Russia warns Sweden and Finland against Nato membership

It was valid for pro-Europeans. The pro-Russians clearly didn't think much of a pro-American comedian as their president.

Like you- I get my info. from reports. If those reports are horseshit then we're both talking horse-apples like everybody else here. The proof of the pudding will be just how much of a victory Putin wants. He has to re-make friends with Europe when it's over. That's likely one reason that there's still a Kiev- although dumbasses are claiming that as a Ukrainian victory.

Running away from your claim that Crimea would have voted pro Russian in the Ukranian election after you claimed they were part of Russia?

By the way, whenever a group decides to boycott an election, they normally announce it so everyone who is supposed to boycott will boycott. I would love to see news reports from 2019 calling for the boycott you claim existed. At this point you are just throwing the shit against the wall that you don't eat first.
 
Running away from your claim that Crimea would have voted pro Russian in the Ukranian election after you claimed they were part of Russia?

What is this ' running away ' crap ? You're not making any sense. Elucidate or fuck off.


By the way, whenever a group decides to boycott an election, they normally announce it so everyone who is supposed to boycott will boycott. I would love to see news reports from 2019 calling for the boycott you claim existed. At this point you are just throwing the shit against the wall that you don't eat first.

You're a moron. The Donbas broke away five years before that election. By the time of the 2019 election Ukraine was deep in civil war- and YOU think the election was representative.
Please, don't come back- you don't have a grip.
 
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What is this ' running away ' crap ? You're not making any sense. Elucidate or fuck off.




You're a moron. The Donbas broke away five years before that election. By the time of the 2019 election Ukraine was deep in civil war- and YOU think the election was representative.
Please, don't come back- you don't have a grip.

9 million people don't live in the Donbas. Zellenskyy won by over 9 million votes. Are you incapable of doing simple math? The election was valid and no amount of your lying will change that. If the Donbas had voted then Zellinskyy would have still won by over 6 million votes. Claiming the election is not what the Ukrainian people wanted because the Donbas was not part of the election is complete idiocy on your part. A sixth grader can do the math to show your argument is stupid.

You claimed Ukraine has always been a part of Russia. Why should parts of Russia be able to vote in an election in Ukraine? Once again, this proves that the Ukranian election in 2019 was exactly what the majority of the people in Ukraine wanted. They were not upset about your alleged coup from 5 year earlier. This was the second election since those events.

You have provide no evidence of any boycott of the election which you tried to claim. You have provided no evidence of fraud in the 2019 election. You have provided no evidence to show any possible way the election would have turned out different and yet you keep claiming it was not a valid election and not the true wishes of the Ukranians. Time for you to step up to the plate and provide some evidence. Your shit throwing is just as bad as your shit eating. Both are disgusting to watch and they don't put you in a good light.
 
ha.
NATO expansion is mindless and aggressive, But since Putin went to war nobody wwants to think like that
Yes it's more of the same that was the predicate for this

No, what has been proven is that you were completely wrong in your claims that Putin's Russia was just a sleeping bear that wanted to be left alone.

Putin's Russia is not only a rogue state, but it is openly engaging in the worst crimes against humanity in Europe since the 1940s.

The practitioners of Russophobia were closer to the mark than you ever imagined.

The smartest thing Lithuania and Estonia ever did was join NATO.

Given the criminal aggression of Putin's Russia, it is entirely reasonable for Finland and Sweden to join NATO. The only thing probably stopping Austria from joining is that they are geographically untouchable by conventional Russian military forces.
 
9 million people don't live in the Donbas. Zellenskyy won by over 9 million votes. Are you incapable of doing simple math? The election was valid and no amount of your lying will change that. If the Donbas had voted then Zellinskyy would have still won by over 6 million votes. Claiming the election is not what the Ukrainian people wanted because the Donbas was not part of the election is complete idiocy on your part. A sixth grader can do the math to show your argument is stupid.

You can't hold an election during a civil war. The opposition cannot canvas for fear of reprisal and voters are scared to visit ballot boxes. That much is obvious- and there are certainly many other factors . I appreciate your efforts to defend the election result - following a US-led illegal coup and a pro-US puppet president- but it's clear to any non-aligned observer that you are a mendacious wretch , conditioned to support any anti-Russian smears and to back-slap any scurrilous puppet promoting the NATO horseshit.

You claimed Ukraine has always been a part of Russia.
Now you're just floundering and making stuff up. Better still, I name you as a liar.

