Russia warns Sweden and Finland against Nato membership

archives said:
Crimea was because Putin wanted it, and saw the opportunity, whatever technical or quasilegal excuse you can come up with is just RT rationalizations, it was on Putin's radar for a long time
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Crimea was always Russian, right back before the Crimean war of the British fighting the Russians for it. It was temporarily part of Ukraine due to some illegal mischief on the part of Kruschev. The Crimeans saw/see themselves as Russian. If NATO hadn't continued to push eastwards perhaps Putin would have left it as it was.

And Putin has been working to pass off the Ukraine as a corrupt incompetent country for a long time, even had Trump convinced, why do you think the Nazism stereotyping is part of his crusade
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Don't say that you're another denier of Ukrainian neo-Nazism ?
 
moon said:
Crimea was always Russian, right back before the Crimean war of the British fighting the Russians for it. It was temporarily part of Ukraine due to some illegal mischief on the part of Kruschev. The Crimeans saw/see themselves as Russian. If NATO hadn't continued to push eastwards perhaps Putin would have left it as it was.



Don't say that you're another denier of Ukrainian neo-Nazism ?
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So does that mean Alaska better start watching out? That Seward screwed the Russians a century and half ago? Large sections of Czarist Russia were all part of Russia at one time, but that doesn't mean that what applied them is realistic today

And now it is "neo-Nazi," somehow I found it strange that just the term Nazi really related anyone other than the Boomers in Russia, but "neo-Nazi" has to really confound them.

Out of curiosity, what exactly is a "neo-Nazi?"
 
archives said:
So does that mean Alaska better start watching out? That Seward screwed the Russians a century and half ago? Large sections of Czarist Russia were all part of Russia at one time, but that doesn't mean that what applied them is realistic today
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In yesterday's money and conditions Alaska was a fair swap.

And now it is "neo-Nazi," somehow I found it strange that just the term Nazi really related anyone other than the Boomers in Russia, but "neo-Nazi" has to really confound them.

Out of curiosity, what exactly is a "neo-Nazi?"
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They can't be old Nazis, can they. They're all dead. Also the geographical aims are different. Same with Neo-Zionism. All the original Zionist bastards are back with Beelzebub.

Check out the Azovs if you want the goods on Ukrainian Neo-Nazism. There are books written about them- mostly in the factual horror section.
 
moon said:
In yesterday's money and conditions Alaska was a fair swap.



They can't be old Nazis, can they. They're all dead. Also the geographical aims are different. Same with Neo-Zionism. All the original Zionist bastards are back with Beelzebub.

Check out the Azovs if you want the goods on Ukrainian Neo-Nazism. There are books written about them- mostly in the factual horror section.
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Now is that the voluntary force that has been fighting Russia's puppet army in Southern Ukraine for the last six or seven years?

Understandable why Putin would make them the poster boys for his crusade, but again, can't believe it really sells anywhere other than the proPutin apologists, in Russia, and elsewhere, not like Zelenskyy is a card carrying member of Azovs
 
archives said:
Now is that the voluntary force that has been fighting Russia's puppet army in Southern Ukraine for the last six or seven years?

Understandable why Putin would make them the poster boys for his crusade, but again, can't believe it really sells anywhere other than the proPutin apologists, in Russia, and elsewhere, not like Zelenskyy is a card carrying member of Azovs
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He used them as support in Greece recently, on a recruitment drive. There's a thread on it.
 
moon said:
He used them as support in Greece recently, on a recruitment drive. There's a thread on it.
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And Putin has used them as his scapegoat to generalize a rationalization to invade a neighboring country, and no one needs a thread to prove that
 
moon said:
Electorates frequently boycott elections. What incentive is there to vote when an external agency- the USA- can oust your choice ? America is a democracy-killer.
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Except you have the problem that 60% of the electorate voted. Then you have over 2,000 election observers that saw no problems with the election. Zellenskyy got more votes than the winning candidate in the 2010 election when the pro-Russian candidate you claim was ousted in a coup won.
Your speculation of tens of millions of pro-Russian voters not voting is not supported by any facts. And you still haven't addressed your claim that those living in the Crimea who are considered Russians didn't vote.
 
moon said:
Crimea was always Russian, right back before the Crimean war of the British fighting the Russians for it.
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That only provides more evidence that Ukraine's 2019 vote was valid if you want to claim Crimea is not part of Ukraine. Since Crimea is not part of Ukraine they have no standing to vote in a Ukranian election.
 
archives said:
And Putin has used them as his scapegoat to generalize a rationalization to invade a neighboring country, and no one needs a thread to prove that
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His reasoning is NATO encroachment. ' De-Nazification ' is just a bonus.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
That only provides more evidence that Ukraine's 2019 vote was valid if you want to claim Crimea is not part of Ukraine. Since Crimea is not part of Ukraine they have no standing to vote in a Ukranian election.
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It was valid for pro-Europeans. The pro-Russians clearly didn't think much of a pro-American comedian as their president.

Like you- I get my info. from reports. If those reports are horseshit then we're both talking horse-apples like everybody else here. The proof of the pudding will be just how much of a victory Putin wants. He has to re-make friends with Europe when it's over. That's likely one reason that there's still a Kiev- although dumbasses are claiming that as a Ukrainian victory.
 
moon said:
It was valid for pro-Europeans. The pro-Russians clearly didn't think much of a pro-American comedian as their president.

Like you- I get my info. from reports. If those reports are horseshit then we're both talking horse-apples like everybody else here. The proof of the pudding will be just how much of a victory Putin wants. He has to re-make friends with Europe when it's over. That's likely one reason that there's still a Kiev- although dumbasses are claiming that as a Ukrainian victory.
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Now you are just making excuses for Putins total and complete failure to invade and capture Ukraine.
 
floridafan said:
Now you are just making excuses for Putins total and complete failure to invade and capture Ukraine.
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You speak as if the war is over and Russia lost. We've got the ' chemical weapons' horseshit to go through yet, then the false flag ops in NATO territory and any other ruses that the Neo-Nazis can drum up to start WW3. Don't be a premature joculator.
 
moon said:
You speak as if the war is over and Russia lost. We've got the ' chemical weapons' horseshit to go through yet, then the false flag ops in NATO territory and any other ruses that the Neo-Nazis can drum up to start WW3. Don't be a premature joculator.
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You post one pathetic lie after another. Best you just move to Russia, comrade
 
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