Got to be a classic;

anatta said:
3. I certainly did not call you racist, I said I've never seen you go down the racist route- you demonized Shapiro, and write a whole bunch more about his family as some kind of proof. of wht I still dont know because you never get to any clear point..still havent -just a bunch of insinuations about what i'm not even clear since you cant lay out an endgame point here

this is manifestly wrong. the Accords came about by Kushner's shuttle diplomacy and bypassing the "Palestinian question" yjsy Kerry said could never be done

That's diplomacy whether you choose to delude yourself otherwise or not
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He always does the same thing, spews out a shedlosd of psychobabble. Don't have the patience anymore!!
 
Primavera said:
He always does the same thing, spews out a shedlosd of psychobabble. Don't have the patience anymore!!
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I dont mind digging thru, but when asked just pls clarify

I dont know how anyone can say the Abraham Accords aren't diplomacy.
Biden said he's continue in the region - doubt if he knows what they are even about (commercialization/normalization of relations)
 
LV426 said:
With an insurgency bloodier than the one in Iraq.
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Bloodier for who? The Russians have shown repeatedly they are more than willing to burn down whole nations while shooting every living thing in sight if that's what it takes to win. That isn't a win for anybody, but it would be a pyrrhic victory for Russia.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Bloodier for who?
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For Russia.


The Russians have shown repeatedly they are more than willing to burn down whole nations while shooting every living thing in sight if that's what it takes to win.
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Right, but when was the last time they faced an insurgency? Afghanistan.

So how'd that invasion and occupation work out for the Soviets?

How'd their meddling in Kosovo work out for the Russians and Serbs?

Putin can't even fully control Donbass and Crimea...how the hell is he going to control a nation the size of Texas, with a population greater than California?
 
anatta said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
1. Pointing out the psychosis of Ben's blather isn't racist, kid....it's a reality. Do you understand that the emphasis of the Evangelical Christians regarding Israel is to keep it together for Christ to return and convert the Jews? Those that don't convert get the kibosh. These are the people intertwined with the conservative corporatist (the vast majority WASP or Christian, don't cha know) who also push the anti Labor Movement and anti New Deal agenda. Without those, Ben's family that immigrated here would have been regulated to the bottom of the economic pool. But little Ben just deludes himself, parroting garbage that will eventually bite him in the ass, as a similar fate awaits Candace Owens.

2. Check my link I provide regarding the Abraham Accords....I don't just mouth off my opinion all the time.

3. Don't call someone ignorant or racist just because YOU can't logically or factually prove them wrong, and must face the error of your own beliefs.
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3. I certainly did not call you racist, I said I've never seen you go down the racist route- you demonized Shapiro, and write a whole bunch more about his family as some kind of proof. of wht I still dont know because you never get to any clear point..still havent -just a bunch of insinuations about what i'm not even clear since you cant lay out an endgame point here

this is manifestly wrong. the Accords came about by Kushner's shuttle diplomacy and bypassing the "Palestinian question" yjsy Kerry said could never be done

That's diplomacy whether you choose to delude yourself otherwise or not
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- This what you wrote on Post #50; "... I've just never seen you go the racist route before ..." Now don't waste everyone's time with the stupid ass denial tactic of "well, if I didn't use these exact words, then I didn't say it". Only our most severely intellectually limited/dishonest right wing wonks and toadies do that on these threads. I hope you're not joining them in this respect. And PLEASE spare me this tired BS of trying to misconstrue my words. I didn't "demonize" Shapiro, but instead pointed out how the extreme right wing rhetoric he puts forth parrots people who are NOT exactly friendly to the Jewish people. If you don't believe me DO YOUR OWN DAMNED HOMEWORK, as you've admitted to being ignorant of Shapiro's background and history. Again, YOU waste time and effort with BS when you have NO CLUE as to the subject at hand, yet you attack others that do. Jeez, get it together lady, would ya please?

