bho's birth certificate revisited

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

First, there are detailed timelines of Ann Dunham's life all over the internet and nowhere is it shown that she ever traveled to Kenya, let alone gave birth there.

Next, Obama was born in the state of Hawaii, has the legal plus newspaper documentation to prove it, and nobody has ever found a single piece of evidence to refute this. "All persons born in Hawaii on or after April 30,1900, are native-born citizens of the United States. Hawaii was declared a U.S. State on August 21, 1959."

Finally, no matter where Obama's birth certificate lists as his place of birth, he's an AMERICAN CITIZEN by virtue of being born to one American parent.

"Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child."

Bottom line: he was born in the U.S. of a mother who was a U.S. citizen. Therefore, Obama is a natural-born U.S. citizen and all the conspiracy theories in the universe aren't going to change that. Read the State Department regulations on citizenship: http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

Now, what part of the above FACTS do you dispute?

I dispute almost ALL of the "facts" you presented. First of all, something does not become a "fact" because it is "documented" on the internet. Something published in a newspaper does not make it a fact. While a certification of live birth is considered a legal document, it is not proof of live birth, that can only come from the official long-form certificate issued and signed by the attending physician. That document has not been provided.

A person can be a legal American citizen, and still not qualify to run for President of the United States. Whether Obama is a legal citizen is not in question, and has nothing to do with the qualifications to run for president. According to the Constitution, it is required you be BORN in the US, on US soil. The McCain situation is the only 'exception' to the rule, as a US Military base abroad, is considered US soil. We've never had a US Military base in Kenya.

Now let's throw some REAL facts at you, and see what you can do to refute those... FACT: No long-form certificate of live birth has ever been provided. FACT: We do not know who the attending physician was that delivered baby Obama. FACT: Obama's very own grandmother claims she was IN Kenya and witnessed his birth there, not in Hawaii. FACT: No hospital in Hawaii has a record of Obama's birth, or even admittance of his mother during the month he claims to have been born.

I am glad you people have designated the name "Birthers" to describe those of us who question Obama's legitimacy. It tells me there are a great number of people who doubt Obama's legitimacy and don't accept the 'evidence' presented. If this were just a few nut cases who had no basis for the allegations, there wouldn't be any court cases, and I doubt anyone would go to the trouble of designating a name... they'd just be nuts!

 

[Damocles]

I'm simply being accurate. No hearing was held as you contend. You're simply trying to twist a stupid non-binding resolution that passed by unanimous consent as "Congressional oversight" over an issue that has nothing to do with anything.

Congress had less "oversight" over this than Margaret Truman Daniel and Her Lifetime Of Accomplishments.

That the hearing was short doesn't change what it was, and that it was on their list of scheduled hearings for that morning. It's stunning what you'll do to deflect.

There was a fricking vote in the Senate on the citizenship of one of the candidates based on his actual birth certificate that he provided, for the other, nada. Seriously, if you can't see the difference between how each were treated when the same question came up then you are deliberately covering your eyes. You remind me of the three monkeys that used to be on my friend's shelf.

The unprecedented delineation in the activity of the Senate towards one that had a question about his status, and towards another that had the same question is very interesting to me. And how much people are willing to go to ignore the differences, as they yell for ever more information on the past of one President, we don't hear a peep when the past of another is specifically curtailed. Even the simplest information that we have had on every President that I remember, such as college records, nope can't have them...

 

[Bonestorm]

That the hearing was short doesn't change what it was, and that it was on their list of scheduled hearings for that morning. It's stunning what you'll do to deflect.

There was a fricking vote in the Senate on the citizenship of one of the candidates based on his actual birth certificate that he provided, for the other, nada. Seriously, if you can't see the difference between how each were treated when the same question came up then you are deliberately covering your eyes. You remind me of the three monkeys that used to be on my friend's shelf.

The unprecedented delineation in the activity of the Senate towards one that had a question about his status, and towards another that had the same question is very interesting to me. And how much people are willing to go to ignore the differences, as they yell for ever more information on the past of one President, we don't hear a peep when the past of another is specifically curtailed. Even the simplest information that we have had on every President that I remember, such as college records, nope can't have them...

