Please allow me to refresh your memory.
Is your answer to the first question yes, or no?
Is your answer to the second question yes, or no?
We might as well outsource America's public schools to Red China
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Please allow me to refresh your memory.
Is your answer to the first question yes, or no?
Is your answer to the second question yes, or no?
T. A. Gardner
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Available for them to read, not a problem. On the other hand, what they are required to read can become a problem. Our kids in K - 12 above all else should be being prepared to be functional, productive, adults. Knowing what all the letters in LGBTPDQRSTUVW... or whatever doesn't move us towards that end. Education shouldn't be political or a game of trivial pursuit.
When we have kids graduating high school that can't read a ruler, can't balance a checkbook, can't make change out of a cash register (just saw that one a week ago), etc., there's a problem. I could give a flying fuck if they know anything about alternative sexual proclivities. That's an irrelevancy compared to being able to read, write, and do math. Knowing something about our nation and history is necessary to have a functional society too and it shouldn't be taught as a series of lessons about how evil their nation is and how they have to atone for the sins of their long dead ancestors.
You do if you expect statistical evidence of my opinion. Tell me why I should think every kid that you don't want to read these non fiction books will rush in to read them. Statistical information that show me that I should worry about my kids rushing in to read Gender Queer would certainly support your argument.
I made two statements of opinion, based on life experience, you know.. being one of the few kids back in the day that actually went to the library for reading material and an owner of a fantastic memory.
Not really. I trust you to tell me the truth about what you checked out from the library. Why would you lie? Is it so important to you to be "right" that you would make up naughty books you checked out from a fictional middle school library?
I am telling you that it is less important than this urgency you seem to have on the subject because they are not likely to read them other than as a joke. I am also tell you that we really have no right to use government power to limit the type of books the kids can find in the government funded library because we have a pesky constitution to consider.
Wouldn't the fact that a government school makes them available problematic since it may create the perception that the government is tacitly endorsing a particular view of sexuality which is illegal?
For example, would it be OK - in your opinion - for a government school to make printed materials giving instructions for IED manufacture available to children in the library?
This is an opinion? Bolded for emphasis.
I don't recall attempting to influence your thinking. I do recall asking you why you made what appear to be two statements of fact with no apparent statistical justification.
Well, perhaps I might be able to suggest that you consider using modifiers when you express what you think are opinions in the future.
I'm flattered by your trust; however, as I previously reminded you, I avoid posting personal anecdotes on the forum whenever possible. I would be glad to tell you stories, but not here.
It's not a question of lying. It's because unverifiable statements of fact aren't logically acceptable as evidence in debate. Arguments are claims backed by logic that is supported by verifiable, objective evidence available to all parties. Whether or not such proofs are valid is also debatable.
An expression of opinion is not logically subject to the same stricture, in my experience. Perhaps I am too didactic.
I have already shared my general agreement with you on the topic of government-funded education; at least I perceive that we basically agree.
I read Westerns when I was a kid…Max Brand, Zane Gray, Louis L’Amour, etc. My mom picked me up some Longarm and another Western series whose name escapes me at the moment at a yard sale. For those who don’t know, there are very explicit sex scenes in that series of books. I read the first one, took the box of books back to her and told her not to buy me any more of those. I may have been about 14 at the time. I didn’t tell her why until I was in my 30’s.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
It would depend on what else was in the school's library. That might or might not endorse a particular view on sexuality.
Really? I doubt that "The Lawn Boy", for example, offers the reader an incentive to explore other modes of sexual behavior.
Isn't it possible that government-funded materials can actually create the perception that the government is endorsing the views express in those materials?
What about the question you ignored?
Would it be OK - in your opinion - for a government school to make printed materials giving instructions for IED manufacture available to children in the library?
How charming. What bearing does this personal reminiscence have on the topic?
A reformed public school teacher's perspective
Children are being indoctrinated.
The education system designed to teach them how to think critically has been weaponized by the radical left to push an anti-American agenda.
As someone who has worked in education for four years, I have seen firsthand how your children are being ensnared by the left and their teachers. (Note for Fuck Face Fowl: I am quoting an editorial written by someone else who utilized the first person)
I worked with kids from ages 3 to 13 and saw the brainwashing that exists at all levels of education.
The left uses a combination of propaganda and suppression to push kids into the ensnaring grip of socialism and anti-patriotism.
First is the propaganda.
Teachers will assign work instilling the idea that the pillars of Western civilization were evil, and their memories deserve to be thrown in the trash.
Here’s an example. I was helping one of my elementary school students with a homework assignment about listing famous Britons throughout history. She already had some of the more obvious ones: Shakespeare, Princess Diana, Queen Elizabeth.
“Well, how about Winston Churchill?” I recommended.