- Please READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY the article I linked which explains in detail why the Dump "deal" doesn't actually deliver the diplomatic solutions he sells to the willfully ignorant and acolytes like yourself. You don't "by-pass" what concerns a major part of your population and geographic importance. That's just stupid and a continuance of the problems in the region. But wonks like you are not interested in "details", just the headlines. :palm: Carry on.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?185559-Got-to-be-a-classic&p=4984075#post4984075
 
T. A. Gardner said:
We really don't know if that's true either. That could easily be propaganda / disinformation itself. What is clear is that the Russians are making progress on taking several cities and that they're doing it by brute force rather than precision fighting.
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The Russians were expected to roll into Kiev on Day One. Of course they're making progress. The problem is that their progress is far behind what they expected.

The problem of Putin is best resolved by the Russian people...preferably a permanent neutralization of him.
 
anatta said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
1. Pointing out the psychosis of Ben's blather isn't racist, kid....it's a reality. Do you understand that the emphasis of the Evangelical Christians regarding Israel is to keep it together for Christ to return and convert the Jews? Those that don't convert get the kibosh. These are the people intertwined with the conservative corporatist (the vast majority WASP or Christian, don't cha know) who also push the anti Labor Movement and anti New Deal agenda. Without those, Ben's family that immigrated here would have been regulated to the bottom of the economic pool. But little Ben just deludes himself, parroting garbage that will eventually bite him in the ass, as a similar fate awaits Candace Owens.
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Great Buddha. your time frame goes back to FDR, and has nothing to do with Shapiro's tweet
You might have just written "vast right-wing conspiracy of the century" or something beyond this bombastic amalgamation

WTF does Owens have to do with anything?? Your writing is dizzying spinning up unclear assertions
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So you display yet another lame ass dodge steeped in stupidity....that nothing past your own birthday is relevant to the present. :palm:

Okay, once more for the cheap seats: the clip that started this debate is example of Shapiro's parroting the right wing rhetoric on a topical subject. If you were informed, you'd know that his entire popularity among the extreme and fringe right wing groups is his parroting their talking points as if it's sacrosanct. Too many scholars, seasoned journalist, etc. have dismantled his BS. I refer to the FACT that the mindset and people he has ideologically aligned himself with DO NOT HAVE HIS BEST INTEREST AT HEART, and will kick him to the curb the nano-second his "useful idiot" status comes to an end. Candace Owens is just similar personality from the black perspective...similar rhetoric that is in conflict with historical facts and present situations, getting support and accolades from folks who will do to her what they will do to Shapiro when the time comes.

Now, put on your socks and shoes, toddle down to your local library and brush up on how the New Deal and the Labor Movement basically gives the aforementioned clowns their current standard of living. In case you haven't noticed, the GOP for the past 30 years or so have been trying to dismantle all that is the result of the New Deal and the Labor Movement...and Shapiro and Owens squawk the very same "justification" rhetoric as if they are exempt for the ramifications (hint; they are not).

YOU ADMIT YOU DON'T KNOW A DAMNED THING ABOUT SHAPIRO AND HIS BLOGS/PODCAST. So STFU, go to google and DO SOME GOD DAMNED HONEST RESEARCH before you try to debate from ignorance. Then you might get a clue as to the relevance of my references.
 
Althea said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
you didn't refute a damn thing...that would take valid, documented facts and logic, NOT the amalgamation of Dump talking points and propaganda that has long ago been disproved or deconstructed for the exaggerations and misrepresentations which you parroted.

If you don't know what Ben Shapiro is all about, then I strongly urge you to RESEARCH HIM before entering a debate. Less stressful for you, less time consuming for me.

"hyperbole" would only apply if what I state were NOT true or did NOT have a firm basis in reality....so know of what you speak before you try to place labels.

You hate reviewing during a discussion/debate? Boy, you in the wrong place much less talking to the wrong person in that respect! One of the things that drives me crazy is people carrying on for several posts then making statements that are wholly incorrect and non reflective of previous exchanges. This leads to playing dumb on past statements and assertions, or feigning ignorance as who someone comes to a conclusion based on past exchanges.

Simply this: know of what you speak, and if you don't, just clik the little arrows to go back and get your act together. Keeps everything and everyone on even keel
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A decade ago on a different board, it took me days to make him finally understand a point.

He does indeed miss the point more often than not.
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You mean he actually admitted he was wrong on a point? :whoa:

You got stamina, kid! I've wasted all the time I'm going to with this joker on this particular topic. Insipidly stubborn and willfully ignorant right wing wonks just aren't worth the effort after a time. Eventually, their intellectual dishonesty comes out....and that's when I'm out.
 
