Macron, Putin agree to work for Ukraine ceasefire

Primavera said:
Of course not, that would require some rational thought and a sense of history.

Gaza wars, 2005 to date

Israel left Gaza in 2005. That is 17 years ago. All 9,000 Jews were forcibly ethnically cleansed in the name of "peace". Many were born there. Others lived there for decades. All expelled. Every settlement is destroyed.
If the Gazans wanted peace, prosperity and freedom, it has been there for the taking since 2005. All they had to do was build a state, and leave Israel alone. There would be no blockade, no wall, no checkpoints, no airstrikes. Gazans would now be rich and free. They could have a booming tourist industry on the Mediterranean.

But Gazans don't want to be rich and free. They want other things. They want land, honour, blood and vengeance. These things will not make them happy, but that is what they want and what they pursue. And so they keep attacking Israel, even though Israel is gone. And so they have fired thousands of rockets at Israel. And so Israel has to keep coming back to bomb the aggressors. And the western left, like the morons they are, encourage all this.

https://markhumphrys.com/gaza.wars.html
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Mendacious horseshit. Gaza was one of the worst instances of apartheid practiced by the Neo-Zionist fascists. A whole generation of Gazans had never seen their own sea as they were banned from approaching the beach. As resistance against Israeli brutality gained strength, via the Hamas resistance movement, control of Gaza and the military protection of the thousands of illegal squatters that the Jewish fascists had deposited there became increasingly expensive for the illegal occupiers. They demanded more money from their American backers but it was refused under diplomatic pressure. They had no choice but to withdraw from Gaza and- in order to save face- invented the lie that George Bush had promised them equivalent areas of the West Bank to house their displaced squatters- none of whom had any connection to Gaza whatsoever. Bush denied any such deal had been struck.

The Brit maggot simply circulates prosemitic fabrications to avoid being called an outright liar himself- but we see you , Jiminy.


Haw, haw...........................................haw.

Footnote; As the fascists withdrew some Gazans went down to the beach that had been denied them The fascists shelled them.


Six of the seven Palestinians killed were from the Ghalia family, who were picnicking. Gaza journalist Sami Yousef described the horrific scenes when the shell struck. “There were remains scattered along the beach,” he told the BBC. “Three children were there, two with severe deep cuts in their heads. One girl was screaming, crying out for her father.... Nobody was expecting this to happen. Children had just finished their exams and had come with their families to the beach to enjoy the sunshine. This was a place where people came to enjoy themselves, somewhere away from the crowds and the trouble. A few hours later Israeli jets made sonic booms in the air over Gaza.”

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2006/06/isra-j12.html
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Primavera said:
Putin thrives by having useful idiots like you spouting bullshit.
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moon said:
Mendacious horseshit. Gaza was one of the worst instances of apartheid practiced by the Neo-Zionist fascists. A whole generation of Gazans had never seen their own sea as they were banned from approaching the beach. As resistance against Israeli brutality gained strength, via the Hamas resistance movement, control of Gaza and the military protection of the thousands of illegal squatters that the Jewish fascists had deposited there became increasingly expensive for the illegal occupiers. They demanded more money from their American backers but it was refused under diplomatic pressure. They had no choice but to withdraw from Gaza and- in order to save face- invented the lie that George Bush had promised them equivalent areas of the West Bank to house their displaced squatters- none of whom had any connection to Gaza whatsoever. Bush denied any such deal had been struck.

The Brit maggot simply circulates prosemitic fabrications to avoid being called an outright liar himself- but we see you , Jiminy.


Haw, haw...........................................haw.

Footnote; As the fascists withdrew some Gazans went down to the beach that had been denied them The fascists shelled them.
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Holy fuck, what a load of bullshit from a far left agitprop website. Stick it up your arse, you lying cunt!!

The Hamas way of war

Because the Islamist way of war has no morals or ethics, anything goes in warfare. Especially against an army that does have ethics. The other army's ethics can be exploited.

It is hard for Israel to fight against The Islamist way of war.
Using hospitals, schools, churches:
Hamas leaders hiding in basement of Israel-built hospital in Gaza, 12 Jan 2009. "senior Hamas officials found refuge in the hospital basement because they know Israel would not target it, due to the patients in the upper floors." Try doing that with the Nazis! Or the Soviets, or the Chinese, or Axis Japan. Or indeed any Islamic army ever.
Hamas rockets stored in multiple UN schools, 2014.
Gaza Bishop: Hamas Used Church to Fire Rockets, 2014.
Islamic Jihad terrorists killed driving an ambulance, 2014.
Hamas built a terrorist tunnel underneath a UN school in Gaza and refuses to let inspectors in to check the school's safety as children return to school. Aug 2021.
Ambulances, Schools and Mosques: Hamas' Top 10 Hiding Places. Sums up how evil people fight against good people:
Using ambulances as getaway cars
Setting up headquarters at Gaza's main hospital
Using mosques to hide rockets
Using mosques to protect tunnel entrances
Using United Nations schools to hide rockets
Swaddling weapons in baby blankets
Planting attack tunnel entrances in private homes
Hamas works hard to keep their own civilians in danger:
Hamas uses human shields, Mar 2008. Hamas places children on rooftops as human shields preventing Israeli attack on Qassam rocket workshops.
"Hamas used kids as human shields", report, Mar 2010.
Hamas beating civilians of Gaza who leave their homes following IDF warning.
Hamas use of human shields in 2014
IDF soldiers report how the jihadis fight: "Parents of wounded soldiers ... said soldiers have repeatedly seen young children in Sheijaya, Gaza, be sent out into the streets with guns to try to attack IDF troops. One parent reported that terrorists had run at IDF soldiers with a gun in one hand and a baby in the other".
Sums it up: "If Hamas fired from rural areas in Gaza they would be wiped out quickly, this is why they shoot from civilian areas. Terrorism 101: Cowardice."
The Guardian seems to promote the use of human shields as a tactic of war.
Hamas Terrorists Confess to Using Human Shields
An IDF Soldier's Experiences in Gaza
"a man about 40 years old walked out of a house nearby, and then I saw that he was holding a woman, and he was using her as a shield. ... I'd seen videos at home, I'd heard about it on the news, and I had believed it, but now I was seeing it with my own eyes. And I can see very clearly that the woman doesn't want to be there and he's pulling her with him. Only after he finally let go of the woman could we neutralize him."
Imagine if an Israeli was holding an Israeli woman as a human shield while he approached an armed Hamas fighter. How well do you think that would work?
Hamas fires mortars at Gaza crossing point bringing aid to Gaza, 18 May 2021. And here. Far from the first time they have bombed border crossings bringing aid to Gaza, power plants providing Gaza with electricity, and so on.


