Russia warns Sweden and Finland against Nato membership

[moon]

Nothing NATO did, nothing Boris Johnson did, nothing Barack Obama did forced Putin to commit the worst war crimes seen in Europe since Adolph Hitler.

Nothing NATO did forced Vlad Putin to commit to reducing once vibrant Ukranian cities to smouldering piles of ash.

Vlad Putin's Russia is a dangerous and criminal rogue state we have to be on high alert against, including the expansion of NATO and it's military capabilities.

Who has reduced the most cities to ' smouldering piles of ash '- NATO or Putin ?

Right- so it shouldn't be difficult for you to understand why Russia does not want NATO as a nuke-bristling neighbor.
Zelensky invited NATO in, took NATO's weapons, spoke with NATO's voice. Zelensky is NATO.

 

[Cypress]

Who has reduced the most cities to ' smouldering piles of ash '- NATO or Putin ?

Right- so it shouldn't be difficult for you to understand why Russia does not want NATO as a nuke-bristling neighbor.
Zelensky invited NATO in, took NATO's weapons, spoke with NATO's voice. Zelensky is NATO.

"Kosovo, Bosnia call for NATO membership as war rages in Ukraine"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/nato-membership-indispensable-for-kosovo-bosnia-leaders

 

[dukkha]

Nothing NATO did, nothing Boris Johnson did, nothing Barack Obama did forced Putin to commit the worst war crimes seen in Europe since Adolph Hitler.

Nothing NATO did forced Vlad Putin to commit to reducing once vibrant Ukranian cities to smouldering piles of ash.

Vlad Putin's Russia is a dangerous and criminal rogue state we have to be on high alert against, including the expansion of NATO and it's military capabilities.

i never used the words "NATO forced the war"
I've said numerous times NATO expansion (etc.) was the predicate for the war

 

[dukkha]

Vlad Putin's Russia is a dangerous and criminal rogue state we have to be on high alert against, including the expansion of NATO and it's military capabilities.

crazed neocon logic.
The fact you are seriously trying to pass Russia off a a threat to NATO is insane warmongering

And waste of forces, when China is the global threat

 

[Jarod]

Maybe somebody will actually listen to them this time.

We really should obey Russia's commands and let them be in charge, good idea.

 

[Cypress]

crazed neocon logic.
The fact you are seriously trying to pass Russia off a a threat to NATO is insane warmongering

And waste of forces, when China is the global threat

It's really hard for you to admit that there was always some justification for Russophobia, isn't it?

Clear evidence now that Putin's Russia is a criminal rogue state.

 

[Cypress]

i never used the words "NATO forced the war"
I've said numerous times NATO expansion (etc.) was the predicate for the war

Vladimir Putin has wanted Ukraine brought back into the fold as Moscow's vassal state since the 1990s.

NATO, Barack Obama, and Boris Johnson do not enter that equation. At best, it is a secondary grievance.

 

[moon]

i never used the words "NATO forced the war"
I've said numerous times NATO expansion (etc.) was the predicate for the war

Cypress is prone to ' errors ' of representation.

 

[moon]

We really should obey Russia's commands and let them be in charge, good idea.

Sure- of their own country and their own backyard. Same with China.

Yanqui- go home.

 

[moon]

"Kosovo, Bosnia call for NATO membership as war rages in Ukraine"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/nato-membership-indispensable-for-kosovo-bosnia-leaders

They clearly would benefit from a change of government.

 

[Airstrip One]

The Romans didn't seem to have a problem spending on Infrastructure. Does it seem to you that nations that refuse to spend on Infrastructure don't last very long?

Is infrastructure spending what deters invasion, or is it defense spending? When sensible people craft infrastructure bills (like the Romans), they actually budget for physical infrastructure, and not all of that unrelated crap that was in the Build Back Better bill. But, I'm sure you fully supported all of that fraud, waste, and abuse.