There was no fucking hearing. Jesus. Do you think they held a hearing on Margaret Truman Daniel and Her Lifetime Of Accomplishments? For Christ's sake.

Admit your error and move along.

It was a fucking non-binding resolution sponsored by the Democrats (co-sponsored by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton) to end the issue because it was such a mind-numbingly stupid issue. It was an act of graciousness and you want to pretend there was this far reaching congressional inquiry when, in reality, the Senate barely considered the thing and just passed it.

Had the Republicans acted with the same graciousness maybe the issue of Obama's birth certificate could be put to rest. But no, instead we get this nonsense.

And we're back to college records. Jesus.

Fucking jackass birther. I'm guessing you're a plaintiff somewhere in one of those cases. Anyone want to put odds on it?

 

[Damocles]

There was no fucking hearing. Jesus. Do you think they held a hearing on Margaret Truman Daniel and Her Lifetime Of Accomplishments? For Christ's sake.

Admit your error and move along.

It was a fucking non-binding resolution sponsored by the Democrats (co-sponsored by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton) to end the issue because it was such a mind-numbingly stupid issue. It was an act of graciousness and you want to pretend there was this far reaching congressional inquiry when, in reality, the Senate barely considered the thing and just passed it.

Had the Republicans acted with the same graciousness maybe the issue of Obama's birth certificate could be put to rest. But no, instead we get this nonsense.

And we're back to college records. Jesus.

Fucking jackass birther. I'm guessing you're a plaintiff somewhere in one of those cases. Anyone want to put odds on it?

I believe they asked if anybody wanted to speak, etc. then voted when none did. Or heard reasons why she deserved it if somebody spoke, yes. They had a "hearing" on it. It is what they do.

It is silly to "admit" to something that is not an error, it was scheduled for a hearing that morning, expected to be a short one, it was passed on with their recommendation. It is what they do.

And it wasn't Republicans that were questioning his Birth Certificate at that time, that is simply more attempt at deflection and ambiguity. What Rs stood in the way of such, can you even name one?

Calling me a "birther" Isn't getting the reaction you want, it's really just sad. However pointing out the total hypocrisy and difference in how the same question is taken seriously by the Senate in one case, but totally ignored in the other is really causing you to show your true colors. You take a sip of the kool aid, then get all "angry" and pretend that committees don't hold hearings if they are short ones, then you weakly try to pass off something like this?.. Then try to deflect by insult? Sad.

If you can't see the difference between the two cases of the same question by the same Senate, controlled by the same Democrats, then there is no hope for you to overcome this partisan blindness.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Dung, isn't it pretty fucking amazing? This will just not go away! Here we are, 6-months into the term, and the court cases continue, the message board posts continue, and the questions remain unanswered. All it would ever take to silence EVERY critic, is a certificate of live birth, signed by the attending physician. This is not like asking the impossible, every person who has been born in an American hospital in recent history, has a certificate of live birth issued by an attending physician. It's not some unreasonable obscure document that some people have and others don't. It's a pretty standard and routine document we all have. Why can't this be produced by Team Obama? Do they just enjoy a good fight? Do they just like having to defend themselves in court? Do they relish in the thought of thousands who continue to question Obama's legitimacy? What could be the possible reasons for not producing a relatively routine document, and ending all of this once and for all?

 

[Bonestorm]

I believe they asked if anybody wanted to speak, etc. then voted when none did. Or heard reasons why she deserved it if somebody spoke, yes. They had a "hearing" on it. It is what they do.

It is silly to "admit" to something that is not an error, it was scheduled for a hearing that morning, expected to be a short one, it was passed on with their recommendation. It is what they do.

And it wasn't Republicans that were questioning his Birth Certificate at that time, that is simply more attempt at deflection and ambiguity. What Rs stood in the way of such?

Calling me a "birther" Isn't getting the reaction you want, it's really just sad. However pointing out the total hypocrisy and difference in how the same question is taken seriously by the Senate in one case, but totally ignored in the other is really causing you to show you true colors.