“Oh no, not him,” she replied. “He was a racist and didn’t think women should have rights. He wasn’t a good guy.”
I was floored. It clearly wasn’t something she came up with on her own. She was just regurgitating propaganda her teacher had taught her. All sense of nuance and critical thinking about the man who saved Europe from the Nazis was gone. Churchill committed “wrongthink,” so in the bin he goes.
Another way the left propagandizes is through the normalization of its views and positions as nonpolitical.
The Black Lives Matter organization is a prime example of this.
Many of my colleagues wore Black Lives Matter pins and apparel to school in blatant violation of school rules forbidding political statements on clothing.
When I asked for a justification of the behavior, I was told it wasn’t political to support the group, it was a matter of human rights.
The children would see these pins and clothes and connect radical leftist groups with basic human dignity. “How dare you question Black Lives Matter? I was taught this is a matter of human rights!”
But it isn’t just a matter of actively teaching that America and the West are evil.
Suppression of “wrongthink” is equally as important to the brainwashing process.
The lessons I was allowed to teach also were censored.
I was preparing a lesson on Thanksgiving involving Pilgrims and American Indians, with an activity centered on making paper tee-pees for arts and crafts. Cue the progressive panic.
Other teachers at the school were incensed that a non-Indian was “appropriating” Native American culture for an activity.
Of course, these teachers weren’t Indians either, they just wanted to virtue signal.
The whole thing culminated in a hilarious incident where my colleagues tracked down the one teacher on staff who was one-sixty-fourths Native American and asked her if it was cultural appropriation. In her esteemed authority, it most certainly was.
The school administrators pulled me aside and promptly nixed the project.
The suppression extends to American religious values as well. I would try to engage my students with folk stories from around the globe to teach them world history and other cultures.
Story time went on without a hitch until I decided to tell stories from the Bible. Other teachers began to complain I was preaching Christian values to the children and attempting to convert them.
Keep in mind, this wasn’t a problem when I was sharing stories from other ancient cultures throughout history.
Stories about ancient India and China were fine and encouraged as “sharing unheard voices.” After sharing the story of the Tower of Babel, I was told to switch back to "non-Christian" stories or face consequences.
The young adults who today gleefully tear down statues of the Founding Fathers were incubated in our very own schools, groomed to burst from the education system and burn America down.
The left argues the great men and women who built this nation are problematic and must be destroyed.
Conservatives must demand an end to the indoctrination of our youth or face a new American public taught since childhood that the country shouldn’t exist.
https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/im-former-teacher-heres-how-your-children-are-getting-indoctrinated-leftist
Children are being indoctrinated.
The education system designed to teach them how to think critically has been weaponized by the radical left to push an anti-American agenda.
As someone who has worked in education for four years, I have seen firsthand how your children are being ensnared by the left and their teachers. (Note for Fuck Face Fowl: I am quoting an editorial written by someone else who utilized the first person)
I worked with kids from ages 3 to 13 and saw the brainwashing that exists at all levels of education.
The left uses a combination of propaganda and suppression to push kids into the ensnaring grip of socialism and anti-patriotism.
First is the propaganda.
Teachers will assign work instilling the idea that the pillars of Western civilization were evil, and their memories deserve to be thrown in the trash.
Here’s an example. I was helping one of my elementary school students with a homework assignment about listing famous Britons throughout history. She already had some of the more obvious ones: Shakespeare, Princess Diana, Queen Elizabeth.
“Well, how about Winston Churchill?” I recommended.
“Oh no, not him,” she replied. “He was a racist and didn’t think women should have rights. He wasn’t a good guy.”
I was floored. It clearly wasn’t something she came up with on her own. She was just regurgitating propaganda her teacher had taught her. All sense of nuance and critical thinking about the man who saved Europe from the Nazis was gone. Churchill committed “wrongthink,” so in the bin he goes.
Another way the left propagandizes is through the normalization of its views and positions as nonpolitical.
The Black Lives Matter organization is a prime example of this.
Many of my colleagues wore Black Lives Matter pins and apparel to school in blatant violation of school rules forbidding political statements on clothing.
When I asked for a justification of the behavior, I was told it wasn’t political to support the group, it was a matter of human rights.
The children would see these pins and clothes and connect radical leftist groups with basic human dignity. “How dare you question Black Lives Matter? I was taught this is a matter of human rights!”
But it isn’t just a matter of actively teaching that America and the West are evil.
Suppression of “wrongthink” is equally as important to the brainwashing process.
The lessons I was allowed to teach also were censored.
I was preparing a lesson on Thanksgiving involving Pilgrims and American Indians, with an activity centered on making paper tee-pees for arts and crafts. Cue the progressive panic.
Other teachers at the school were incensed that a non-Indian was “appropriating” Native American culture for an activity.
