Macron, Putin agree to work for Ukraine ceasefire

dukkha said:
oh look who just jumped in with the usual stupidity.
So Macron is talking up a ceasefire while Biden talks up dire scenarios isn't warmongering?
Macron is looking for a place to start negotiations while Biden rattles his saber
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No normal country mobilizes 180,000 combat-ready troops on their neighbor's border in peace time. And you assert Biden is the war monger?

Why have you not said one, single, solitary word about the inappropriateness of what Putin is doing?
 
Cypress said:
No normal country mobilizes 180,000 combat-ready troops on their neighbor's border in peace time. And you assert Biden is the war monger?

Why have you not said one, single, solitary word about the inappropriateness of what Putin is doing?
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they are on Russian soil and Belarus where they are invited. I dint say their wont be an invasion.
(although this fantasy of "imminent sack of Kyiv" is just that) -but there hasn't been any crossings even into LDNR yet.

There could be other reasons - I think Putin is trying to put the focus on Ukraine as a NATO member
and showing what Russian response is capable of.

It might even backfire as it's causing the US to arm Ukraine to it's teeth with our best weaponry-
but it's not an "inappropriate" massing if that is the message he's sending
 
dukkha said:
they are on Russian soil and Belarus where they are invited. I dint say their wont be an invasion.
(although this fantasy of "imminent sack of Kyiv" is just that) -but there hasn't been any crossings even into LDNR yet.

There could be other reasons - I think Putin is trying to put the focus on Ukraine as a NATO member
and showing what Russian response is capable of.

It might even backfire as it's causing the US to arm Ukraine to it's teeth with our best weaponry-
but it's not an "inappropriate" massing if that is the message he's sending
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No normal country mobilizes 190,000 combat-ready troops on a neighboring country's borders in peace time. And if they did, the world community would be right to call it an act of intimidation.
 
Cypress said:
No normal country mobilizes 180,000 combat-ready troops on their neighbor's border in peace time. And you assert Biden is the war monger?

Why have you not said one, single, solitary word about the inappropriateness of what Putin is doing?
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inappropriate?

Is he performing sexist microaggressions?
 
Cypress said:
No normal country mobilizes 190,000 combat-ready troops on a neighboring country's borders in peace time. And if they did, the world community would be right to call it an act of intimidation.
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what other country has a tarans-continental force allied against it, and has seen it's mission creep upto it's border?
You act like NATO expansion is just another day at the beach for Putin.
We went (rightfully) full tilt against USSR for putting missiles in Cuba
Why shouldn't Russia object to that and much more on it's doorstep?

Are Russian "red lines" legit or not???
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Right, dukkha! Putin hasn't amassed 200,000 combat-ready troops on three sides of Ukraine, and put his propaganda machine on full blast.

It's all US warmongering. :rolleyes:
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off point tangent.
but it's on NATO expansion and refusal to accept Russian security needs as legit

Macron looks for talks -Biden mouths various "this is it" invasion days
 
dukkha said:
off point tangent.
but it's on NATO expansion and refusal to accept Russian security needs as legit

Macron looks for talks -Biden mouths various "this is it" invasion days
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This is where the global left meets the right. The far left only sees American imperialism and refuses to acknowledge any non-American imperialism. Then you have the global right wing authoritarian movement which is on the rise and are Putin-supporters. That's anatta and moon right there.
 
dukkha said:
backing up what? the obvious? WTF does that have to do with "the children"??
congrats you got a fact correct but it's inane to your point
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Try to keep up, Dookie. Clearly you're one of the "slower" Russo-bots, but if you focus, maybe you'll understand.

Here, let this American help a Russian anti-American cocksucker friend:

Althea said:
The U.S spent billions on Afg. children. The corrupt govt. that we built over there was stealing it.

In the end, blame the Afg. govt. for the collapse of the nation. They colluded with the Taliban, and now they have horrible conditions.

But...Biden.

Afg. never had any money of its own
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moon said:
It's a crying shame that he didn't consider the plight of Afghanistan's war children before he stole their money. It's not a partisan criticism, it's a moral criticism.
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Phantasmal said:
How much of the money of the money they did get will be spent on the children?

Our Country has not turned a blind eye to the children
The United States will donate an extra $308m in humanitarian aid to Afghanistan, the White House has announced, bringing the total of US aid for Afghanistan and Afghan refugees in the region to nearly $782m since October.Jan 11, 2022

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Darla said:
This is where the global left meets the right. The far left only sees American imperialism and refuses to acknowledge any non-American imperialism. Then you have the global right wing authoritarian movement which is on the rise and are Putin-supporters. That's anatta and moon right there.
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The Republican party is the wrong place to look for moral fortitude in the face of Kremlin imperialism.

I have been reading the opposition press in Russia, and they are more compelling at articulating what Putin is doing is both morally wrong, and harmful to Russia in the long run, than any American conservative ever has.
 
Darla said:
This is where the global left meets the right. The far left only sees American imperialism and refuses to acknowledge any non-American imperialism. Then you have the global right wing authoritarian movement which is on the rise and are Putin-supporters. That's anatta and moon right there.
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The Russian Federation has NATO on 3 sides. It has expanded far beyond is mission/charter
Putin wants assurances of no more expansion ( he wants a rollback too -but wont get it)
how is this "non-American imperialism?"

Putin went into Georgia and cleaned up the Chechen War . These are border states -not expansive imperialism. you can critique them, but you can't call them "imperialism"
 
moon said:
Biden has stolen 7.5 billion dollars . It isn't for anybody else other than the rightful recipients to decide how it - would have been distributed.
I don't doubt that Afghans have any less feelings for their children than we do.
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How much of that money do you believe the people of Afghan will see? Please get back to me, if the Taliban distributes it for the benefit of the people, I will change my opinion.
 
dukkha said:
off point tangent.
but it's on NATO expansion and refusal to accept Russian security needs as legit

Macron looks for talks -Biden mouths various "this is it" invasion days
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I think you're wrong, how do I know you ask? Simple, if you're on the same side as McMoonshi'ite, JPP's resident Trot, then it's time to step back and reassess.

US warns Putin will 'crush' Ukraine and the chance of diplomacy is 'diminishing by the hour': Kremlin rejects Biden summit as intelligence warns Russia's plan includes two weeks of rocket attacks, street fighting and a hunt for Zelensky supporters

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...kraine-chance-diplomacy-diminishing-hour.html
 
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