So you're okay with armed individuals marching into state capitals? That's rather amusing coming from low IQ leftists who think that the January 6th protests were the greatest threat to democracy known to man.

You're stupid and a hypocrite.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

Another incredibly stupid race hustling opinion piece. Getting your information from salon.com might explain your uninformed positions.

This isn't about the NRA. It isn't about white racism or supremacists, which you could basically place in a proverbial thimble of the population. This isn't about scary looking guns. This is about a false, lie fille narrative in a desperate attempt to deflect away from the devastating crime that impacts the black community in Democratically controlled urban shit holes.

It isn't even about police brutality. The police are the ONLY thing standing between a young black from getting murdered by another young black person.

Most gun deaths in America are from suicide. Most gun deaths are not committed with the scary looking AR15. Most are from handguns. Most gun murders are committed by criminal urban thugs in leftist cities that refuse to incarcerate them.

When someone attempts to blame the police, the NRA or white people, it is obvious they are either lying and promoting a false narrative, or just plain stupid.

The notion that MORE laws against law abiding gun owners will make criminals think twice about killing are moronic, naive and downright dangerous.

We already have a ton of laws aimed at law abiding citizens. You have to fill out a questionnaire and have a background check done. You have to wait 15 days. Murder is a capital offense. What makes anyone with even half a brain believe that MORE laws will stop someone who wants to murder others? Particularly lunatics who murder children in classrooms?

So Reagan and the mulford act was fake

 

[Guno צְבִי]

Another stupid, lie filled race hustling narrative promoted by morons, ignoramuses and mental cases.

The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that prohibited public carrying of loaded firearms without a permit as a result of the black panthers using them to intimidate people. Are you saying that you're okay with people walking around with loaded firearms? Would you be okay with white armed individuals marching on state capitols?

Dumbass.

Yep white people doing it= ok

Black people = intimidating

 

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So Reagan and the mulford act was fake

STRAWMAN alert! Where did I say they were fake, halfwit?

 

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Yep white people doing it= ok

STRAWMAN alert! Who said it was okay? You're the halfwit race hustler that seems to be claiming that armed black panthers threatening the California capital is A OK.

The law that was passed is color blind halfwit race hustler. It applies to everyone.

Now answer my questions. Are you saying that you're okay with people walking around with loaded firearms? Would you be okay with white armed individuals marching on state capitols?

 

[Matt Dillon]

"Here's an excellent article from Commies "R' Us"; Please read the Communist agitprop."”

Nice try, comrade Minavovich! Have any articles that promote American ideals and not The Communist Party of America's?

Black Americans should have every right to own firearms. They're Americans and have been since before the country even started.

They didn't all come here as slaves, either; That's a bunch of project 1619 bullshit.

Here's a good article: "Black woman shoots man dead with pistol because he was trying to kill kids."

https://wchstv.com/news/local/victim-hospitalized-in-charleston-shooting

Americans are tired of not being able to protect themselves. Fuck that "Gun Free Zone" shit. Which asshat did that anyway? A-HA! Papa Bush, what a fucking asshole!



There never was that back in the day and there weren't very many mass shootings, either.



And about the OP source:

"These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports, and omit information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. "

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/salon/

 

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Yep white people doing it= ok

Black people = intimidating

STRAWMAN alert! Where did the law specifically call out people's race? I missed that part halfwit racer hustler.

 

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OP: "Here's an excellent article from Commies "R' Us"; Please read the Communist agitprop."

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Rather than go through that whole article and its disjointed rambling diatribe against firearms, I'll give one example of how it is disingenuous and wrong all at once.

While in Texas a violent criminal on the federal no-fly terrorist watch list is welcome to buy a dozen assault weapons from the back of a car and go shoot up a school, in California you can't buy a gun if you've been convicted of any violent crime whatsoever, even a misdemeanor like a bar fight.

Got news for that article's author... Criminals and others bent on using guns in illegal ways can easily buy a gun out of the back of a car in California--albeit illegally--just as they can in Texas, or New York, or anywhere else. Criminals don't give a shit about the legalities only the money.

What the author does in that paragraph is conflate legal and illegal gun sales in a way as to satisfy his chosen conclusion rather than taking a dispassionate and neutral approach.

 

[Earl]

Nice try, comrade Minavovich![/

http://www.tylersculpture.com/pages/tyler fragments.htm

 

[Mina]

This is about a false, lie fille narrative in a desperate attempt to deflect away from the devastating crime that impacts the black community in Democratically controlled urban shit holes.

What lie, specifically, do you think you see? From what I gather on this site, "lie," to a right-winger, just means "argument that hurts my feelings." But we'll see if that's right. Was there a particular fact reported in that Salon piece that you think is incorrect?

 

[Mina]

Criminals and others bent on using guns in illegal ways can easily buy a gun out of the back of a car in California--albeit illegally--just as they can in Texas, or New York, or anywhere else. Criminals don't give a shit about the legalities only the money.

In any state or country, a sufficiently determined person can get his or her hands on a gun. But how determined the person has to be varies based on gun control factors. In a country like Japan, with very tight gun control, it's a huge and risky effort, so most criminals don't bother. Their murder rate is about a twentieth what ours is. In the US, there are states where guns are extremely easy to obtain, and ones where they're more difficult. That difference shows up in our murder rates, as well. Our worst murder rates are in Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri, and Arkansas. Care to guess if they're high- or low-gun-control states?