Of course, these teachers weren’t Indians either, they just wanted to virtue signal.
The whole thing culminated in a hilarious incident where my colleagues tracked down the one teacher on staff who was one-sixty-fourths Native American and asked her if it was cultural appropriation. In her esteemed authority, it most certainly was.
The school administrators pulled me aside and promptly nixed the project.
The suppression extends to American religious values as well. I would try to engage my students with folk stories from around the globe to teach them world history and other cultures.
Story time went on without a hitch until I decided to tell stories from the Bible. Other teachers began to complain I was preaching Christian values to the children and attempting to convert them.
Keep in mind, this wasn’t a problem when I was sharing stories from other ancient cultures throughout history.
Stories about ancient India and China were fine and encouraged as “sharing unheard voices.” After sharing the story of the Tower of Babel, I was told to switch back to "non-Christian" stories or face consequences.
The young adults who today gleefully tear down statues of the Founding Fathers were incubated in our very own schools, groomed to burst from the education system and burn America down.
The left argues the great men and women who built this nation are problematic and must be destroyed.
Conservatives must demand an end to the indoctrination of our youth or face a new American public taught since childhood that the country shouldn’t exist.
https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/im-former-teacher-heres-how-your-children-are-getting-indoctrinated-leftist
Just responding to Damo’s point about his “Uber-Christian” mom not limiting what he read with a “my mom bought me porn” post. My mom could be described as an “Uber-Christian” as well. Don’t be so demanding that we all stay on topic. It is a public message board after all.
So your trip down memory lane had no bearing on the topic. Thanks for confirming it.
You’re welcome.
Anytime you want to share more of your fondest childhood memories, feel free to interject them into my threads. I'm here for you.
Hey, thanks. I appreciate that.
Want to share any anecdotes about a Red Ryder BB gun your mom didn't want you to have? I love those.
I noticed in 1985 that the Michigan State University School of Education was captured by the forces which evolved into WOKE. Their product every year after that went out into the K-12 schools proselytizing. As these crap teachers invaded the schools our best teachers tended to leave, turning kids into obedient slaves to a cult is not what they signed up for.
It would take a couple of decades to fix the education system if we decided we wanted to, but it seems that not enough people want to do.
It would take a couple of decades to fix the education system if we decided we wanted to, but it seems that not enough people want to do.
Nah…my mom let me have any gun I could save up money to buy. I started that stuff in the 5th grade. Saved up for a single shot 22. Cost me $45. That was 9 lawns in the neighborhood.
Leftist Indoctrination In America’s Schools
America’s schools are dominated by the radical left.
The modern-day indoctrination of America’s youth was sparked by the No Child Left Behind Act signed into law by President Bush back in 2002.
The was the most major expansion of federal control over K-12 education in America’s history at the time that it was passed.
While this did not result in the immediate indoctrination of America’s youth, it laid the groundwork for the continual expansion of federal overreach in America’s K-12 schools, and is largely recognized as the turning point away from an education system that was controlled at the local level to the federalized K-12 "education" system that America has today.
Modern-day left-wing indoctrination in America’s schools largely relies on the Common Core Standards Initiative, which was adopted by 43 states in 2014.
The initiative sets uniform standards that every single K-12 student and teacher are forced to adhere to.
This began the destruction of individuality in America’s public schools.
The goal of Common Core is to create generations of Americans that were fed propaganda throughout the entirety of their childhood development.
Students are forced to accept the information uniformly provided to them without criticism, or they will suffer ostracism, ridicule, and disciplinary action. This is, by definition, forceful indoctrination.
It doesn’t stop there.
When Common Core K-12 "education" is completed, leftist colleges are waiting to complete the indoctrination process.
According to a 2016 study of 7,243 professors at America’s top 40 colleges, 3,623 professors were registered DEMOCRATS (50.02%), whereas just 314 self-identified as registered Republicans (8.67%).
This means that DEMOCRAT professors at America’s top colleges outnumber Republican professors by a ratio of nearly 12:1.
The results of left-wing indoctrination in America’s schools can be further seen in polling data on young Americans.
According to a 2018 Gallup poll, just 45% of millennials view capitalism positively. 51% of millennials view socialism positively. This indicates that young Americans increasingly endorse leftist dogma by a wide margin. These views conflict with the views of every previous generation of Americans. Just 28% of the Silent Generation, 30% of Baby Boomers, and 41% of Generation X view socialism positively.
In 2020, 69% of American college students claimed to have voted for Joe Biden, while just 19% of American college students said they voted for Donald Trump.
This disparity is larger than any other gap regardless of age, making current American college students the largest leftist demographic in America.
This, again, is not a coincidence, and is a direct result of systemic leftist indoctrination in both the K-12 education system and many college campuses.