 

[danielpalos]

Is infrastructure spending what deters invasion, or is it defense spending? When sensible people craft infrastructure bills (like the Romans), they actually budget for physical infrastructure, and not all of that unrelated crap that was in the Build Back Better bill. But, I'm sure you fully supported all of that fraud, waste, and abuse.

Defense spending without infrastructure spending is not what the Romans did. Why do right-wingers advocate for the opposite?

 

[Airstrip One]

Defense spending without infrastructure spending is not what the Romans did. Why do right-wingers advocate for the opposite?

Who is more against infrastructure: people who want to limit spending bills with tight controls, or people who want to pass spending bills that primarily go to pay off special interests?

 

[dukkha]

It's really hard for you to admit that there was always some justification for Russophobia, isn't it?

Clear evidence now that Putin's Russia is a criminal rogue state.

address the point.
1.Russia in no way could ever attack a NATO state and not get hammered for doing so
I'm sure i dont need to explain why

2. China -not Russia -is the global threat.
Russia doesn't have any reach beyond Europe (except hypersonic missiles and bombers)
and partners with China - no threat there either to Asia.

And to repeat it again so maybe we can stop going over the game ground,. I don't pin the actual war on anyone but Putin. He made a terrible mistake for Russia and for the suffering Ukraine people.

But that doesn't absolve NATO from their role (NATO expansion, uber-militarization of Ukraine,sending vast amounts of aid to a pro-western and encouraging Kyiv to go up against Russia)

all this could have been avoided. Putin has been saying for years this was unacceptable
It's not like he suddenly decided to reconstitute the USSR - Ukraine was the (needless) thorn in his side
NATO was there to stick it to him - not a "defensive posture" as the Russiaphobes claim

 

[dukkha]

Vladimir Putin has wanted Ukraine brought back into the fold as Moscow's vassal state since the 1990s.

NATO, Barack Obama, and Boris Johnson do not enter that equation. At best, it is a secondary grievance.

Ukraine is an existential threat to Russia as a NATO weapons armed pro-west state
willing to act as a proxy war for NATO

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Is infrastructure spending what deters invasion, or is it defense spending? When sensible people craft infrastructure bills (like the Romans), they actually budget for physical infrastructure, and not all of that unrelated crap that was in the Build Back Better bill. But, I'm sure you fully supported all of that fraud, waste, and abuse.

Both. Even militias need roads to use getting to the front lines. Defense in this case would be to have roads and bridges to effectively transport defenses where they are needed but also retaining the ability to blow those bridges or block those roads if necessary.

Consider South Korea's concrete "overpasses" which are gigantic concrete blocks which can be blown to block the road. Infrastructure coupled with defense.

https://www.stripes.com/news/s-kore...here-remain-part-of-defense-strategy-1.106886

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Ukraine is an existential threat to Russia as a NATO weapons armed pro-west state
willing to act as a proxy war for NATO

Putin is an existential threat so he must be murdered. So are you, but a tourist boat trip off shore should fix that. LOL

 

[Airstrip One]

Both. Even militias need roads to use getting to the front lines. Defense in this case would be to have roads and bridges to effectively transport defenses where they are needed but also retaining the ability to blow those bridges or block those roads if necessary.

Consider South Korea's concrete "overpasses" which are gigantic concrete blocks which can be blown to block the road. Infrastructure coupled with defense.

https://www.stripes.com/news/s-kore...here-remain-part-of-defense-strategy-1.106886

I'm trying to break it down for Danny one concept at a time (which is still futile, but, whatevs). Just by studying Caesar's movement across rivers is enough to educate the mind about infrastructure in a wartime environment.

 

[Walt]

Russia warns Sweden and Finland against Nato membership

Putin threatens the Baltic States, but does not invade them because they are in NATO. That is a strong warning to join NATO and avoid Russia invading.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm trying to break it down for Danny one concept at a time (which is still futile, but, whatevs). Just by studying Caesar's movement across rivers is enough to educate the mind about infrastructure in a wartime environment.

No comment on Danny’s ability to learn.

Caesar is a good example. Another is the Ukrainian ass kicking being given by them to the Russians.