Congress should immediately debate and vote AUMF on Ukraine

I bet we do. Bio-labs run under the authority of the DoD. I can't prove anything but an educated guess tells me we have SpecOps at the very least in the Ukraine right now.
Modern batlefield requires much less but better trained force, we have been doing that long before the war
(another reason Putin called Uk a "red line" for Russia)

If it's worth it to be there in a minute number -sure we'll take that "opportunity"
with some kind of deniable plausibility cooked up
 
It ain't easy to dig up goal posts and shift them like that all by your lonesome. That's hard work Walt. I hope it's worth it to you.

Presidents have the right to release secret information. Biden is giving it to a country that is being invaded. trump gave secret information to an enemy of the USA.
 
the scale of magnitude make the comparison absurd.
We've sent 1/3 of our JAVELIN - most advanced optical self guidance/ it nullified Russian armor.
Stinger to take out low flying,, Howitzers, long range artillery, the kitchen sink..
30 billion or more of all our advanced weapons and supplies along with target cooperation with Uk armed forces

Not one of those weapons could hurt Russian forces who were not invading Ukraine.

And, Congress has approved the transfers.
 
Not one of those weapons could hurt Russian forces who were not invading Ukraine.

And, Congress has approved the transfers.
i am not answering off topic attempt to discuss the need for an AUMF
I've showed in great detail it's not just about weapons..
 
New York Times claimed this week that the United States is providing real-time battlefield intelligence to Ukraine that has enabled the Ukrainians to target and kill approximately a dozen Russian generals, and helped locate and strike the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea fleet last month.

Described as a “classified effort,” the U.S. provision of targeting intelligence to Ukraine “also includes anticipated Russian troop movements gleaned from recent American assessments of Moscow’s secret battle plan for the fighting in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine,” according to the Times.

The Times’ reporting relies on anonymous “senior American officials,” but if true it represents a sharp and unprecedented escalation of U.S. involvement in the Russo-Ukrainian war, such that Congress should immediately debate and vote on whether to authorize the use of military force in Ukraine.

Indeed, providing real-time targeting intelligence brings the United States right up to the line of belligerence, and arguably over it. The Biden administration seems to understand this. According to the Times, the administration “has sought to keep much of the battlefield intelligence secret, out of fear it will be seen as an escalation and provoke President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia into a wider war.”

The White House is right to fear this outcome, because it’s entirely possible that Putin will absolutely consider this level of battlefield participation by the United States tantamount to an act of war. That’s no doubt why the Biden administration snapped into damage control mode after the Times story about targeting intelligence published on Wednesday.

Adrienne Watson, a National Security Council spokeswoman, criticized the Times’ headline and said in a statement that battlefield intelligence was not provided to the Ukrainians “with the intent to kill Russian generals.” Asked about the Times report on Thursday, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby echoed Watson: “We do not provide intelligence on the location of senior military leaders on the battlefield or participate in the targeting decisions of the Ukrainian military.”

Then on Thursday evening, a second Times story dropped, again sourced to anonymous senior administration officials, detailing how U.S. intelligence helped Ukraine confirm the location of the Russian flagship Moskva, which on April 13 was hit by Ukrainian forces on the ground with two Neptune missiles and eventually sank. The Moskva is the largest warship sunk since World War Two, and a significant loss for the Russian Navy. Some U.S. officials cited by the Times said the American intelligence was “crucial” to the sinking of the Moskva.

The news coincides with reports earlier this week that Russia’s highest-ranking general and chief of the general staff, Valery Gerasimov, was wounded while visiting the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine. (According to the Times, the strike that wounded Gerasimov was conducted without the aid of U.S. intelligence.)

n addition to intelligence sharing, the United States is now providing Ukraine with new and better weapons, including heavy artillery, state-of-the-art tactical drones, and armored vehicles. And that’s just for starters. Last week President Biden asked Congress to authorize $33 billion in weapons funding for Ukraine, on top of the billions we’ve already provided. If the past few months are any indication, as the war drags on we will furnish Ukraine with increasingly advanced (and expensive) weaponry and weapons systems.