With Joe Biden in the White House and DEMOCRATS in control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate, DEMOCRATS now feel emboldened to further indoctrinate America’s K-12 youth.
Biden’s Department of Education recently proposed using millions of dollars in taxpayer funds to provide grants exclusively to American schools that teach Critical Race Theory and the failing New York Times’s 1619 Project.
Countless schools across America already utilize these projects in their curriculum, and the Biden regime wants to provide American schools that haven’t already implemented them a direct financial incentive to do so.
Moreover, radical DEMOCRAT states such as California and Oregon are even waging war against math.
The Oregon Department of Education recently told teachers to register for a training course that calls for “dismantling racism in mathematics.”
The course argues that “white supremacy culture infiltrates math classrooms” because “the focus is on getting the right answer” and students are “required to show their work.”
DEMOCRATS in Oregon believe that math is racist because you need to get the answer right and show your work.
To quote the course toolkit, “Upholding the idea that there are always right and wrong answers perpetuate objectivity as well as fear of open conflict.”
In November, the California Department of Education will vote on whether or not to require teachers to take the same course referenced above.
DEMOCRATS across America are on a mission to further indoctrinate children. Do not allow them to succeed.
If you have children in public schools, get them out.
https://amac.us/leftist-indoctrination-in-americas-schools/
America’s schools are dominated by the radical left.
The modern-day indoctrination of America’s youth was sparked by the No Child Left Behind Act signed into law by President Bush back in 2002.
The was the most major expansion of federal control over K-12 education in America’s history at the time that it was passed.
While this did not result in the immediate indoctrination of America’s youth, it laid the groundwork for the continual expansion of federal overreach in America’s K-12 schools, and is largely recognized as the turning point away from an education system that was controlled at the local level to the federalized K-12 "education" system that America has today.
Modern-day left-wing indoctrination in America’s schools largely relies on the Common Core Standards Initiative, which was adopted by 43 states in 2014.
The initiative sets uniform standards that every single K-12 student and teacher are forced to adhere to.
This began the destruction of individuality in America’s public schools.
The goal of Common Core is to create generations of Americans that were fed propaganda throughout the entirety of their childhood development.
Students are forced to accept the information uniformly provided to them without criticism, or they will suffer ostracism, ridicule, and disciplinary action. This is, by definition, forceful indoctrination.
It doesn’t stop there.
When Common Core K-12 "education" is completed, leftist colleges are waiting to complete the indoctrination process.
According to a 2016 study of 7,243 professors at America’s top 40 colleges, 3,623 professors were registered DEMOCRATS (50.02%), whereas just 314 self-identified as registered Republicans (8.67%).
This means that DEMOCRAT professors at America’s top colleges outnumber Republican professors by a ratio of nearly 12:1.
The results of left-wing indoctrination in America’s schools can be further seen in polling data on young Americans.
According to a 2018 Gallup poll, just 45% of millennials view capitalism positively. 51% of millennials view socialism positively. This indicates that young Americans increasingly endorse leftist dogma by a wide margin. These views conflict with the views of every previous generation of Americans. Just 28% of the Silent Generation, 30% of Baby Boomers, and 41% of Generation X view socialism positively.
In 2020, 69% of American college students claimed to have voted for Joe Biden, while just 19% of American college students said they voted for Donald Trump.
This disparity is larger than any other gap regardless of age, making current American college students the largest leftist demographic in America.
This, again, is not a coincidence, and is a direct result of systemic leftist indoctrination in both the K-12 education system and many college campuses.
With Joe Biden in the White House and DEMOCRATS in control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate, DEMOCRATS now feel emboldened to further indoctrinate America’s K-12 youth.
Biden’s Department of Education recently proposed using millions of dollars in taxpayer funds to provide grants exclusively to American schools that teach Critical Race Theory and the failing New York Times’s 1619 Project.
Countless schools across America already utilize these projects in their curriculum, and the Biden regime wants to provide American schools that haven’t already implemented them a direct financial incentive to do so.
Moreover, radical DEMOCRAT states such as California and Oregon are even waging war against math.
The Oregon Department of Education recently told teachers to register for a training course that calls for “dismantling racism in mathematics.”
The course argues that “white supremacy culture infiltrates math classrooms” because “the focus is on getting the right answer” and students are “required to show their work.”
DEMOCRATS in Oregon believe that math is racist because you need to get the answer right and show your work.
To quote the course toolkit, “Upholding the idea that there are always right and wrong answers perpetuate objectivity as well as fear of open conflict.”
In November, the California Department of Education will vote on whether or not to require teachers to take the same course referenced above.
DEMOCRATS across America are on a mission to further indoctrinate children. Do not allow them to succeed.
If you have children in public schools, get them out.
https://amac.us/leftist-indoctrination-in-americas-schools/
Heartwarming.