As for California, it's a relative success story on that front. Its murder rates aren't ultra-low, to be sure (e.g., compared to New England), but they're lower than average for our country: 30th in the nation, specifically. And that's despite grappling with what would ordinarily be considered factors driving up the risk of murder. For example, it's our nation's most urbanized state. 95% of all Californians live in cities, and usually urbanization is considered a risk factor for violent crime. It's also an extremely ethnically diverse state, which increases the chances for cultural friction. And it has a very low median age, meaning a disproportionate share of the population is in its peak crime years. So, why, with all those challenges, is the California murder rate not a lot higher? I think gun control helps to explain it.

 

[Matt Dillon]

In any state or country, a sufficiently determined person can get his or her hands on a gun. But how determined the person has to be varies based on gun control factors. In a country like Japan, with very tight gun control, it's a huge and risky effort, so most criminals don't bother. Their murder rate is about a twentieth what ours is. In the US, there are states where guns are extremely easy to obtain, and ones where they're more difficult. That difference shows up in our murder rates, as well. Our worst murder rates are in Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri, and Arkansas. Care to guess if they're high- or low-gun-control states?

As for California, it's a relative success story on that front. Its murder rates aren't ultra-low, to be sure (e.g., compared to New England), but they're lower than average for our country: 30th in the nation, specifically. And that's despite grappling with what would ordinarily be considered factors driving up the risk of murder. For example, it's our nation's most urbanized state. 95% of all Californians live in cities, and usually urbanization is considered a risk factor for violent crime. It's also an extremely ethnically diverse state, which increases the chances for cultural friction. And it has a very low median age, meaning a disproportionate share of the population is in its peak crime years. So, why, with all those challenges, is the California murder rate not a lot higher? I think gun control helps to explain it.

I think you think wrong. I think lack of testosterone in the males and being super-skinny in CA is the coolest thing there explains it.

Speaking of CA; How's that recall of the Soros-funded DA going?

You know, the one that gave thieves a license to steal?

 

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Another incredibly stupid race hustling opinion piece. Getting your information from salon.com might explain your uninformed positions.

This isn't about the NRA. It isn't about white racism or supremacists, which you could basically place in a proverbial thimble of the population. This isn't about scary looking guns. This is about a false, lie fille narrative in a desperate attempt to deflect away from the devastating crime that impacts the black community in Democratically controlled urban shit holes.

It isn't even about police brutality. The police are the ONLY thing standing between a young black from getting murdered by another young black person.

Most gun deaths in America are from suicide. Most gun deaths are not committed with the scary looking AR15. Most are from handguns. Most gun murders are committed by criminal urban thugs in leftist cities that refuse to incarcerate them.

When someone attempts to blame the police, the NRA or white people, it is obvious they are either lying and promoting a false narrative, or just plain stupid.

The notion that MORE laws against law abiding gun owners will make criminals think twice about killing are moronic, naive and downright dangerous.

We already have a ton of laws aimed at law abiding citizens. You have to fill out a questionnaire and have a background check done. You have to wait 15 days. Murder is a capital offense. What makes anyone with even half a brain believe that MORE laws will stop someone who wants to murder others? Particularly lunatics who murder children in classrooms?

What lie, specifically, do you think you see? From what I gather on this site, "lie," to a right-winger, just means "argument that hurts my feelings." But we'll see if that's right. Was there a particular fact reported in that Salon piece that you think is incorrect?

It's impossible to read with your eyes closed. But hey, I get it. When someone points out what an uninformed, dishonest leftist dumbass you are, of course your response would be tantamount to "nuh uh." Dismissed.

 

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In any state or country, a sufficiently determined person can get his or her hands on a gun. But how determined the person has to be varies based on gun control factors. In a country like Japan, with very tight gun control, it's a huge and risky effort, so most criminals don't bother. Their murder rate is about a twentieth what ours is. In the US, there are states where guns are extremely easy to obtain, and ones where they're more difficult. That difference shows up in our murder rates, as well. Our worst murder rates are in Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri, and Arkansas. Care to guess if they're high- or low-gun-control states?

As for California, it's a relative success story on that front. Its murder rates aren't ultra-low, to be sure (e.g., compared to New England), but they're lower than average for our country: 30th in the nation, specifically. And that's despite grappling with what would ordinarily be considered factors driving up the risk of murder. For example, it's our nation's most urbanized state. 95% of all Californians live in cities, and usually urbanization is considered a risk factor for violent crime. It's also an extremely ethnically diverse state, which increases the chances for cultural friction. And it has a very low median age, meaning a disproportionate share of the population is in its peak crime years. So, why, with all those challenges, is the California murder rate not a lot higher? I think gun control helps to explain it.

gib•ber•ish (ˈdʒɪb ər ɪʃ, ˈgɪb-)
n.
1. meaningless or unintelligible talk or writing; nonsense.
2. talk or writing containing many obscure, pretentious, or technical words.

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjugated races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjugated races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police.” -

Adolf Hitler

“One man with a gun can control 100 without one.” – Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.” – Mao Tze Tung

“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.”
– Joseph Stalin

“The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. … They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results.”
– Benito Mussolini, address to the Italian Senate, 1931

“Armas para que? (“Guns, for what?”)”
A response to Cuban citizens who said the people might need to keep their guns, after Castro announced strict gun control in Cuba.
– Fidel Castro