It’s time to have a debate about all this in Congress, so the representatives of the American people can at least have a say in the matter before we stumble into war with Russia over Ukraine.
https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/0...ttlefield-intel-congress-needs-to-vote-on-it/

Why would they do that? Fuck the NYT, they lie alla time.

"Trump removed MLK Jr. bust from the Oval Office", for instance.

One of their their reporters was arrested for publishing classified info along with the leaker who leaked it to him. They're doing Federal time right now.

Fuck the NYT.
 
Presidents have the right to release secret information. Biden is giving it to a country that is being invaded. trump gave secret information to an enemy of the USA.

You mean like missile tech given to China? Who did that, Sparky?
 
China is shutting down extremely. They are looking at their first modern recession... EVER!!! People are openly rioting for the first time in 30+ years. This is extremely bad for China.

It's mainly the fault of tRump and his un-American repuke insurgency of a shithole for the following reasons:

Trump’s Global Recession

Trump remains in office, it is difficult to envisage any credible international effort to resolve the financial crisis caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. As a result, there is now every reason to expect a long and severe global recession.

WASHINGTON, DC – On Monday, February 24, with stock markets close to all-time highs, the world was suddenly thrown into a financial crisis as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. And ever since, international leaders have been making the worst of a bad situation. On March 6, Russia and Saudi Arabia started an oil-price war, which shook global markets further. And Trump’s televised address on March 11, in which he announced a suspension of most travel from Europe to the United States, brought the crisis to an entirely new height and plunged financial markets into unmitigated panic.

The combination of a coronavirus-induced growth slowdown and worldwide financial panic means that a global recession this year is virtually certain. But recession might soon be the least of our worries.

Financial crashes follow a clear logic in both their evolution and resolution, as Charles Kindleberger taught us in his seminal book Manias, Panics, and Crashes: A History of Financial Crises. Argentina and Lebanon have already defaulted on their foreign debts since the COVID-19 outbreak. Major corporate bankruptcies will likely come next. Travel companies and airlines are natural candidates, but failures often come in surprising areas.

After a few big bankruptcies and sovereign defaults, the world is likely to face a liquidity freeze, as it did in September 2008, following Lehman Brothers’ bankruptcy. A liquidity freeze typically hits periphery countries that have their own currencies, which will collapse – prompting a flight to the dollar and the euro.

Although it is very difficult to restore confidence once financial panic has erupted, the resolution of the 2008 crisis offers important lessons for policymakers today. True, that crisis originated in the financial sector, which now appears to be much better capitalized, and policymakers back then had no pandemic to contend with. Nonetheless, the fundamental lessons remain the same."

https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...d19-global-recession-by-anders-aslund-2020-03

Additionally, as a result of the beforementioned tRump and repuke disastrous effect on the national and global economy and against the well being of humanity too, I truly have great respect for President Biden and his team emerging by the will of the unobstructed 2020 majority of the U.S. as a force to accomplish tremendous efforts at dealing with the dilemma dumped on Team Biden by the worst and most fraudulent so-called administration in U.S. history that being the tRump curse.
 
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i am not answering off topic attempt to discuss the need for an AUMF

We do not need to authorize military operations that do not exist, because they do not exist. If Biden wants to send military troops into Ukraine, then he should get a AUMF first, but he does not want to.
 
that would require using a proxy for a proxy war ..lol

good you are aware of the "slippery slope" and yes these are nukes so there is no room for error
you can make up you own mind what we shoud be doing -or not

But most Americans are still just getting the Zelensky star treatment.
Zelensky was an actor who lives and plays the part well, so most don' think past that
to 'WFT is all this going on'
Truthfully i wonder how many in Congress are thinking critically of a Big Deal like a hot war conflicting with Russia

The media sticks with the maps and Zelensky never detailing US OPs/partnerships
People need to find out -Congressional hearings are called for

Did Zelensky attack Russia, or was it Russia attacking Ukraine?
Love him or hate him, he has balls, unlike our current administration.
No one needs to know the specifics. Neither does Russia.
 
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