Taichiliberal said:
You mean he actually admitted he was wrong on a point? :whoa:

You got stamina, kid! I've wasted all the time I'm going to with this joker on this particular topic. Insipidly stubborn and willfully ignorant right wing wonks just aren't worth the effort after a time. Eventually, their intellectual dishonesty comes out....and that's when I'm out.
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Are you seated?

There was a time when he wasn't as delusional. He wasn't even a Right wing wacko. He supported Hillary in the primary against Obama.

He always had the cognitive issues, but his delusions were less obvious
 
Althea said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
You mean he actually admitted he was wrong on a point?

You got stamina, kid! I've wasted all the time I'm going to with this joker on this particular topic. Insipidly stubborn and willfully ignorant right wing wonks just aren't worth the effort after a time. Eventually, their intellectual dishonesty comes out....and that's when I'm out.
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Are you seated?

There was a time when he wasn't as delusional. He wasn't even a Right wing wacko. He supported Hillary in the primary against Obama.

He always had the cognitive issues, but his delusions were less obvious
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:wha: >load thumping noise of a man feinting<
 
Taichiliberal said:
- This what you wrote on Post #50; "... I've just never seen you go the racist route before ..." Now don't waste everyone's time with the stupid ass denial tactic of "well, if I didn't use these exact words, then I didn't say it". Only our most severely intellectually limited/dishonest right wing wonks and toadies do that on these threads. I hope you're not joining them in this respect. And PLEASE spare me this tired BS of trying to misconstrue my words. I didn't "demonize" Shapiro, but instead pointed out how the extreme right wing rhetoric he puts forth parrots people who are NOT exactly friendly to the Jewish people. If you don't believe me DO YOUR OWN DAMNED HOMEWORK, as you've admitted to being ignorant of Shapiro's background and history. Again, YOU waste time and effort with BS when you have NO CLUE as to the subject at hand, yet you attack others that do. Jeez, get it together lady, would ya please?

- Please READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY the article I linked which explains in detail why the Dump "deal" doesn't actually deliver the diplomatic solutions he sells to the willfully ignorant and acolytes like yourself. You don't "by-pass" what concerns a major part of your population and geographic importance. That's just stupid and a continuance of the problems in the region. But wonks like you are not interested in "details", just the headlines. :palm: Carry on.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?185559-Got-to-be-a-classic&p=4984075#post4984075
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OK on Shapiro I lost interest.

I posted to you exactly that Kerry said it would be impossible to bypass the Palestinians..
yet they were bypassed. proof they aren't a "roadblock" as Kerry claims

If you haven;'t figured it out yet no Arab leader really cares about them -
although they give it lip service -they aren't going to go against Israel over the Palestinians .
the proof IS the Accords

MbS said the same thing the other day. He wants a deal with Israel but he wants the
"Palestinain question" resolved..
think about it.. why in the hell does bin-salman care about the Palestinians???
he doesn't.

it's like genuflecting before the altar - you go thru the motions for cred and then make a deal without Palestinians being involved just like was done with the Accords

Th Palestinians marginalized themselves, Hamas has a stranglehold on them until they get rid of Hamas
noone is going to take them seriously enough to change course
 
anatta said:
OK on Shapiro I lost interest.

I posted to you exactly that Kerry said it would be impossible to bypass the Palestinians..
yet they were bypassed. proof they aren't a "roadblock" as Kerry claims

If you haven;'t figured it out yet no Arab leader really cares about them -
although they give it lip service -they aren't going to go against Israel over the Palestinians .
the proof IS the Accords

MbS said the same thing the other day. He wants a deal with Israel but he wants the
"Palestinain question" resolved..
think about it.. why in the hell does bin-salman care about the Palestinians???
he doesn't.

it's like genuflecting before the altar - you go thru the motions for cred and then make a deal without Palestinians being involved just like was done with the Accords

Th Palestinians marginalized themselves, Hamas has a stranglehold on them until they get rid of Hamas
no one is going to take them seriously enough to change course
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Exactly. Why do you understand the reality and others just blather nonsensical bullshit?
 
