The felons from Jan 6 should never legally carry a gun again.

[Into the Night]

Where does it say that in the 2nd Amendment?

It doesn't.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

OK so now you're going to argue that the military's job isn't to defend the country because they couldn't stop 19 guys armed with boxcutters on 9/11, and couldn't be expected to stop them either?

So if we couldn't expect the Military to protect us on 9/11, how can we expect them to protect us at all?

Do you understand the military wasn't sent to solve the problem until after 9/11? Do you understand Bill Clinton was aware of the severe threat, especially since the WTC was already attacked on his watch, but never ordered the attack because he was concerned about his reputation?

William Jefferson Clinton is a draft-dodging coward who didn't do his duty as POTUS because he put his needs over those of the nation.

 

[LV426]

did you ever actually take a civics class? understand how the military works? where their orders come from? how they can't just operate on their own but need civilian leaders to tell them what to do????

They need civilian leaders to tell them to protect our country from guys armed with boxcutters who hijack airplanes?

Really?

Really?

You're going with that?

So it would appear that our military is completely and totally helpless when it comes to their sole function, and require someone to tell them that they have to protect the country.

This thread is very enlightening.

 

[Into the Night]

right where it defines 'shall not be infringed' to mean 'reasonable regulations'..............

There is no such definition in the Constitution of the United States. 'Shall not be infinged' means just that. NO law limiting or banning of any weapon.

 

[LV426]

would you approve of a military coup that ousts civilian officials and takes over to better protect the country????

They can't even protect the country NOW, so how the fuck would they possibly protect it any better if they were in charge?

 

[Into the Night]

That's what I don't get. It says "shall not be infringed" and yet we still infringe on people's right to own arms.

Indeed. The government infringes on natural rights quite regularly. Each time they do, they are exceeding their authority and may become liable for the costs of that infringement.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There is no such definition in the Constitution of the United States. 'Shall not be infinged' means just that. NO law limiting or banning of any weapon.

Yayyyyy! Over 20,000 posts and INT/IBDa/gfm gets one right!!!

 

[Into the Night]

With 32 years experience in law enforcement, the only real felon I saw on January 6 was the person in the Capitol who shot an unarmed woman.

Bingo. Unfortunately, who this guy is is not known. The gun was leveled, carefully aimed, and fired once, then lowered out of sight.

That's just murder.

 

[Bulletbob]

I do know the law, I did not ask what the law IS, I asked "should". Those are two different things, no wonder you are so misinformed, you have poor reading comprehension.

iM NO\T MISINFORMED ABOUT ABOUT THE LAW.
You have to be arrested tried in court and convicted to be a felon and loose your gun right . anything less is illegal .
you cant take a persons gun rights or voting rights or call them a felon unless they are arrested
and charged and convicted . . you want to convict them fvor the sound of it with out arrest with out evidence and without a court hearing

 

[Into the Night]

I am confused by Jarot's ignorance of the law.....



https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-someone-possess-gun-after-criminal-conviction.html

FRC 18, $922 is unconstitutional.

 

[LV426]

You're lying again, dear.

What am I lying about?

You said they did their duty...well, they didn't do their duty QED.

They failed to protect us from a virus.

They failed to protect us from teenage hackers.

They failed to protect us from 19 guys armed with boxcutters.

They failed to protect us from 19-year-old mass shooters.

They even failed to protect the seat of our government from Nazis and Confederates, some of whom already were in the military.

I'm so fucking over the military.

I'm sick of the money pit.

I'm sick of the entitlement.

I'm sick of spending $1T every fucking year on something that couldn't even keep us safe.

Y'all want to jock the military's dick from atop a pile of several hundred thousand corpses, and among the skeletal remains of the integrity of our democracy and elections that foreigners shredded.

