you are very wrong. your entire post is incorrect.
Quite right. Every thing in Nordberg's post is incorrect.
Everyone supports finding alternative sources of energy
You don't get to speak for everyone. You are not God. People still buy coal, oil, natural gas, propane, hydrogen, windmills, solar panels, solar stills, nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power, geothermal plants, tidal power plants, etc. What do you consider 'alternative sources of energy'?
and reducing our dependence on fossil fuels.
We have no dependence on fossil fuels. Fossils don't burn. They are not used as fuel.
the issue here is the fake "science" of AGW or now climate change
The Church of Global Warming denies science and mathematics. Specifically, they deny the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law, and they deny probability math, random number math, and statistical math. They use random numbers as 'data', fail to declare and justify a variance, fail to calculate a margin of error value, and use biased raw data or even just make up numbers (random numbers) and use that as 'data'.
since the warming has been proven to not be happening.
WRONG. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. We have no idea if it's warming, cooling, or just staying the same. Assuming a constant output from the Sun, the Earth will cycle through warming and cooling each year, as the Earth passes perihelion and aphelion.
I also want people to address the fake link between pollution and climate.
Okay. There is none, other than that they are both being used as buzzwords. The Church of Green has yet to define 'pollution', and the Church of Global Warming has yet to define 'climate change'. Climate itself is a subjective word. It has no quantity. There is nothing that 'changes'. A desert climate will always be a desert climate, a tropical climate will always be a tropical climate, a marine climate will always be a marine climate, etc.; regardless of where any desert, tropical rain forest, or ocean may happen to be located at the time.
Weather changes, not climate.
There is no global weather. There is no such thing as a global climate.
Again, everyone is against polluting our air and water.
You don't get to speak for everyone. You are not God. I bring to your attention homeless encampments, that leave filth and feces on the sidewalks of cities. Do you think they are against pollution? I also bring to your attention the sooty coal plants in China, operated by the Chinese government. Do you think they are against pollution? Coal can be burned very cleanly. This kind of inefficiency in the burning of coal fouls the air and wastes fuel.
Why isn't fighting pollution enough for you on the left?
Liberals do not fight pollution. They only whine while they are stealing your wealth.
Capitalism creates cleaner and safer ways to burn coal. Capitalism created the EGR system (a simple bit of plumbing and a valve) to significantly reduce nitrous compounds emitted from the exhaust (NoX), that significantly reduces smog. Modern ECAS in cars provide much better efficiency than carburetors and also help to diagnose engine problems that develop, especially in the induction system. A simple blowby recirculating system allows more efficient use of fuel. Capitalists also created more effective and cheaper thermal insulation and sound insulation products to reduce heat loss in homes, and cabin noise in cars. Capitalism also created new methods for synthesizing longer hydrocarbons out of short ones, and cutting hydrocarbons that are too long into shorter ones, allowing more efficient production of oil products to match market conditions as they change.
My company builds instrumentation for industrial, aerospace, medical, and entertainment uses. These industrial sensors allow more efficient industrial processes, reducing waste of resources and producing less waste from the plant. These sensors also allow a sewage treatment plant, for example, to achieve tertiary treatment without the use of large sand beds. This means the effluent from such a plant is potable water. Discharging this into the rivers and lakes is far better than the raw sewage that used to be deposited there. Newer septic system designs are better at handling the loads imposed on septic systems as they are much better at processing the biological waste into safe materials for the environment.
There are better fertilizers too, allowing better crop yields. Even plants have been developed that will grow in arid soil with little problem, so poorer nations can better feed themselves. Better pesticides means you don't need so much of them, and they can be targeted for a specific pest, without risking other wildlife or human consumption of the food.
Newer diesel electric locomotives have made shipping by rail the second most efficient engine on Earth. The most efficient engine is the modern jet engine operating at or near the tropopause.
ALL by capitalism, not by government.
Why do you think you need the unproven climate link?
They need an excuse to implement their fascism. The Church of Green and the Church of Global Warming are linked. They both stem from the Church of Karl Marx.
Its also very naive to think we can just instantly stop using oil, gas, and coal and that wind and solar will replace them because we want them to.
People are going to buy what they are going to buy. Dictating markets is fascism. This includes dictating the energy market.
Wind and solar make up 5% of US energy production.
For fixed utility power (electric power generation), the figure is actually 8.2%, according the Energy Information Administration (EIA, a government agency of the SODC). Of course, this agency also thinks coal, oil, and natural gas are fossils. They apparently have no idea what a fossil is.
Explain how many windmills and solar panels would be needed to make up the rest of the 95% and where will they be installed.
Solar is the most expensive method of generating electricity to date. Wind is the 2nd most expensive. Nuclear power plants are far cheaper, joule for joule.
Are you aware that a wind turbine requires gallons of oil for lubrication and that they sometime leak that oil into the ground?
While true, this isn't the main hazard of wind generators. The main hazard are harsh wind conditions, icing, and blade decomposition.
Are you aware that the blades do not decompose and have to be cut up and buried in land fills?
Actually, blade decomposition is a big problem. UV light breaks down all plastics, including the fiberglass resin used in making windmill propellers. Eventually, this decomposition will cause catastrophic failure of the machine, throwing heavy debris as far as a mile away. Icing and harsh wind conditions can cause tower collapse, or if the system is not feathered, catastrophic failure of the propeller blades.
Burial of fiberglass resin products prevents them from being decomposed by UV light. Bacteria will eventually eat it, but transporting these huge blades to a landfill is not practical. It's better just to cut them up first. This disposal process is expensive and time consuming.
the point of this thread was to get people to think about the realities we are facing and the lies we are being told.
The problem with using 'reality' here is that most people have no clue what 'reality' actually is, or how it's defined. A whole branch of philosophy known as phenomenology is used to define what 'real' and 'reality' actually mean.
The lies? Yes. The Church of Green and the Church of Global Warming are full of lies, paradoxes, irrationality, denial of science and mathematics, etc.
that obviously escaped you.
Remember that the Church of Global Warming, the Church of Green, and the Church of Karl Marx are inherently fundamentalist style religions. They don't care what's escaped them. They try to prove their religion as True, even though that is not possible.
The initial circular argument (or Argument of Faith) of the Church of Global Warming is that the Earth is somehow warming, due to the presence of a magick Holy Gas that is somehow able to override the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
The initial circular argument of the Church of Green is that the Earth is being destroyed by 'pollution', even though they cannot define what 'pollution' actually is.
The initial circular argument of the Church of Karl Marx is that Marx's philosophies of theft of wealth to benefit society (namely government theft of wealth and redistribution to themselves and unproductive members of society) is somehow a sustainable and desirable economic system. Socialism can only be implemented by oligarchies or dictatorships. People don't like their wealth stolen by government.
