Ukraine needs to face reality to end conflict, talk to Putin: Zelenskyy

Just a bit of reality: Putin is being offered every possible offramp. He could take his winning and end all this. But that would require him to accept Ukraine will survive, and releasing his troops. When he releases his troops to go home, they will say what a failure this war has been. So Putin will keep fighting, and Ukraine will keep fighting. Such is life.
 
Walt said:
Just a bit of reality: Putin is being offered every possible offramp. He could take his winning and end all this. But that would require him to accept Ukraine will survive, and releasing his troops. When he releases his troops to go home, they will say what a failure this war has been. So Putin will keep fighting, and Ukraine will keep fighting. Such is life.
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" Just a bit of reality " ??
Walt, the Russians now occupy about one-fifth of all of Ukraine and they're advancing towards Odessa- the taking of which would asphyxiate the Zelenskies if they could manage it.
As Odessa is key- why do you continue to maintain that it's all over for Russia ? You sound like the potty-mouthed pseudo-Ukrainian, Cypress.
 
moon said:
The future is Unity, you poor sap, not division.

You're a neanderthal

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Fucking idiot!
 
dukkha said:
ROFL
how do you propose to sell that to Putin who holds the advantage in those areas??
He's doesnt want a cease-fire, he wants recognition this (areas you mentioned) is now fully Russian territory
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Easy. Ukraine and the international community never recognized Putin's land grab of Crimea.

If you and and Putin are dreaming and hoping that Ukraine will somehow submit to you and recognize Donbass to be sovereign Russian territory, it ain't going to happen. Ukraine will not willingly give up it's territory.

At the very best, Putin will have to make a play for a frozen conflict where he illegally keeps Russian troops entrenched in defensive positions in Donbass and subject to constant attack.
 
Cypress said:
Easy. Ukraine and the international community never recognized Putin's land grab of Crimea.

If you and and Putin are dreaming and hoping that Ukraine will somehow submit to you and recognize Donbass to be sovereign Russian territory, it ain't going to happen. Ukraine will not willingly give up it's territory.

At the very best, Putin will have to make a play for a frozen conflict where he illegally keeps Russian troops entrenched in defensive positions in Donbass and subject to constant attack.
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then why would Putin take a cease fire? Zelensky is making noises because he sees the east slipping away.
Putin doesnt need recognition,he wants territory to buffer against the west
 
Walt said:
Just a bit of reality: Putin is being offered every possible offramp. He could take his winning and end all this. But that would require him to accept Ukraine will survive, and releasing his troops. When he releases his troops to go home, they will say what a failure this war has been. So Putin will keep fighting, and Ukraine will keep fighting. Such is life.
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Putin hasnt been offered anything. Next is longer range rockets to hit Russia proper ( see previous page) -
Thats a Russian "redline" -hitting Russia proper
Putin has every incentive to take as much as he can get
 
dukkha said:
then why would Putin take a cease fire? Zelensky is making noises because he sees the east slipping away.
Putin doesnt need recognition,he wants territory to buffer against the west
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It's hard to believe you ever thought Ukraine was just going to submit and legally recognize captured territory as sovereign Russian soil.

If our country is ever invaded by a powerful alliance of authoritarian states, I fully expect you and your MAGA buddies to be the first to unfurl the white flag and give up our territory


The off ramp for Putin is to either withdraw and participate in a negotiated settlement, or brace himself for a permanent frozen conflict that will keep Russia locked in as a as a permanent pariah state and bleed their military and economy for decades to come
 
Cypress said:
It's hard to believe you ever thought Ukraine was just going to submit and legally recognize captured territory as sovereign Russian soil.

If our country is ever invaded by a powerful alliance of authoritarian states, I fully expect you and your MAGA buddies to be the first to unfurl the white flag and give up our territory


The off ramp for Putin is to either withdraw and participate in a negotiated settlement, or brace himself for a permanent frozen conflict that will keep Russia locked in as a as a permanent pariah state and bleed their military and economy for decades to come
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nothing to do with 'MAG" it's all about war.
a "frozen conflict" is acceptable to putin as he's already sanctioned up the yin yang

He doesnt need a functional Donbas. he needs territory between him and NATO/Ukraine
( no difference at this point)
Zelensky says "we need to talk" - then escalates the war with missiles that can reach deeper into Russia
with the boob Biden being his weapons lackey

If Ukraine wants Russia to stop - even long range missiles - it has to give Putin a buffer
whether Donbas is livable or not is secondary. . For Putin this is all about carving a buffer to the west
 
dukkha said:
nothing to do with 'MAG" it's all about war.
a "frozen conflict" is acceptable to putin as he's already sanctioned up the yin yang
He doesnt need a functional Donbas. he needs territory between him and NATO/Ukraine
( no difference at this point)
Zelensky says "we need to talk" - then ecalates the war with missles that can reach deeper into Russia with the boob Biden being his weapons lackey

If Ukraine wants Russia to stop - even long range missiles - it has to give Putin a buffer
whether Donbas is livable or not is secondary. . For Putin this is all about carving a buffer to the west
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So you openly admit Putin never gave a rat's ass about the welfare of the Russian-speaking citizens of Donbass and just wanted their territory for his own militaristic and imperialistic agenda.


No wonder nobody trusts Putin's word anymore. Even you are openly indicating he is a duplicitous liar.
 
Cypress said:
So you openly admit Putin never gave a rat's ass about the welfare of the Russian-speaking citizens of Donbass and just wanted their territory for his own militaristic and imperialistic agenda.


No wonder nobody trusts Putin's word anymore. Even you are openly indicating he is a duplicitous liar.
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Putins ultimate need is as strategic buffer from NATO-especially now that Ukraine has advanced NATO weapons
He wants "deNazification" -some of that is true, some just rhetoric
He would like a land corridor to Crimea as well,and has that

Ukraine want to to rebuild, but escalates the war.. i dont see anything close to a cease fire yet
 
“If the occupiers think that Lyman or Sievierodonetsk will be theirs, they are wrong.
Donbas will be Ukrainian.” -Zelensky
 
Cypress said:
So you openly admit Putin never gave a rat's ass about the welfare of the Russian-speaking citizens of Donbass and just wanted their territory for his own militaristic and imperialistic agenda.
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No, comrade. The loyal Russian-speaking Ukrainians will be rewarded. A rebuilt Mariupol will rise from the rubble, a glittering new ecologically-sound capital city for the reborn region of Russian Ukrainia. Rejoice, comrade, for the advent of a Nazi-free modern Putopia .
 
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