Because We Can't Talk About It Enough . . . Another Torture Thread

[BRUTALITOPS]

Like abortion law? I can think of a lot of people in which a retroactive abortion would be appropriate....you for example!

please mottley you are smarter than this.

And no I would NOT agree with your scenario. If you actually read my posts around here you would not that. Quit being an idiot.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

I jest of course Grind. You know you're our favorite crumudgeon! LOL

*sigh*

 

[Cancel10]

Only people who care about the country more then their party, which means not conservatives.

I don't give a fuck about parties, either. I'm looking at this issue as an independent. Waterboarding has undoubtedly saved thousands of American lives, and in my mind that is sufficient reason to continue its practice.

Better a few Arabs having nightmares about drowning than another 9/11.

 

[zappasguitar]

Hi, I'm grind, you must be retarded. Nice to meet you.

You are being incredibly facetious by suggesting that I can just go get waterboarded any time I choose. Again point me to the nearest waterboarder.

All you need is a board, a bucket of water, a towel and a couple of friends to hold you down.

It's not like it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy the needed supplies.

You are being facetious by pretending you couldn't be waterboarded in 15 minutes if you chose to.

 

[DamnYankee]

I am STUNNED that you would attempt to inject your thoughts into this discussion if you were, in fact, so poorly informed.

Well... I guess "stunned" is really not the right word... "mildly amused" might be more accurate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_Against_Torture


"Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity."

believing that you are about to die by drowning clearly qualifies as a situation that would inflict severe mental pain or suffering.

You lost this debate before yet you bring it up again. Again, by your definition, the "Tower of Terror" amusement park ride would be torture.

 

[maineman]

You lost this debate before yet you bring it up again. Again, by your definition, the "Tower of Terror" amusement park ride would be torture.

ridiculous. the tower of terror amusement park ride is not for

"such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person."

and you must really be a fraidy-cat.... I've been on every scary amusement park ride I have ever come across and NEVER suffered from severe pain or suffering from any of them.

merely inflicting mental or physical pain or suffering does not constitute torture...there must be the appropriate purpose.

 

[zappasguitar]

ridiculous. the tower of terror amusement park ride is not for

"such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person."

and you must really be a fraidy-cat.... I've been on every scary amusement park ride I have ever come across and NEVER suffered from severe pain or suffering from any of them.

merely inflicting mental or physical pain or suffering does not constitute torture...there must be the appropriate purpose.

NOW I get it.

He won't submit himself to test his theory about waterboarding because even the Tower of Terror scares him.

Makes one wonder if getting out of bed in the AM scares him too?

 

[DamnYankee]

ridiculous. the tower of terror amusement park ride is not for

"such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person."

and you must really be a fraidy-cat.... I've been on every scary amusement park ride I have ever come across and NEVER suffered from severe pain or suffering from any of them.

merely inflicting mental or physical pain or suffering does not constitute torture...there must be the appropriate purpose.

I'm not surprised that you are backing off your earlier interpretation:

believing that you are about to die ... clearly qualifies as a situation that would inflict severe mental pain or suffering.

 

[maineman]

I have "backed off" nothing. I merely pointed out how absolutely ridiculous - and irrelevant - your tower of terror post was.

 

[DamnYankee]

I have "backed off" nothing. I merely pointed out how absolutely ridiculous - and irrelevant - your tower of terror post was.

Actually, you made an interpretation earlier that, after I pointed out how broad it was, you now choose to ignore.

 

[maineman]

Actually, you made an interpretation earlier that, after I pointed out how broad it was, you now choose to ignore.

I choose to ignore nothing. I have backed off nothing. IMO waterboarding is torture and it violates the law..... riding the tower of terror does NOT....

 

[DamnYankee]

I choose to ignore nothing. I have backed off nothing. IMO waterboarding is torture and it violates the law..... riding the tower of terror does NOT....

I see that you are resorting to your "opinion" again in attempt to salvage your argument. Legal experts that advised the Bush Administration have a different opinion. Are you more of an expert than they?

 

[maineman]

I see that you are resorting to your "opinion" again in attempt to salvage your argument. Legal experts that advised the Bush Administration have a different opinion. Are you more of an expert than they?

I am not a legal expert.... neither are you. There are legal experts that have stated that waterboarding is torture. I tend to agree with them. you don't. not exactly surprising.

 

[DamnYankee]

I am not a legal expert.... neither are you. There are legal experts that have stated that waterboarding is torture. I tend to agree with them. you don't. not exactly surprising.

Yet you can't justify you opinion logically- not surprising.

 

[maineman]

Yet you can't justify you opinion logically- not surprising.

I did justify it logically. the fact that you are incapable of comprehending logic is beyond my control.

 

[DamnYankee]

I did justify it logically. the fact that you are incapable of comprehending logic is beyond my control.

Actually, you contradicted yourself.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

NOW I get it.

He won't submit himself to test his theory about waterboarding because even the Tower of Terror scares him.

Makes one wonder if getting out of bed in the AM scares him too?

You know that's the point that I've made over and over again about this issue on Terrorism. To many of the reactions that have occurred, The USA Patriot Act (Or as I call it, The Yellow Bellied Coward Act.), Guantanimo and the use of torture are the products and actions of cowards.

If we bastardize the principles of what American stands for to protect our selves from terrorist then it doesn't mean anything to be an American any more and the terrorist win.

The point is simple. America stands for human rights and the rights of Individuals and we will fight for those rights and if that means we have to work twice as hard as the next country to defend our people and protect our rights then so be it. I'm not afraid to do that.

I feel pretty much contempt for those cowards who would limit our rights and torture a fellow human being because they are afraid. That is not what it means to be an American.

 

[WinterBorn]

You know that's the point that I've made over and over again about this issue on Terrorism. To many of the reactions that have occurred, The USA Patriot Act (Or as I call it, The Yellow Bellied Coward Act.), Guantanimo and the use of torture are the products and actions of cowards.

If we bastardize the principles of what American stands for to protect our selves from terrorist then it doesn't mean anything to be an American any more and the terrorist win.

The point is simple. America stands for human rights and the rights of Individuals and we will fight for those rights and if that means we have to work twice as hard as the next country to defend our people and protect our rights then so be it. I'm not afraid to do that.

I feel pretty much contempt for those cowards who would limit our rights and torture a fellow human being because they are afraid. That is not what it means to be an American.

In other words we either take the high road or we don't.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

In other words we either take the high road or we don't.

Well I don't know about that, I'd put it more like this and if you think about it, this is part of the genius of our country, in America, we do what's right and when we're wrong.....we fix it!

That's what's happening now. We made some big mistakes during the Bush years and we are now fixing those mistakes. Isn't it a great country?

 

[maineman]

Actually, you contradicted yourself.

not at all... you have a reading comprehension deficiency that you should address... is there a Sylvan Learning Center near you? They might be able to assist you.