“lose-lose” scenario

Naked aggression must be confronted.

If you can’t defend your land, it won’t be your land very long.

The valiant Ukrainians are defending their land and they should have the support of the entire free world.
 
Walt said:
This is more similar to the beginning of WWII, where we keep letting Putin invade places so as to avoid war. If the Ukrainians are willing to defend themselves, who are we to tell them that they cannot. I doubt we could force them to stop defending themselves.
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It's similar to both, and suggests an answer. Jack just alluded to it as well. It may be that the pain the West is inflicting on Russia won't save Ukraine but will deter Russia from further adventuring beyond its borders when this debacle is over, and so is worth the risk.
 
I believe it was Neville Chamberlain who said to just give them Poland, they will stop invading other countries.

Biden:

(1) Afghanistan

(2) The Ukraine.

(3) Yet to be determined.
 
Earl said:
Naked aggression must be confronted.
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Welcome to Palestine, schmuck.
 
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As U.S. Naval War College professor Erik Sand and MIT political scientist Suzanne Freeman have noted, “economic isolation rarely causes its targets to capitulate outright,” and often leads “states at war to adopt riskier strategies.” This is because economic warfare works on a delay. The targeted military’s present capacities are unaffected, while its future strength comes into question. In this context, military leaders find themselves facing “a closing window in which to try to avert the disaster they see coming,” and frequently do so through escalatory violence.
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The impact of these unprecedented sanctions will be felt far beyond Russia’s borders.
The removal of large quantities of Russian energy and agricultural products from the global market is already putting upward pressure on global food prices, which hit a record high last month.
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martin said:
It's similar to both, and suggests an answer. Jack just alluded to it as well. It may be that the pain the West is inflicting on Russia won't save Ukraine but will deter Russia from further adventuring beyond its borders when this debacle is over, and so is worth the risk.
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appreciate your answers on this thread

But Russia isn't gong anywhere else.. it cant even digest Ukraine
 
Earl said:
Indeed.

Without help from other countries, (not just guns and ammo) the Ukraine will fall.The Russians have superiority in numbers and weapons.

Which country will Russia covet next?
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none. no NATO states.and it can't - it's way extended in Uk
 
dukkha said:
appreciate your answers on this thread

But Russia isn't gong anywhere else.. it cant even digest Ukraine
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It will have to prevent Ukraine's Neo-Nazis from re-forming and re-arming, so a complete withdrawal won't be possible - until the political face of Ukraine becomes pro-Russian again.
 
dukkha said:
On Tuesday, the United States banned imports of Russian oil, closing one of the few remaining loopholes in its economic blockade of a country that exports a large share of the world’s energy, wheat, and metals.
On Friday, the U.S. signaled that it would join the E.U. and other members of the G7 in suspending normal trade relations with Russia altogether.

The impact of these unprecedented sanctions will be felt far beyond Russia’s borders.
The removal of large quantities of Russian energy and agricultural products from the global market is already putting upward pressure on global food prices, which hit a record high last month. Even before the present crisis, millions in Afghanistan were at risk of famine.
Now, deaths from starvation are poised to spike, while more mundane material hardships ripple out across the Global North. And the economic outlook is liable to get worse before it gets better, as the Kremlin is signaling that it will soon unveil retaliatory sanctions.

Thus, the conflict’s current trajectory is leading the world toward the “lose-lose” scenario of a global recession, while also increasing the tail risk of nuclear war. It is not clear how either side intends to avert disaster, let alone secure a victory.

Over the past two weeks, the U.S. and Europe have rapidly escalated their economic war on Russia, crossing lines that were unthinkable in the conflict’s early days. The strategic logic behind these moves — which is to say, the theory for how immiserating Russia will preserve an independent Ukraine — remains largely unspecified. And there is reason to fear that the West’s escalations reflect domestic political pressures more than cool-headed diplomatic calculation. For a White House that is eager to demonstrate American leadership on the global stage, but loath to entangle U.S. troops in another far-flung conflict, ever-more punishing sanctions may have simply been the path of least resistance, no matter where it appeared to lead.

Other traditional aims of economic warfare are to coerce an aggressor into a peace settlement, or to undermine their material capacity for waging war. Unfortunately, there is cause for doubting the sanctions’ efficacy on both these fronts.
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this needs to be accompanied with more domestic oil production. that makes it much better and highly effective.

globalists never want the truth.
 
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dukkha said:
none. no NATO states.and it can't - it's way extended in Uk
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From a military aspect, the Ukraine will capitulate soon, without outside intervention.

Will GB...France...Germany intervene?

No, nor will the US.

Just an informed opinion, dukkha, hopefully I will be proven wrong but I don’t have much hope anymore with warrior Biden at the helm.
 
Earl said:
I believe it was Neville Chamberlain who said to just give them Poland, they will stop invading other countries.

Biden:

(1) Afghanistan

(2) The Ukraine.

(3) Yet to be determined.
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Trumpian truth at work via Earl.

Yes, Chamberlain and the other Euro leaders tried to appease Hitler but none of them had the ability to just give Hitler Poland, Czechoslovakia or any other country...including fucking France.

Although I hold Biden accountable for the fiasco that the Afghan withdrawal turned into, it was the previous president who inked the deal to abandon Afghanistan....which we should have begun after OBL was dumped in the Indian Ocean.

Ukraine nor any other independent nations are ours to give. Not Biden's, not Trump's and not the American people's.

The fucking asshole aggressor in this situation is Vladimir Putin. Blaming Ukraine, Israel, the US or an American political party is pure, unmitigated partisan political bullshit.
 
Earl said:
From a military aspect, the Ukraine will capitulate soon, without outside intervention.

Will GB...France...Germany intervene?

No, nor will the US.

Just an informed opinion, dukkha, hopefully I will be proven wrong but I don’t have much hope anymore with warrior Biden at the helm.
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People who really served in the US military understand "capitulate" means surrender. The Alamo didn't capitulate; it was taken. While Putin will probably take Kiev, the Ukrainians won't surrender as a nation. Putin won't be able to hold neither Kiev or Ukraine even if he pays billions to Syrian mercenaries to murder and rape every Ukrainian they come across.
 
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