anatta said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
- This what you wrote on Post #50; "... I've just never seen you go the racist route before ..." Now don't waste everyone's time with the stupid ass denial tactic of "well, if I didn't use these exact words, then I didn't say it". Only our most severely intellectually limited/dishonest right wing wonks and toadies do that on these threads. I hope you're not joining them in this respect. And PLEASE spare me this tired BS of trying to misconstrue my words. I didn't "demonize" Shapiro, but instead pointed out how the extreme right wing rhetoric he puts forth parrots people who are NOT exactly friendly to the Jewish people. If you don't believe me DO YOUR OWN DAMNED HOMEWORK, as you've admitted to being ignorant of Shapiro's background and history. Again, YOU waste time and effort with BS when you have NO CLUE as to the subject at hand, yet you attack others that do. Jeez, get it together lady, would ya please?

- Please READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY the article I linked which explains in detail why the Dump "deal" doesn't actually deliver the diplomatic solutions he sells to the willfully ignorant and acolytes like yourself. You don't "by-pass" what concerns a major part of your population and geographic importance. That's just stupid and a continuance of the problems in the region. But wonks like you are not interested in "details", just the headlines. Carry on.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...75#post4984075
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OK on Shapiro I lost interest.

I posted to you exactly that Kerry said it would be impossible to bypass the Palestinians..
yet they were bypassed. proof they aren't a "roadblock" as Kerry claims

If you haven;'t figured it out yet no Arab leader really cares about them -
although they give it lip service -they aren't going to go against Israel over the Palestinians .
the proof IS the Accords

MbS said the same thing the other day. He wants a deal with Israel but he wants the
"Palestinain question" resolved..
think about it.. why in the hell does bin-salman care about the Palestinians???
he doesn't.

it's like genuflecting before the altar - you go thru the motions for cred and then make a deal without Palestinians being involved just like was done with the Accords

Th Palestinians marginalized themselves, Hamas has a stranglehold on them until they get rid of Hamas
noone is going to take them seriously enough to change course
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1. Note, dear readers, how Anatta doesn't have the intellectual honesty or courage to admit she's wrong (let alone apologize) for falsely accusing me playing the race card regarding Shapiro. Instead, she just "loses interest". Mind you, until logically exposed for her willfully ignorant bleating, she stubbornly held onto her BS. Now she's embarrassed, and rightly so. This is why Trump loves folk like Anatta....willfully ignorant, insipidly stubborn and intellectually dishonest. Pity Anatta doesn't realize how Trump wipes his feet on the likes of her.

2. Note the typical right wing shuffle that Anatta does.....when faced with information in the linked article that PROVES Dump's "deal" with the Accords is essentially a hollow one, Anatta just prattles on with moot point coupled with her supposition and conjecture as if it's fact and ignores what she doesn't like. Dropping an initial MbS is suppose to validate her screed and demonstrate intricate knowledge of the subject (if you don't know who MbS is, then you're wrong on everything by Anatta's standards.). But as they say, the devil is in the details. Here's what Anatta can't/won't deal with:

A major incentive for the UAE, which Kushner threw into the mix and Trump approved, was the sale of F-35 stealth fighter planes, EA-18 electronic jets, and Reaper drones. At first, Netanyahu balked at this part of the deal, especially after Kushner said that America’s military relationship with the UAE “is very special, just as the relationship that America has with Israel is incredibly special”—a baffling remark that would have drawn fire from Republicans in Congress had it been made by a senior official in any other administration. But Kushner calmed the prime minister down; no doubt Israel will get more American arms as a result, to maintain its “qualitative edge” over other nations in the region. Bahrain already had a military relationship with the U.S., as the longtime home port for the U.S. Navy’s 5th Fleet.

Another incentive—for Bahrain, the UAE, and the royals calling the shots from Saudi Arabia—is that the deal would help Trump. They want Trump to be reelected, fearing that his Democratic opponent, Joe Biden, would revive the Iran nuclear deal and strike a more balanced tone in U.S. policy in the Middle East, seeking diplomatic solutions rather than backing the Sunni side—as Trump clearly does—in the increasingly hot cold war against Iran.

Not exactly the narrative that Anatta gives, n'cest pas?
 
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