As I said a few posts ago, a business meeting is not a hearing. A hearing is a hearing and a business meeting is a business meeting. No hearing was held. Not a short one, not a long one. None. It was a business meeting where issues not requiring a hearing (such as the Resolution Honoring Margaret Whatsherface's Lifetime Achievements) could be dealt with expeditiously and without delay.

The idea that this resolution was "taken seriously in the Senate" is hilarious. It was taken so seriously that they didn't hold a single hearing on it, didn't have any debate on it and passed it by unanimous consent. As I said, if only the Republicans were gracious enough to do the same maybe we wouldn't have to go through this stuff.

But, Republicans are dicks. Not only are they the type of dicks that won't act graciously towards those that act graciously towards them, but they're the type of dicks that take your graciousness and turn around and use it as evidence against you.

 

[Damocles]

Dung, isn't it pretty fucking amazing? This will just not go away! Here we are, 6-months into the term, and the court cases continue, the message board posts continue, and the questions remain unanswered. All it would ever take to silence EVERY critic, is a certificate of live birth, signed by the attending physician. This is not like asking the impossible, every person who has been born in an American hospital in recent history, has a certificate of live birth issued by an attending physician. It's not some unreasonable obscure document that some people have and others don't. It's a pretty standard and routine document we all have. Why can't this be produced by Team Obama? Do they just enjoy a good fight? Do they just like having to defend themselves in court? Do they relish in the thought of thousands who continue to question Obama's legitimacy? What could be the possible reasons for not producing a relatively routine document, and ending all of this once and for all?

And according to the State of Hawaii it is definitely in existence and can be seen with the permission of just one person. It could all be over now, except for the True Birthers who will believe he paid somebody to make a fake.

 

[Damocles]

As I said a few posts ago, a business meeting is not a hearing. A hearing is a hearing and a business meeting is a business meeting. No hearing was held. Not a short one, not a long one. None. It was a business meeting where issues not requiring a hearing (such as the Resolution Honoring Margaret Whatsherface's Lifetime Achievements) could be dealt with expeditiously and without delay.

The idea that this resolution was "taken seriously in the Senate" is hilarious. It was taken so seriously that they didn't hold a single hearing on it, didn't have any debate on it and passed it by unanimous consent. As I said, if only the Republicans were gracious enough to do the same maybe we wouldn't have to go through this stuff.

But, Republicans are dicks. Not only are they the type of dicks that won't act graciously towards those that act graciously towards them, but they're the type of dicks that take your graciousness and turn around and use it as evidence against you.

Yeah, it was taken so not seriously that they totally did nothing at all.

Deflect all you wish, in one case we have direct information and even a Senate vote, in the other we have deflection and obfuscation and rejection for transparency. And the people who defend the obfuscation are the very ones who reviled the past President for what appears to be the same type of thing.

 

[Damocles]

I stand by my prediction earlier, at some point we will see the documents they are asking for (probably not what passport he used to go to Pakistan a zillion years ago, but I think we all know what I am saying, the available ones) and that both sides will be disappointed with the result.

 

[Bonestorm]

Yeah, it was taken so not seriously that they totally did nothing at all.

Deflect all you wish, in one case we have direct information and even a Senate vote, in the other we have deflection and obfuscation and rejection for transparency. And the people who defend the obfuscation are the very ones who reviled the past President for what appears to be the same type of thing.

No, they passed it without question to resovle the matter as an act of graciousness towards their colleague that, in typical Republican fashion, was not reciprocated. And now you use Obama's co-sponsorship of the resolution as a mark against him. As I said, Republicans are a special kind of dick.

 

[Damocles]

No, they passed it without question to resovle the matter as an act of graciousness towards their colleague that, in typical Republican fashion, was not reciprocated. And now you use Obama's co-sponsorship of the resolution as a mark against him. As I said, Republicans are a special kind of dick.

Again, name one R that was unwilling to reciprocate. At that time the only person asking for that kind of information was a lawyer who supported Hillary and has been a Democrat for over 40 years.

More deflection.

 

[Don Quixote]

I think it would have at the beginning, but I don't know if it would now, in fact I don't think it would. He's had plenty of time to get somebody to create a nice "fake" and the True Birthers probably wouldn't stop.

