How far do we go to defend Ukraine?

anatta said:
granted the Republicans have some Cracker Jack nutcases like Lindsey Graham
( who invoked the ghost of John Mccain yesterday)

But I dont hear anyone talking about a path to peace, or the need for mediated talks.
it's all wardrums all the time
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Putin is setting the tone on that.

What have the Russians shown to indicate that they're ready to make concessions? They want the Ukraine. All of it.
 
anatta said:
granted the Republicans have some Cracker Jack nutcases like Lindsey Graham
( who invoked the ghost of John Mccain yesterday)

But I dont hear anyone talking about a path to peace, or the need for mediated talks.
it's all wardrums all the time
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Ukraine is begging for a Cease Fire every day.
 
reagansghost said:
new instructions have been issued throughout the bubble: forget about trying to spin Putin's and T****'s behavior as 'Zalensky was asking for it', or 'most Ukrainians want Putin there', or Putin is just stopping the Nazi takeover'...whatever. The new deal is 'Biden just isn't being tough enough on Putin, he's a weak leader'......we're seeing more and more Trumpers actually bashing Putin now, like every patriotic American has been doing daily from the git. real-time revisionism, write the script as you go and air it on Fox
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That’s what it seems like.
 
reagansghost said:
exactly...........various GOP senators started screaming for no-fly zones about a week back as I recall, they really don't care if a WWIII-style ground war were to develop.....it's literally just another reason to attack Biden, even the world's survival is fair game in their party-over-country (everything actually) world
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your made up shit is made up.....
 
Jarod said:
My wife’s very Pro Trump family is starting to criticize Biden for not doing enough to defend Ukraine. These are people who just a few months ago were defending Putin….

So, while I am starting to see a trend of Republicans starting to complain about Biden not doing enough, I’m interested… should we be doing more? Where is the line? What should the US do?
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How was your wife’s family “defending” the pooter? Be specific for once, because I’ve never heard anyone defend him at all. And the demented twinkle puff-in-chief a) should have imposed ALL the sanctions at once on day one of this totally optional conflict, and b) he should have pulled an operation warp speed with those Polish MiG-29s, and if pooty poot would have shit his diapers, maybe joe could have reminded him of all the lend-lease fighters we gave stalin in WW2.
 
Brad** said:
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So Biden don’t s doing a good job?
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Drinking again?
 
ExpressLane said:
I sincerely doubt your in-laws ever defended Putin.

We should try our best to give the Ukrainians the weapons they say they need. We should not allow any of our soldiers to set foot in Ukraine. I’m not opposed training some of their soldiers on Patriot system to defend themselves with but any trAining cannot happen in Ukraine. We need to give them 500 Swicthblade 600 to take out tanks and artillery. We need to facilitate the transfer of the MIGs We need to help them get the Russian built SU 600 AA missiles . We may not be able to in force a no fly zone but we can help them enforce one themselves. I Putin bitches remind him Russian pilots were flying MIGs in a Vietnam
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So you think Biden is doing a good job.
 
BartenderElite said:
What has Biden done wrong?
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lets start with the most recent......why did he wait to ban Russian oil until Pelosi refused to delay a House vote any longer?.....he should have done that when Putin first brought troops to the border......not three weeks after he invaded.......

go back further........why did he say a mild incursion might not be that bad?.....

or further yet......why did he lift the block in the Euro pipeline?......

he is leading the world response
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but he isn't.......other Western nations preceded him on every point......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
lets start with the most recent......why did he wait to ban Russian oil until Pelosi refused to delay a House vote any longer?.....he should have done that when Putin first brought troops to the border......not three weeks after he invaded.......

go back further........why did he say a mild incursion might not be that bad?.....

or further yet......why did he lift the block in the Euro pipeline?......

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How about what he's wearing? Should he go w/ a darker suit?

That's hilariously nitpicky stuff. He has led a worldwide set of sanctions from over 40 countries that is crippling Russia's economy and putting intense pressure on the oligarchs.

Doesn't matter what partisans say. History generally tells the truth.
 
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