Why democracies need a loyal opposition

this theory worked pretty well in in the 1780s but shortly after Geo Washington handed over the reigns of government the true nature of politics started taking over.

The pursuit of power by means of a great big pocketbook.

The evolution this thread complains of kick started with the Great Society when vote buying became the driving force.

It will be interesting to see how this resolves as we are on a collision path with a seismic change in direction.


It will end in government bullets ending the lies your team keeps spewing to destroy our democracy


Democracy will win
 
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/boom-and-bust-cycle.asp


What Is the Boom and Bust Cycle?
The boom and bust cycle is a process of economic expansion and contraction that occurs repeatedly. The boom and bust cycle is a key characteristic of capitalist economies and is sometimes synonymous with the business cycle.

During the boom the economy grows, jobs are plentiful and the market brings high returns to investors. In the subsequent bust the economy shrinks, people lose their jobs and investors lose money. Boom-bust cycles last for varying lengths of time; they also vary in severity.
 
Fettering capitalism is they only way to make it work


Left to it’s natural devices it turns into a system with oligarchs fighting each other into massive monopolies where the vast majority of humans are left starving and desperate



Serfs and kings
 
Okay, what does that have to do with the idea of a loyal opposition?

The idea of Loyal Opposition was to whitewash the 'scratch my back, i'll scratch yours' approach to separating the treasury of tax dollars for their friends.

It worked pretty well for the masses for a long time.

And then the greed got too great. Now its just the bad joke it always was.
 
It will end in government bullets ending the lies your team keeps spewing to destroy our democracy


Democracy will win

how did that work out in Russia in 1919 ?
China in the Cultural Revolution ?
Cuba when Castro led the citizens against their government with all their bullets ?

330 million vs 538 is NOT a fair fight.
 
You are the evil ones


The ones with low numbers and large lies


I’m trying to save your life


Don’t join in


You will get very quickly dead
 
The idea of Loyal Opposition was to whitewash the 'scratch my back, i'll scratch yours' approach to separating the treasury of tax dollars for their friends.

It worked pretty well for the masses for a long time.

And then the greed got too great. Now its just the bad joke it always was.



Hmmmm


You hate capitalism now?
 
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/boom-and-bust-cycle.asp


What Is the Boom and Bust Cycle?
The boom and bust cycle is a process of economic expansion and contraction that occurs repeatedly. The boom and bust cycle is a key characteristic of capitalist economies and is sometimes synonymous with the business cycle.

During the boom the economy grows, jobs are plentiful and the market brings high returns to investors. In the subsequent bust the economy shrinks, people lose their jobs and investors lose money. Boom-bust cycles last for varying lengths of time; they also vary in severity.

Fettering capitalism is they only way to make it work


Left to it’s natural devices it turns into a system with oligarchs fighting each other into massive monopolies where the vast majority of humans are left starving and desperate



Serfs and kings
 
The Republican Party has sung the tune of deregulation all my life


I’m glad to see republicans now see how that idea brings massive failure to Americans


So why now follow these idiots into a grave to save trump?


The Russo bot holes cant seem to make these idiot lies make sense anymore
 
The good guy vs bad guy, good vs evil, theme is the basis of right wing media, they are selling the melodrama, pimping hate to make a buck

You've got it exactly backwards dumb fuck. This is a classic case of.....

Projection
Projection is the process of displacing one’s feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another. For example, if someone continuously bullies and ridicules a peer about his insecurities, the bully might be projecting his own struggle with self-esteem onto the other person.
 
Hmmmm


You hate capitalism now?

no.

just pointing out how things go when the government tries to play tough guy like you want it to.

I could also have thrown in George the 3rd of England. Louis in France. Poland with Lech Walesa. East Germany, USSR.... the list goes on and on.

Strength in numbers...
 
“A pluralistic democratic order… is based on a distinction between ‘enemy’ and ‘adversary’. It requires that, within the context of the political community, the opponent should be considered not as an enemy to be destroyed, but as an adversary whose existence is legitimate and must be tolerated.”

I wish Democrats could practice that. Instead, we get hate mongering, fear mongering, threats, cancelling and boorish insults.

The re-emergence of the “strong man” in democratic politics, meanwhile – Donald Trump, Jair Bolsonaro, Narendra Modi, Viktor Orbán, Recep Tayyip Erdogan – has gone hand in hand with the demonisation and ridicule of political opponents.

https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/...cracies-need-the-notion-of-a-loyal-opposition

This is where the article goes unhinged. NO ONE in the history of the republic was more "demonized" than Donald Trump. The media couldn't stand someone who actually shoved their smarmy lie filled bullshit back into their faces. The Democratic Party of the Jackass became so unhinged they supported and encouraged a lie filled narrative invented by Hillary's campaign that Trump had somehow colluded with the Russians.

Democrats were so unhinged they thought they could convince a Republican majority Senate to impeach Trump based on specious lie filled narratives twice.

I find it rather laughable when the loony left attempts to cover their lie filled memes and narratives with a pretense of objective reasoning. It's quite amusing.
 
The contemporary American fascist movement is led by oligarchical interests for whom the public good is an impediment, such as those in the hydrocarbon business, as well as a social, political, and religious movement with roots in the Confederacy. As in all fascist movements, these forces have found a popular leader unconstrained by the rules of democracy, this time in the figure of Donald Trump.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/america-fascism-legal-phase

More unhinged lunacy.

:eyeroll:
 
no.

just pointing out how things go when the government tries to play tough guy like you want it to.

I could also have thrown in George the 3rd of England. Louis in France. Poland with Lech Walesa. East Germany, USSR.... the list goes on and on.

Strength in numbers...

Hahahahaha


You were caught asshole


Deregulated capitalism is what you have championed all your days here


It creates what you now claim to hate


Your pretzel mind just fucked it’s self


You are a failure


It’s what lies get you idiot
 
It's not only a loyal opposition, but an honest news media that doesn't take sides and invents false narratives. I wish we had honest journalism today. Something that holds BOTH parties accountable.
 
There are enough diverse views in the present Democratic Party to form at least three worthwhile new parties to have in America.
Circuses having all gone under, the big tent serves no modern purpose.

We could remove all Republicans and independents from American political activity and still have a strong and diverse democracy---only now one that might actually work.
 
Hahahahaha


You were caught asshole


Deregulated capitalism is what you have championed all your days here


It creates what you now claim to hate


Your pretzel mind just fucked it’s self


You are a failure


It’s what lies get you idiot


dial back the crack, youve lost it
 
The idea of Loyal Opposition was to whitewash the 'scratch my back, i'll scratch yours' approach to separating the treasury of tax dollars for their friends.

It worked pretty well for the masses for a long time.

And then the greed got too great. Now its just the bad joke it always was.

Loyal opposition was the whole idea behind the democracy the founders designed


Here you are saying it was designed for failure


You just fucked your own self you shitty Russo bot hole


Suck it
 
dial back the crack, youve lost it

Got nothing left to defend your stupid now huh


It’s cool you Siberian ass master


The racists you whipped up will all get the vaccine against traitorous actions when they act



Government bullets
 
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