PostmodernProphet
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well if you already knew the answer I'm glad I didn't waste the time finding you a link......
Terrible news for the Creation Science museum (and Republicans)
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well if you already knew the answer I'm glad I didn't waste the time finding you a link......
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
a cop out.....abiogenesis is not a scientific reading......your best guess has no more merit than my religious beliefs.....
Dutch Uncle
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I wouldn't use the term "creation". But I have always floated the ideas of patterns that have always existed. For example, the structures of molecules and atoms. How they are arranged. That's mathematical and doesn't change. It is just there.
Does math exist or is it a human invention? That's the question.
Math is a human invention to understand reality. It's a tool. The nature of our Universe remains constant regardless of human interpretation.
A Qless asshole can tell me he can fly all day long but if he steps off a pier then the constants of our Universe remain constant due to the gravity of the situation.
Math is a way to calculate his fall. Math is a tool for understanding, it can't change his fall.
Think about it this way.... humans invent math, correct? Now will aliens arrive at the same equations elsewhere? Is the number pi the same everywhere and will always be derived everywhere? Think Contact.
BidenPresident
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How would we know it remains constant?
Dutch Uncle
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As JPP proves daily. LOL
Math is a tool. That's like saying "it’s no coincidence" wrenches work on lugnuts. Duh. No shit.
Dutch Uncle
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Hire 100 starving college student to test it. I predict 100% positive results for this scenario.
BidenPresident
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Mistake to read your garbage.
Pi, the Pythagorean theorem, the gravitational constant, the Boltzmann constant are innate dimensionless/unitless properties of reality. So it seems math exists independently of human logic.I wouldn't use the term "creation". But I have always floated the ideas of patterns that have always existed. For example, the structures of molecules and atoms. How they are arranged. That's mathematical and doesn't change. It is just there.
Does math exist or is it a human invention? That's the question.
I think the same way too.
Dutch Uncle
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Lugnuts aren't a result of natural selection or evolution.
Aren't the same principles at work? Why is the hexagon superior to the square in nature? Math is a tool for divining the truth. <--
Lugnut design is man following nature's rules. Isn't that man using natural selection as a guide for his tools?
https://nautil.us/issue/35/boundaries/why-nature-prefers-hexagons
Why Nature Prefers Hexagons
Aren't the same principles at work? Why is the hexagon superior to the square in nature? Math is a tool for divining the truth. <--
Lugnut design is man following nature's rules. Isn't that man using natural selection as a guide for his tools?
https://nautil.us/issue/35/boundaries/why-nature-prefers-hexagons
Why Nature Prefers Hexagons
You just proved my point.
Math (hexagons specifically) have always existed before humans were around.
Dutch Uncle
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The relationship of a circle's circumference to its diameter exists regardless if mankind understands that quirk of our universe or not. Math is a tool for understanding.
IMO, it's egotistical to say man invented fire. We didn't. Mankind found a tool/ means to make fire, a property that pre-existed in our universe and predates man.
Dutch Uncle
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You just proved my point.
Math (hexagons specifically) have always existed before humans were around.
Agreed.
Did you watch the video I posted? It's an interesting thought.
Halp me me think me brain is brokened.
Dutch Uncle
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Yes. Obviously I'm on the side that reality, like gravity, exists outside the human mind.
Reality exists...as the Qless insurrectionists are finding out. LOL
Dutch Uncle
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Why do you care?
You edited out the rest of my post where I stated I do not categorically rule out the possibility divine providence played a role in biological emergence. Maybe it did.
I have consistently attempted to train my mind from shutting off any possibilities for emergence, in spite of your attempts to write responses to what you wish I wrote.