One thing is for certain, had it happened early on, the Democratic Lawyer that started it all would have stopped, he wouldn't be going on about how he could not be a natural born citizen because he lost citizenship when he became an Indonesian citizen and when you regain it you don't magically get back your natural born status...

Seriously, that is where the dude is at right now.

when did he become an indonesian citizen?

 

[Damocles]

when did he become an indonesian citizen?

When he went to school there. You could not attend school in Indonesia by law without first gaining citizenship.

His argument is that at that time neither nation allowed for dual citizenship, in order to gain Indonesian citizenship he had to have his US citizenship revoked. Upon returning to the US his citizenship status was no longer "natural born".

 

[Don Quixote]

When he went to school there. You could not attend school in Indonesia by law without first gaining citizenship.

His argument is that at that time neither nation allowed for dual citizenship, in order to gain Indonesian citizenship he had to have his US citizenship revoked. Upon returning to the US his citizenship status was no longer "natural born".

how is it that this was not brought to light before the election?

 

[Bonestorm]

how is it that this was not brought to light before the election?

It was. It's just stupid. There are only a few ways you can legally renounce your citizenship. Attending grade school is not one of them.

 

[Damocles]

how is it that this was not brought to light before the election?

Because no courts would take the case until after the election, the courts take a long time. The dude waited too long basically. His first case was rejected as he had no standing, the next one had one of his opponents as the plaintiff, but it was later dismissed as well.

It was. It's just stupid. There are only a few ways you can legally renounce your citizenship. Attending grade school is not one of them.

And Dungheap, don't forget that children at that time could still hold dual citizenship and then were allowed to decide at age of majority which nation they wanted citizenship with. Even when you couldn't hold two as an adult, children were an exception.

The guy is weird, but he certainly holds to his convictions.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Because no courts would take the case until after the election, the courts take a long time. The dude waited too long basically. His first case was rejected as he had no standing, the next one had one of his opponents as the plaintiff, but it was later dismissed as well.

And Onceler, don't forget that children at that time could still hold dual citizenship and then were allowed to decide at age of majority which nation they wanted citizenship with. Even when you couldn't hold two, children were an exception.

The guy is weird, but he certainly holds to his convictions.

DQ = onceler?

 

[Damocles]

DQ = onceler?

No, I was answering DQ's post and Dungheap's at the same time, I just didn't multi-quote it.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

I dispute almost ALL of the "facts" you presented. First of all, something does not become a "fact" because it is "documented" on the internet. Something published in a newspaper does not make it a fact. While a certification of live birth is considered a legal document, it is not proof of live birth, that can only come from the official long-form certificate issued and signed by the attending physician. That document has not been provided.

A person can be a legal American citizen, and still not qualify to run for President of the United States. Whether Obama is a legal citizen is not in question, and has nothing to do with the qualifications to run for president. According to the Constitution, it is required you be BORN in the US, on US soil. The McCain situation is the only 'exception' to the rule, as a US Military base abroad, is considered US soil. We've never had a US Military base in Kenya.

Now let's throw some REAL facts at you, and see what you can do to refute those... FACT: No long-form certificate of live birth has ever been provided. FACT: We do not know who the attending physician was that delivered baby Obama. FACT: Obama's very own grandmother claims she was IN Kenya and witnessed his birth there, not in Hawaii. FACT: No hospital in Hawaii has a record of Obama's birth, or even admittance of his mother during the month he claims to have been born.

I am glad you people have designated the name "Birthers" to describe those of us who question Obama's legitimacy. It tells me there are a great number of people who doubt Obama's legitimacy and don't accept the 'evidence' presented. If this were just a few nut cases who had no basis for the allegations, there wouldn't be any court cases, and I doubt anyone would go to the trouble of designating a name... they'd just be nuts!

Children Born to one U.S. citizen and one alien parent

a. Born before or on November 13, 1986

The U.S. citizen parent must have been physically present in the United States for a cumulative period (or periods totaling) ten years before the birth of the child, at least five years of which were after the U.S. citizen parent reached the age of fourteen. If this requirement is met, the child acquires U.S. citizenship under the provisions of Section 301(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

 

[Don Quixote]

DQ = onceler?

onceler?

not bloody likely