Why not?
Macron, Putin agree to work for Ukraine ceasefire
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Why not?
How much of Palestine do you want to give to Israel?
Where should the Palestinians be resettled?
Should 'Palestinians' be erased from History ala 'StalinHistory'?
You might as well ask about the mythical citizens of "Mordor" and their imaginary homeland.
Thank You. You've said it all.
I believe so.
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Are you totally unfamiliar with the putative agreement between Abbas and Olmert?
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Hamas is the aggressor. Israel is the victim.
Consider this: If Hamas stopped all violence, Israel would leave Gaza alone. Checkpoints would be dismantled. Trade would be free. Investment would pour in. Everything would be fine.
But this does not hold the other way round. If Israel stopped all violence, Hamas would move in and exterminate the Israelis.
Eamonn McDonagh, 2009, points out that Israel could destroy Hamas, but won't (because Israel is civilized), and so the conflict will continue: "Inflicting a defeat on Hamas of sufficient proportions to make Gaza as docile as Chechnya is well within Israel's military capabilities. It's not going to happen though. The Israeli public doesn't have the stomach for either the casualties on its own side or the mass slaughter of Palestinians that would be necessary to achieve it. Oh, and if you think that mass slaughter is exactly what Israel has been inflicting on Gaza in recent days, then you haven't been paying much attention to world history over recent decades. Hamas exudes the will to destroy Israel and all who live in it from every last pore of its collective body. Israel has the means to crush Hamas but only the will to deliver hard jabs and the occasional uppercut. There's no chance of a knee in the groin followed by a few hard kicks to the head. Regardless of the forthcoming ceasefire, the conflict is thus certain to go on. This is to be both deplored and welcomed."
Daniel Finkelstein, January 7, 2009, on the only way this will ever end: "there can be peace and prosperity at the smallest of prices. The Palestinians need only say that they will allow Israel to exist in peace. They need only say this tiny thing, and mean it, and there is pretty much nothing they cannot have. Yet they will not say it. And they will not mean it. ... Again and again .. the Palestinians have been offered a nation state in a divided Palestine. And again and again they have turned the offer down, for it has always been more important to drive out the Jews than to have a Palestinian state. ... There cannot be peace until this changes."
https://markhumphrys.com/gaza.wars.html#gaza.war.08
Hamas is the aggressor. Israel is the victim.
Consider this: If Hamas stopped all violence, Israel would leave Gaza alone. Checkpoints would be dismantled. Trade would be free. Investment would pour in. Everything would be fine.
But this does not hold the other way round. If Israel stopped all violence, Hamas would move in and exterminate the Israelis.
Eamonn McDonagh, 2009, points out that Israel could destroy Hamas, but won't (because Israel is civilized), and so the conflict will continue: "Inflicting a defeat on Hamas of sufficient proportions to make Gaza as docile as Chechnya is well within Israel's military capabilities. It's not going to happen though. The Israeli public doesn't have the stomach for either the casualties on its own side or the mass slaughter of Palestinians that would be necessary to achieve it. Oh, and if you think that mass slaughter is exactly what Israel has been inflicting on Gaza in recent days, then you haven't been paying much attention to world history over recent decades. Hamas exudes the will to destroy Israel and all who live in it from every last pore of its collective body. Israel has the means to crush Hamas but only the will to deliver hard jabs and the occasional uppercut. There's no chance of a knee in the groin followed by a few hard kicks to the head. Regardless of the forthcoming ceasefire, the conflict is thus certain to go on. This is to be both deplored and welcomed."
Daniel Finkelstein, January 7, 2009, on the only way this will ever end: "there can be peace and prosperity at the smallest of prices. The Palestinians need only say that they will allow Israel to exist in peace. They need only say this tiny thing, and mean it, and there is pretty much nothing they cannot have. Yet they will not say it. And they will not mean it. ... Again and again .. the Palestinians have been offered a nation state in a divided Palestine. And again and again they have turned the offer down, for it has always been more important to drive out the Jews than to have a Palestinian state. ... There cannot be peace until this changes."
https://markhumphrys.com/gaza.wars.html#gaza.war.08
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I really dont expect more talking to be helpful.
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It won't be, Putin wants NATO to withdraw to its 1997 borders. Meaning that they leave the Baltic states, Poland, Bulgaria and Romania, that's just not going to happen.
Saying that Ukraine will not join NATO would go far.
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Putin views Ukraine as a threat not only because it seek to align itself with the West but because its experiment with democracy could become increasingly attractive to Russians who have grown weary of living under autocracy. That's the real reason he wants to crush Ukraine, it's not much different to the bad old days when the Soviets extinguished democracy in both Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
Let's try again....NATO could say that Ukraine will not be joining.....that would help.
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I very much doubt that, there is no danger of Ukraine joining NATO and I'm sure Putin knows that well enough. I've told you the real reason, up to you if you accept it or not.
moon
Satire for Sanity
The British Mandate of what ?
HogWash...democracy and democracies are in full retreat all around the world....The Russians and the Chinese have no reason to fear it...and Putin is the opposite of an idiot.
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Of course not, that would require some rational thought and a sense of history.
Gaza wars, 2005 to date
Israel left Gaza in 2005. That is 17 years ago. All 9,000 Jews were forcibly ethnically cleansed in the name of "peace". Many were born there. Others lived there for decades. All expelled. Every settlement is destroyed.
If the Gazans wanted peace, prosperity and freedom, it has been there for the taking since 2005. All they had to do was build a state, and leave Israel alone. There would be no blockade, no wall, no checkpoints, no airstrikes. Gazans would now be rich and free. They could have a booming tourist industry on the Mediterranean.
But Gazans don't want to be rich and free. They want other things. They want land, honour, blood and vengeance. These things will not make them happy, but that is what they want and what they pursue. And so they keep attacking Israel, even though Israel is gone. And so they have fired thousands of rockets at Israel. And so Israel has to keep coming back to bomb the aggressors. And the western left, like the morons they are, encourage all this.
https://markhumphrys.com/gaza.wars.html
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No doubt Brezhnev, Ceaușescu and many other despots thought the same, they found out otherwise.
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Putin thrives by having useful idiots like you spouting bullshit.
You need to deal with the grand collapse of the great Western Democracies....Ukraine was never a democracy, and it wont be.
The future is authoritarian.
The link is mostly my view.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/1/30/putin-no-longer-fears-a-democratic