UFO's.....old hat, new interests.

Cypress said:
I really wanted Nessie to be true, and there is a lot of eyewitness testimony of weird things in the Loch, but I cannot ignore that the evidence just doesn't amount to a pleiseosaur living in the lake
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I was a big fan of UFO and Ancient Astronaut books in the 1960s/1970s....then I outgrew them. :)
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Compared to what? The dinosaurs?

Agreed. All I'm saying is that there is zero evidence of extraterrestrial life. Funny lights are not evidence.

Notice only the wackadoodles are asserting that such life exists despite a complete lack of supporting facts.
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Absence of evidence is merely absence of evidence


It merely implies we don’t know enough to determine without a doubt


Mankind is creative


Good thing we are
 
evince said:
If life does exist elsewhere we are the Unknown life
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Poetic, but not scientific.

Even if we're the only life in our galaxy, there's an estimated two trillion galaxies in the Universe. Nonetheless, stars and galaxies are not evidence of life.

https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-news/universe-2-trillion-galaxies/

Now the number can be said to be about 2 trillion, with the caveat that this estimate doesn't go back a full 13.8 billion years, it's 600 million years short. (Not many galaxies could have formed before then.) The only reason the number is 10 times bigger now is that you can legitimately include more of those littlest early building blocks; they're no longer so theoretical. The total amount of stuff — stars and gas — hasn't changed.

So no, we do not "also have to update the number of stars in the observable universe, which now numbers around 700 sextillion," as some uninformed science writers are saying. That's what they get for taking press-release hype literally.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. People. No doubt they built the funny lights the Navy pilots saw too. :)
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Actually the explanations I have seen proffered include camera aperture and such


Who knows


What I and two others saw was a physical craft with lights that shown down on us without sound


I have NEVER seen anything that would explain it

To this day man does NOT have the capability to build such a craft
 
evince said:
Absence of evidence is merely absence of evidence


It merely implies we don’t know enough to determine without a doubt


Mankind is creative


Good thing we are
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I am the first person who would like it to be true that there is intelligent life in the universe.

The fact that after 70 years of UFO sightings, there really is not a single reputable astrophysicist or astronomer with a research program looking into the evidence for alien spaceships flying around our planet leads me to believe the evidence is just pretty weak.
 
evince said:
Actually the explanations I have seen proffered include camera aperture and such


Who knows


What I and two others saw was a physical craft with lights that shown down on us without sound

I have NEVER seen anything that would explain it

To this day man does NOT have the capability to build such a craft
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No doubt you saw something. You have no evidence it was physical. David Copperfield specialized in illusions.

For all you know it was a holographic projection from the Skunkworks. A holographic weapon is more believable than Space Aliens. :)
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Trillions of stars are evidence of trillions of stars, not space aliens.

The odds? Based on what logic? The odds of drawing the Ace of Spades from randomly mixed deck of cards is 1 in 52. Why is this true? Because there are 52 cards in the deck and only one Ace of Spades.

How do we know there is life on other planets? We don't because there is zero evidence of life except for Earth.

Could there be? Sure. Is there? No one knows. This isn't rocket science, folks. It's based on logic, not feelings. :)
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Dolphins and octopuses are intelligent life. Even crows are better problem solvers than politicians. We have at least 3 intelligent life forms right here on earth. So yes, the odds are very good that other planets and moons have intelligent life, too. The problem is they're too far away to get here before our species causes its own extinction.
 
evince said:
It would be awesome for science huh


We could learn so much


We have found live ancient creatures before
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We will undoutedly find exotic animals we never knew existed in the deep ocean or Amazon rainforest. That is perfectly reasonable to expect.

The ability of space aliens to fly spaceships here on a consistent basis from distant star systems defies our understanding of the laws of physics, so at this time I feel we should generally not expect or assume interstellar spacecraft are being piloted around our atmosphere on a routine basis -- unless convincing and unimpeachable evidence shows otherwise.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I remember. Are you asserting Nessie lives at the bottom of the ocean with MH370?
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Nessy


How long could the entire universe have had no life but us?


Are we the first?


It’s possible

But unlikely


We are nearer to being able to spread life through the universe
 
evince said:
Nessy


How long could the entire universe have had no life but us?


Are we the first?


It’s possible

But unlikely


We are nearer to being able to spread life through the universe
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It didn't even have us for over half of the Universe's existence. :)

Ummmm....we can't even colonize our own moon. The human race is one plague, one supervolcano or one impact event from ceasing to exist.
 
Cypress said:
We will undoutedly find exotic animals we never knew existed in the deep ocean or Amazon rainforest. That is perfectly reasonable to expect.

The ability of space aliens to fly spaceships here on a consistent basis from distant star systems defies our understanding of the laws of physics, so at this time I feel we should generally not expect or assume interstellar spacecraft are being piloted around our atmosphere on a routine basis -- unless convincing and unimpeachable evidence shows otherwise.
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I don’t know who was controlling the craft I saw


I thought for sure it was that the military had some advanced tech that years later I could say “hey I saw one of those way back in the early 1980s”


Never happened


I did see one of those stealth bombers right before they admitted its existence back when I lived in Vegas


It was blatant they wanted it seen

We laughed when we saw it in the sky
 
evince said:
Absence of evidence is merely absence of evidence

It merely implies we don’t know enough to determine without a doubt

Mankind is creative


Good thing we are
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Correct about evidence. The problem in this thread is that people are asserting an absence of evidence is evidence of existence. That's just silly.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It didn't even have us for over half of the Universe's existence. :)

Ummmm....we can't even colonize our own moon. The human race is one plague, one supervolcano or one impact event from ceasing to exist.
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True


How many times has life started somewhere and then gone extinct somewhere in the universe?
 
goat said:
Dolphins and octopuses are intelligent life. Even crows are better problem solvers than politicians. We have at least 3 intelligent life forms right here on earth. So yes, the odds are very good that other planets and moons have intelligent life, too. The problem is they're too far away to get here before our species causes its own extinction.
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All Earthly creations. Let me know when the Crows or Dolphins compete with us for mineral rights in the South China Sea. ;)


https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...ak-silence-sorry-but-no-space-aliens-or-ufos/
Area 51 vets break silence: Sorry, but no space aliens or UFOs
 
evince said:
True

How many times has life started somewhere and then gone extinct somewhere in the universe?
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Unknown. Zero evidence.

One theory says, due to our relative late arrival, all of those space aliens existed and died out leaving us alone. Maybe we'll find a Stargate. :)
 
This Air Force Jet Was Scrambled to Intercept a UFO—Then Disappeared

Hope he did not fire on the UFO?

The night an Air Force jet mysteriously disappeared over Lake Superior—November 23, 1953—was a stormy one.

Near the U.S.-Canadian border, U.S. Air Defense Command noticed a blip on the radar where it shouldn’t have been: an unidentified object in restricted air space over Lake Superior, not far from Soo Locks, the Great Lakes’ most vital commercial gateway. An F-89C Scorpion jet, from Truax Air Force Base in Madison, Wisconsin, took off from nearby Kinross AFB to investigate, with two crew members on board. First Lieutenant Felix Moncla—who had clocked 811 flying hours, including 121 in a similar aircraft—took the pilot’s seat, while Second Lieutenant Robert Wilson was observing radar.

The men would not return from their intercept mission.

What followed, according to Donald Keyhoe, the former Marine Corps naval aviator and UFO researcher who wrote about the incident in his 1955 book The Flying Saucer Conspiracy—was “one of the strangest cases on record.”

https://www.history.com/news/ufo-fighter-jet-disappears-over-lake-superior-kinross-incident
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