 

[Into the Night]

If I may be so bold, but it springs from the majority of the population being more afraid of their fellow americans than it does the healthy fear of government overreach. Therefore, no right is absolute, All rights can be regulated, and if necessary, removed because you are more dangerous to our sensitivities than mass murder by government

WRONG. The right of self defense is inherent. It comes from no piece of paper or by any permission from any government. That right includes the use of any weapon. The 2nd amendment specifically directs the government HANDS OFF. It specifically discusses two related rights:

The right of a State to defend itself.
The right of an individual to defend himself.

NEITHER SHALL BE INFRINGED.

 

[Into the Night]

in the mainstream world, government agents do no wrong, and on the off chance that they do, they can just give out some money to the family and all is well

Not justice. You can't buy your way out of murder.

 

[Into the Night]

So if a person wrecks his car recklessly, ending in injures and damages, should his right to drive and own a car be removed?

No. He should, however, be held responsible for the injuries and damages he caused.

 

[LV426]

1. That is lie #14
2. That is also a lie, #15
3. Also a lie #16

WTF are you babbling about? These numbered responses don't correspond to anything in my post.

just what do you think marines do

I don't know what they do, because they sure as shit don't protect this country from real threats.

ait, I thought you only respected guys in fox holes. national guard don't sit in foxholes for the most part

National Guard help recover and protect people from actual threats, like Climate Change, the KKK, or a pandemic.

So those people are 100% cool by me because they have a defined role and track record of success, assistance, and protection.

The Marines do not.

There is an argument for downsizing but for every guy in a foxhole you need several support personell so you are ignorant here.

1. Do they?

2. Where are the foxholes today?

(That's how you number responses in a post, just FYI)

 

[LV426]

Funny how you pick 20 years instead of the last 100.

LMAO!

Most of the people who fought WWII are now dead.

Most everyone on this board wasn't even alive during WWII.

What have you done for me lately?

 

[Into the Night]

The difference being?

Being responsible for the costs of injuries and damages is not losing a right.

Here's other point to ponder.
Many ex-felons, some of them celebrities, have never used a gun in a commission of a felony or even owned one. And they are still denied the right to own guns. Why? I am sure Americans trust Tim Allen.

Makes no difference. The right of self defense is inherent. Even felons have that right. A felon IS, however, responsible for what he has done.

 

[Into the Night]

As a Libertarian and lover of the constitution as an absolute, once those 'ex-felons' are back in society, they should have every right that everyone else has. If they can't be trusted in public with a weapon, they shouldn't be in public.

Bingo.

There is, however, one fly in this ointment that you are not considering:

What of the prisoner that is attacked by another prisoner. Does that prisoner have the right to defend himself by any means?

 

[Into the Night]

Never said that, but what you saw at the Capital was neither a well organized or tactically sound effort. That said, groups such as the Oath Keepers are not numerous enough to actually do anything than to commit acts of terror, and that will not bring recruits to their cause, whatever that is. The fact of the matter is most Vets saw the attack on the Capital as a treasonous act, I sure did, especially by those that served, so do not think for a second that Vets as a whole would ever support an insurrection. You took an Oath to this Nation, it does not end when you get out if you truly have Honor.

That said, if we truly had a Government and Leader that was an enemy to Democracy, the Constitution, and the Republic I would stand right there with you as would huge numbers of Vets and other Americans, that day is not here, no matter what some want to claim. Keep a cool head and remember your Oath.

What attack on the capitol?

 

[LV426]

Maybe if you had ever served in the military then you'd know more history and the chain of command.

*BIG SIGH*

Well, I only have the benefit of living as an adult in the 21st century, and that experience has never once proved the military defends and protects this country.

Where was the military on 9/11?

Where was the military on COVID?

Where was the military on Climate Change?

Where was the military during Parkland?

Where was the military when foreign hackers attacked our nuclear system?

Where was the military when foreign meddlers messed with our elections, our most sacred of democratic processes that were totally ripped to shreds by malicious foreigners?

Where was the military on 1/6? Trick question because some of the terrorists on 1/6 were from the military.

The military also has a white supremacist problem that it needs to root out if it wants to be taken seriously as an institution that protects this country.