Got to be a classic;

BartenderElite said:
Not serious negotiations. The Russians want unconditional surrender & the Ukraine to give up sovereignty & independence. They're not serious about negotiating.
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Link?

No doubt about Ukrainian resolve. God bless them as with all who defend their freedom.
 
Sailor said:
Because they are a conservative, religious nation. They understand the evils of Communism.
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Once you get a taste of freedom, you never want to go back.

Sure...capitalism comes with great pain when you attempt to throw a switch, and Russia suffered greatly. It's probably how a pro Communism zealot like Putin came into power.

Putin cannot have a free, prosperous nation connected by the hip, or his citizens might want to emulate it.
 
Althea said:
Once Putin is gone, Ukraine will expel by force all of the Communists he placed there.
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Well, what I'm seeing right now is that the Russians are working a plan that entails defeating in detail the Ukranian military rather than a quick lighting strike to take the country. They are planning on grinding the Ukrainians up and spitting out the bones. That's why they appear to be stalled, but they aren't. They are methodically encircling the Ukrainian military in the field to utterly destroy them. It's a very different war from one the US and West would fight.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Well, what I'm seeing right now is that the Russians are working a plan that entails defeating in detail the Ukranian military rather than a quick lighting strike to take the country. They are planning on grinding the Ukrainians up and spitting out the bones. That's why they appear to be stalled, but they aren't. They are methodically encircling the Ukrainian military in the field to utterly destroy them. It's a very different war from one the US and West would fight.
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Not quite accurate, but none of us know the whole truth. There is bedlam in the Russian ranks. No fuel. No food. No desire to fight brothers and sisters.

Does Russia have the sheer numbers to achieve what you describe? Probably. Will the world step in when Putin's war crimes escalate?

That remains to be seen. I'm expecting air activity soon, and we'll see how that plays out on both sides.
 
archives said:
Supposedly, Putin took the "negotiations" so serious he sent his Minister of Culture as his chief negotiator, a guy he has fired twice before from other positions in the Kremlin. And just negotiating, just "making a deal," doesn't end wars nor even tell another how you intend to end war
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all deals start with negotiations..
i can't believe i have to dumb this down for you -but then again you wrote a really dumb OP
 
Althea said:
Once Putin is gone, Ukraine will expel by force all of the Communists he placed there.
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JFC
there are no Communists in Russia's government - this is beyond dezinformatsia it's just stupidity on parade
On 17 December 2015, all communist parties were officially banned in Ukraine
 
BartenderElite said:
Not serious negotiations. The Russians want unconditional surrender & the Ukraine to give up sovereignty & independence. They're not serious about negotiating.
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serious negotiations will happen on way or the other.. just when and under what circumstances?
starting them can only be good
 
Althea said:
Has Dummkopf forgotten the myriad meetings with Putin as he was amassing thousands and thousands of troops?
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what a fucking retard. per usual.

we refused to answer even his letters of national security concerns except for maybe scheduling our drills
 
anatta said:
"make a deal" =negotiations. do you even understand there are negotiations going on?
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Do you understand that Dump's "deals" are just that....NOT diplomatic negotiations. You don't approach international relations like you do a real estate deal....that's why Putin played Dump like a fiddle, and we lost serious credibility in the world view under that orange face POS.

But hey, given Dump's history of stiffing workers, doing shady bookkeeping, tax avoidance, bigotry, infidelity and outsourcing, I'm sure his "deals" had your best interests at heart. :rolleyes:
 
Althea said:
Once you get a taste of freedom, you never want to go back.

Sure...capitalism comes with great pain when you attempt to throw a switch, and Russia suffered greatly. It's probably how a pro Communism zealot like Putin came into power.

Putin cannot have a free, prosperous nation connected by the hip, or his citizens might want to emulate it.
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Putin RAN AGAINST COMMUNISTS to gain his first win as president
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/27/...russia-vote-first-round-but-his-majority.html
Mr. Putin's anticlimactic triumph was huge in absolute terms -- some 20 percentage points ahead
of his closest rival, the Communist leader Gennadi A. Zyuganov
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OMFG
^ how can anyone possibly be this stupid and post on a political board??
 
Taichiliberal said:
Do you understand that Dump's "deals" are just that....NOT diplomatic negotiations. You don't approach international relations like you do a real estate deal....that's why Putin played Dump like a fiddle, and we lost serious credibility in the world view under that orange face POS.

But hey, given Dump's history of stiffing workers, doing shady bookkeeping, tax avoidance, bigotry, infidelity and outsourcing, I'm sure his "deals" had your best interests at heart. :rolleyes:
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Abraham Accords prove you are talking out of your ass
 
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