You have provide no evidence of any boycott of the election which you tried to claim. You have provided no evidence of fraud in the 2019 election. You have provided no evidence to show any possible way the election would have turned out different and yet you keep claiming it was not a valid election and not the true wishes of the Ukranians. Time for you to step up to the plate and provide some evidence. Your shit throwing is just as bad as your shit eating. Both are disgusting to watch and they don't put you in a good light.

The evidence is the ongoing civil war, dumbass. You really are far more stupid than you think
 
No, what has been proven is that you were completely wrong in your claims that Putin's Russia was just a sleeping bear that wanted to be left alone.

Putin's Russia is not only a rogue state, but it is openly engaging in the worst crimes against humanity in Europe since the 1940s.

The practitioners of Russophobia were closer to the mark than you ever imagined.

The smartest thing Lithuania and Estonia ever did was join NATO.

Given the criminal aggression of Putin's Russia, it is entirely reasonable for Finland and Sweden to join NATO. The only thing probably stopping Austria from joining is that they are geographically untouchable by conventional Russian military forces.
absolutely revisionism
You completely dismiss Lavrov sending 3 letters begging for Russian security needs to be
taken at face value. Instead Biden/Blinken just laughed them off with warnings against Putin.

If we hadn't been promising NATO membership (on and off) egging on Kviv to be come pro-west
instead of even what the Budapest Memorandum called for - an independent Ukraine
not in either Russia or the west's camp, we could have negotiated with Putin

Instead we meddled in the Euromaidan,helped foment revolution against the Ukraine president
(causing the Crimean annexation) and then constantly ran warships and bombers over Russian restricted.
All Cold War 2 provocations.

I'll say it again until you understand it and internalize it: "war is the ultimate failure of diplomacy"
Putin wanted to negotiate - we refused. we wanted to play Cold War 2 games instead.
we were content to jam up Putin,and never calculated the costs to do it

I've warned for years this is the path to confrontation -and it was thru the proxy war in Ukraine
 
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You can't hold an election during a civil war. The opposition cannot canvas for fear of reprisal and voters are scared to visit ballot boxes. That much is obvious- and there are certainly many other factors . I appreciate your efforts to defend the election result - following a US-led illegal coup and a pro-US puppet president- but it's clear to any non-aligned observer that you are a mendacious wretch , conditioned to support any anti-Russian smears and to back-slap any scurrilous puppet promoting the NATO horseshit.
It's nice that you can speculate to support your claims. Do you have any actual evidence?
Zelenskyy got a higher vote total than the Russian backed winner in the 2010 election. That is a fact.
Zelenskyy won the election by over 9 million votes. Also a fact.
In the first round of the election Zelenskyy got more than 3 million more votes than the third place candidate so even if 100% of Donbas had voted, Zelenskyy would have been in the final election. Also a fact.
Subtracting Crimea and the Donbass regions, the voter turnout in 2019 was only a few percentage points less than the 2010 election. Also a fact.
I can find no media reports of anyone calling for a boycott of the 2019 election. Donbas didn't vote because they were actively conducting a civil war but the Donbas region does not have enough votes to overcome the 9 million vote victory. Also a fact.
Over 2,000 election observers from 17 countries were in Ukraine for the election. There were no reports of election fraud or corruption that would have changed the outcome from those observers
I haven't posted any NATO bullshit. I simply posted facts about the 2019 election. I didn't speculate about the 2019 election or why it turned out like it did. I only posted facts.

The above facts can only lead to one conclusion. Zelenskyy was the overwhelming choice of Ukranians even if you include the Donbas region and assume they would have voted 100% for a Russian candidate.


Now you're just floundering and making stuff up. Better still, I name you as a liar.
I hardly think I made up this:
Crimea was always Russian, right back before the Crimean war of the British fighting the Russians for it. It was temporarily part of Ukraine due to some illegal mischief on the part of Kruschev. The Crimeans saw/see themselves as Russian. If NATO hadn't continued to push eastwards perhaps Putin would have left it as it was.
You clearly said it. I didn't make it up. You might want to apologize for calling me a liar for stating "you want to claim Crimea is not part of Ukraine."
Clearly you said that "Crimea was always Russian." If Putin hadn't invaded Russia maybe the election would have turned out different but the invasion was the fault of Putin.

The evidence is the ongoing civil war, dumbass. You really are far more stupid than you think
The ongoing civil war is not evidence of anything about the election. Your speculation about votes not occurring that would have overturned the election is ridiculous based on the facts in evidence. Facts beat speculation every day in the free world. The civil war may have made the Ukranians not in Donbass more likely to vote to get away from Russia but that speculation would again defeat your speculation. Based on facts alone, you have none. I have presented several that lead to one conclusion and one conclusion only unless one is willing to ignore those facts and rely solely on speculation.
 
absolutely revisionism
You completely dismiss Lavrov sending 3 letters begging for Russian security needs to be
taken at face value. Instead Biden/Blinken just laughed them off with warnings against Putin.

