EcoLeftist Democrats Create Black Market in Dishwasher Detergent

[KingCondanomation]

You can claim that phosphate damage is negligible but that doesn't make it so.

I have already stated my reasons, reasons you failed to address with your simpleton one-liner dismissals.
What about the water waste in people rinsing and running their dishwasher longer?
What about the fact that every septic owner has nothing to fear whatsoever from phosphates?
What about the fact that lakes and rivers have a healthy amount of marine life and are unaffected to the point of it being neglible?

Run away little dungy.

 

[Bonestorm]

I have already stated my reasons, reasons you failed to address with your simpleton one-liner dismissals.
What about the water waste in people rinsing and running their dishwasher longer?
What about the fact that every septic owner has nothing to fear whatsoever from phosphates?
What about the fact that lakes and rivers have a healthy amount of marine life and are unaffected to the point of it being neglible?

Run away little dungy.

1) I haven't seen any studies comparing the impact of running a dishwasher with sans-phosphate detergent as compared to using a dishwasher with phosphate containing detergent. I do know that phosphates from dishwasher detergent have a negative impact on waterways. Again, you saying something doesn't make it so.

2) Your assertion that phosphates do not enter groundwater from septic systems is just plain wrong.

3) Again, you saying that something is "fact" doesn't make it so. Algae growth in waterways resulting in algae blooms and fish kills is not negligible.


How about some sourcing for your nonsense? You popping off half-cocked isn't really supporting your argument at all.

 

[KingCondanomation]

1) I haven't seen any studies comparing the impact of running a dishwasher with sans-phosphate detergent as compared to using a dishwasher with phosphate containing detergent. I do know that phosphates from dishwasher detergent have a negative impact on waterways. Again, you saying something doesn't make it so.

Well the closest thing to a study is the evidence by the number of people in the article as to the effects of it not cleaning dishes as well. So until proven otherwise the most solid evidence is against you.

2) Your assertion that phosphates do not enter groundwater from septic systems is just plain wrong.

They do not, don't try and fuck with me on this, wastewater in septic system goes in a tank and leaks into a septic field bed. The levels of methane are high enough that nothing grows except bacteria and there is no real water for fish to swim in anyway.

3) Again, you saying that something is "fact" doesn't make it so. Algae growth in waterways resulting in algae blooms and fish kills is not negligible.

Prove that it is a major problem. I've heard of dams multiple times for when talking about fish numbers in rivers, never heard one instance of phosphates causing any real notable damage.

How about some sourcing for your nonsense? You popping off half-cocked isn't really supporting your argument at all.

The article itself says that they use more water and that it doesn't clean as well.
Why don't you show some proof for supporting this ban (which doesn't even work anyway)?

 

[Bonestorm]

Well the closest thing to a study is the evidence by the number of people in the article as to the effects of it not cleaning dishes as well. So until proven otherwise the most solid evidence is against you.

The issue is whether running the dishwasher for a bit longer with phosphate-free detergent is more harmful to the environment than running the dishwasher with detergent containing phosphates. The people in the article have nothing to say on that front.

They do not, don't try and fuck with me on this, wastewater in septic system goes in a tank and leaks into a septic field bed. The levels of methane are high enough that nothing grows except bacteria and there is no real water for fish to swim in anyway.

You're an idiot. When the water leeches into the ground it ends up in groundwater and can flow into nearby streams.

Prove that it is a major problem. I've heard of dams multiple times for when talking about fish numbers in rivers, never heard one instance of phosphates causing any real notable damage.

Go to the EPA website.

The article itself says that they use more water and that it doesn't clean as well.
Why don't you show some proof for supporting this ban (which doesn't even work anyway)?

The ban has been in effect only a short period of time. Do some research on your own on the federal ban on phosphates in laundry detergent that was implemented years ago if you like.