Me too. If you weren't one of Putin's buttboys, you'd know that this is all on Putin.
Zelensky says he has 'cooled' on joining NATO and is open to discussions
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Me too. If you weren't one of Putin's buttboys, you'd know that this is all on Putin.
As most members of JPP know with you, Dookie. LOL
What will you do when Vlad is out, Dookie? If you're in Russia, you probably won't survive. If in the US, just a blanket party and a free flight off a balcony??? LOL
you cant keep 2 thoought in your heads at one time
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The INVASION is "all on Putin"
the PREDICATE (Zelensky is offering) were the exact same conditions Putin sent to Biden in his letters
Why does Zelensky want now what could have been negotiated before?
Because Biden rejected negotiations w/Putin out of hand
Then why your repeated diatribes against the US and NATO, Dookie?
Kursk?
No offense, but the Battle of Kursk was NOTHING like Kiev today.
Kursk was an open country, GIGANTIC, armored clash (some say the largest in history).
Kiev will be street-to-street, city fighting.
Also, by mid 1943 (when Kursk took place), the USSR was stronger than Nazi Germany and FAR outproducing them.
And, at Kursk, the Soviets greatly outnumbered the Germans in every area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk
There is little chance that Ukraine will outnumber the Russians at Kiev.
Unless the Russians throw a puny amount of troops at it.
If you have to use a Soviet-Nazi war example?
I would say the battle for Stalingrad would be a better example.
Well, consider that she's banged several of the leftist white M E N she communes with on this forum, and apply that filter to her adoring comments.
I see you cant debate the fact this war might have been avoided
You arent the only one -not 1 word about Zelensky's offer in MS press
NATO expansion -is not a "diatribe against NATO" it's about putting Putin in a box
after we said we wouldn 't
All most people and the MSM seem to think about Ukraine is it is some lovely ex-Soviet territory that had Russia brutally take Crimea and the Donbas from it. And now Putin wants to take the entire country...for NO other reason than ego or empire building.
They know little to nothing of the background or the history.
The bottom line is - NATO threatening to make Ukraine part of it (which is a HUGE deal to Russia).
Along with Kiev killing thousands in the Donbass over the last 7+ years.
The Russians have officially stated that ALL they require for peace is Ukraine promising to NEVER join NATO.
And for Kiev to recognize Crimea as part of Russia (which it is - their people voted over 90% to join Russia in 2014).
And for them to recognize the Donbass regions (Luhansk and Donetsk) as autonomous countries.
NOW - I am 100% AGAINST Putin attacking Ukraine proper.
But I would have had NO problem if he had confined his attacks/invasion to the Donbass region.
those were the conditions outlined by Lavrov in the letter(s) to Biden pre-war.
we cant say for sure if negotiations would have stopped the war,but we can say for sure lack of negotiations left no other path then to war
translation: so NATO gives us weapons for years but is now leaving us twisting in the wind so f*ck them, time to make nice and stop getting buggered.
If this fucking IDIOT had made the same correct decision even a few weeks ago then he could have avoided all of this.
he stupidly thought NATO had his back.
the guy is a comedian for shits sake, cant expect him to grasp geopolitics.
mean hes a nice enough guy I suppose but he was a puppet and didnt even realize it.
What's to debate? Putin is a murdering asshole and a dictator. Either the Russians take charge of their own country or the world risks thermonuclear warfare.
If you didn't have your head buried so far up Putin's ass, you'd realize his days are numbered. The lives of 144 Million Russians depend upon it.
To put/force/drive ... Ukraine into the Arms of Europe ... FOREVER!
It is remarkable that you consider this evidence of Zelensky caving.
He also said Putin would have to return the stolen territories of Crimea and Donbass, and Russia would have to offer security guarantees to never intervene militarily in Ukraine ever again.
If Putin takes that deal, it is a massively huge win for Zalensky.
Ukraine did not qualify for NATO. It is just that easy. He had to do more to clean up corruption. It is rated at 117 on country ratings, which is lower than any NATO country. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/13/us/politics/nato-ukraine.html