If we hadn't been promising NATO membership (on and off) egging on Kviv to be come pro-west
instead of even what the Budapest Memorandum called for - an independent Ukraine
not in either Russia or the west's camp, we could have negotiated with Putin

Instead we meddled in the Euromaidan,helped foment revolution against the Ukraine president
(causing the Crimean annexation) and then constantly ran warships and bombers over Russian restricted.
All Cold War 2 provocations.

I'll say it again until you understand it and internalize it: "war is the ultimate failure of diplomacy"
Putin wanted to negotiate - we refused. we wanted to play Cold War 2 games instead.
we were content to jam up Putin,and never calculated the costs to do it

I've warned for years this is the path to confrontation -and it was thru the proxy war in Ukraine
.The criminal rogue state Putin is ruling has invaded it's neighbors three times in the last 14 years, Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine.

There is no other rogue state on the planet which has invaded neighboring countries with such frequency -- not North Korea, not Iran, not China, not Venezuela, not Cuba.


Attempting to blame NATO for Vlad's record of criminal invasions and war crimes doesn't even remotely pass the laugh test anymore
 
I hardly think I made up this:

You clearly said it. I didn't make it up. You might want to apologize for calling me a liar for stating "you want to claim Crimea is not part of Ukraine."
Clearly you said that "Crimea was always Russian."


Yes, I said the Crimea was always Russian, you turkey- NOT that Ukraine was always Russian, as you claimed. You're a liar.


Poor Dick;
You claimed Ukraine has always been a part of Russia.

You must be drunk. Get lost.
 
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.The criminal rogue state Putin is ruling has invaded it's neighbors three times in the last 14 years, Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine.

There is no other rogue state on the planet which has invaded neighboring countries with such frequency -- not North Korea, not Iran, not China, not Venezuela, not Cuba.

Once again- you ignore the Israeli elephant in the room.

The people of South Ossetia, Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk weren't invaded by Russia- they ASKED to be defended by Russia in their fight for independence from oppressive, pro-NATO governments.
 
Once again- you ignore the Israeli elephant in the room.

The people of South Ossetia, Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk weren't invaded by Russia- they ASKED to be defended by Russia in their fight for independence from oppressive, pro-NATO governments.

One-sided Kremlin propaganda

Several large Ukranian cities reduced to piles of smoking ash completely undermines your credibility.
 
Moon at Karaoke last weekend......


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Cypress;
One-sided Kremlin propaganda

Several large Ukranian cities reduced to piles of smoking ash completely undermines your credibility.


Yet again- you ignore the Israeli elephant in the room.
 
.The criminal rogue state Putin is ruling has invaded it's neighbors three times in the last 14 years, Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine.

There is no other rogue state on the planet which has invaded neighboring countries with such frequency -- not North Korea, not Iran, not China, not Venezuela, not Cuba.


Attempting to blame NATO for Vlad's record of criminal invasions and war crimes doesn't even remotely pass the laugh test anymore
just blather. you ignore NATO expansion, hyper-militarizing Uk, dangling NATO membership -
(taking it off the table/putting it back on), refusal to negotiate with Russia after being asked numerous times

Your post is meaningless. You might as well be working for Ukrainian propaganda.

Oh. and Crimea was not an "invasion"
 
It's domestic infrastructure that deters Putin from invading his neighbours, doncha know?
The Romans didn't seem to have a problem spending on Infrastructure. Does it seem to you that nations that refuse to spend on Infrastructure don't last very long?
 
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just blather. you ignore NATO expansion, hyper-militarizing Uk, dangling NATO membership -
(taking it off the table/putting it back on), refusal to negotiate with Russia after being asked numerous times

Your post is meaningless. You might as well be working for Ukrainian propaganda.

Oh. and Crimea was not an "invasion"
Nothing NATO did, nothing Boris Johnson did, nothing Barack Obama did forced Putin to commit the worst war crimes seen in Europe since Adolph Hitler.

Nothing NATO did forced Vlad Putin to commit to reducing once vibrant Ukranian cities to smouldering piles of ash.

Vlad Putin's Russia is a dangerous and criminal rogue state we have to be on high alert against, including the expansion of NATO and it's military capabilities.
 
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