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Primavera said:
Holy fuck, what a load of bullshit from a far left agitprop website. Stick it up your arse, you lying cunt!!
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It's not ' from a website' you sycophantic prosemitic parrot. THIS is from a website;

Some Israeli atrocities in Gaza;

On 4 January 2005 seven civilian residents of Beit Lahia, including six members of the same family, were killed, with the incident blamed on shelling by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) of the agricultural area where they were working.[citation needed] On 9 June 2006, eight civilians were killed by IDF shells, while picnicking on the northern Gazan beach in Beit Lahia. The dead included seven members of the Ali Ghaliya family.[19] The IDF disputed they were responsible.[20] The town is a frequent target of airstrikes by Israel and has been a battlefield between Israel and Hamas.[when?][citation needed] The Ibrahim al-Maqadna mosque was hit by Israeli missiles in 2009, resulting in 13 deaths.

Massacre of Ibrahim al-Maqadma Mosque occurred on 3 January 2009 as part of the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza War when an Israeli missile hit the Ibrahim al-Maqadna mosque in the Gaza strip during the evening prayers.[21] Witnesses said over 200 Palestinians were praying inside at the time.[22][23] At least 14 people, including six children, were killed, and many more than 60 wounded.[23]
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Primavera said:
It's from the World Socialist Weasel Shitters website, are you incapable of telling the truth?
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Not only do you invent content- you even invent sources
You're done, maggot.

Haw, haw....................................haw.
 
Primavera said:
It won't be, Putin wants NATO to withdraw to its 1997 borders. Meaning that they leave the Baltic states, Poland, Bulgaria and Romania, that's just not going to happen.
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just my opinion but i think that's only a negotiation ploy. he very much wants Ukraine however to remain neutral ( although we've sent so much frigging weaponry it's already a defacto client state).

I dont know why the hell we have to get into another foreign civil war (Donbas) or a proxy war with Russia
Seems that's the extent of our policy "analysis" on everything
 
maggot;
Because the Islamist way of war has no morals or ethics, anything goes in warfare. Especially against an army that does have ethics. The other army's ethics can be exploited.
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Israeli fascism has no ethics- other than 'ethics ' for Jews.

Israeli high court bans military use of Palestinians as human shields

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/israel


IDF’s ethics guru slams High Court ban on human shields

https://www.jpost.com/Israel/IDFs-ethics-guru-slams-High-Court-ban-on-human-shields


2 SOLDIERS CONVICTED OF USING BOY AS HUMAN SHIELD

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/2-soldiers-convicted-of-using-boy-as-human-shield





Two soldiers forced Palestinian child to open bags, feared to have been booby trapped,

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...-11-year-old-as-human-shield-in-gaza-1.316867

Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...-used-human-shields-1200-times-2006-2011.html
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ldiers-used-human-shields-in-gaza-s20nfnk0p73

The IDF admitted to using Palestinians as human shields at least 1,200 times during the Second Intifada (2000-2005). Despite the fact that the practice was banned by the Israeli High Court in 2005, it continued during the 2008-2009 war in Gaza (Operation Cast Lead). Following the war, the UN Human Rights Council condemned Israel's use of Palestinians as human shields.

According to defense officials, the Israel Defense Forces made use of the ‘human shield’ procedure on 1,200 occasions over the last five years,

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html
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Primavera said:
I very much doubt that, there is no danger of Ukraine joining NATO and I'm sure Putin knows that well enough. I've told you the real reason, up to you if you accept it or not.
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Zelwnsky main power move is to talk up being part of NATO.
If it's not going to happen -then declare it
If it is -then Putin is correct in his view
so cut the legs out from under Zelensky and Putin and leave Ukraine what it should be. non-aligned by treaty
 
Hawkeye10 said:
It does not get in the way of me being right a high percentage of the time, which is the ultimate proof of education.
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No doubt but I think you're wrong here. Putin is a playground bully, we all saw that with the Novichok poisonings in Salisbury.
 
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Why is discussion of Israeli fascism relevant to Ukraine ?
Because NATO's mantra is that it supports ' self-determination ' for all people while its American component supports the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians by its Israeli client state.
This makes a mockery of the US ' moral stance ' of defending Ukraine. It's an aggressive ploy concocted by hypocrites.
 
Primavera said:
No doubt but I think you're wrong here. Putin is a playground bully, we all saw that with the Novichok and poisonings in Salisbury.
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Everybody sees through the Brit ploy of refusing to supply evidence, maggot. Is the Salisbury ' Iffy Chicken ' take-away still open ?


Haw, haw....................................haw.
 
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