Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Yap....that's what I thought....so tell me BAC...What did Ice Dancer's lunch taste like?
Ice Dancer......don't say I didn't warn you.
IRAN
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Yap....that's what I thought....so tell me BAC...What did Ice Dancer's lunch taste like?
Ice Dancer......don't say I didn't warn you.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Give it up dude, you've been pwned.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
That's absolutely correct .. and Iran has as many cards on the table as we have. The SCO looms large.
Venezuela and Cuba are considereing hosting Russian bombers .. AND, Iran presents NO THREAT to the US.
If you think the Shah was put into power by the US then it is you who join Bac as the ignorant fool.
No, you have. Tell me now who Mosaddeq was? Humm? Tell me.
And again for your stupidity. Bac claimed that the Shah was "installed" into power by the US. That is ridiculously false!
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
If you have a adult brother go ask him to interpret the obvious for you. Your intellectual deficienies are not my problem.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
There's not much joy in arguing a point only a moron would not know.
However brother, I do enjoy the cyber-boot up the ass that I apply to brain-dead right-wingers.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
A hard lesson to learn, maybe he'll learn his lesson and do his homework next time, though some wingnuts around here have tough asses! LOL They take a lot of kicks!
If you have any credibility show us all how the Shah was installed by the US? You are a pseudo intellectual snot who espouse BS and hopes some of it sticks. The Shah was already in power you idiot!
The desire to get rid of Mosaddeq was definitley a US and UK concern. No one is denying that they didn't peddle influence to get rid of him...which btw, was not an unpopular idea even in Iran at the time. His so called democratic popularity had a lot to do with his refusing to allow "secret ballot" which resulted in the dictatorial election of a 99% win, a bit unusual in such a politically divisive atmosphere. But he did not run against the Shah, the Shah was the Shah, Mosaddeq was the PM...got it yet?
You claimed that:
"Missing from any news reports about Iran and missing from all the hysteria about Iran is the FACT that the US government overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and installed a brutal maniac dictator, the Shah.
And what homework would that be? You show me where the Shah was "installed" to replace Mosaddeq. Come on tech me my lesson.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Dude it's not even relevent. You're splitting hairs while missing the point that the USA has fucked all over the Iranian people in the past. Even our own government admits that they fucked up in the past.
You don't even know what the facts were before you started popping off, you don't even fucking understand the issue and that's why BAC ate your lunch.
You notice none of your wing nut buddies are running to your rescue? Cause they know you don't know what you're talking about either.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
There are intelligent and honest people on the right even though they may be on the wrong side of an issue, but I don't believe ID is one of those.
Perhaps a bit of S&M .. stick your large cyber-boot up my ass .. is why they come here.
It most certainly is important! To claim the US "over threw" a leader to "install" another one is pretty relevent to the discussion! It also shows that BAC is an idiot who throws crap at an argument and hopes it sticks...and of course with psuedo apologists such as yourself who come to his defense in their own ignorance he gets to pretend he's right!
The US at the encouragemnet of the UK, specifically Churchill supplied funds to Iran to campaign against the PM. In hindsight it is fairly argued that this influence caused some serious PR harm to western relations. This however is a far cry from "the FACT that the US government overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and installed a brutal maniac dictator, the Shah.
It is you and your pseudo intellectual dork who need to do their homework!
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blackascoal
The Force is With Me
The gift that keeps on giving.
Read what you underlined .. Did I say we installed him as the Shah?
Doesn't the very fact that I called him the Shah suggest that I already knew he was the fucking Shah?
What did my comment suggest we installed the Shah as?
Dude, the boot is already up your ass .. what do you want, the other one?
There are intelligent and honest people on the right even though they may be on the wrong side of an issue, but I don't believe ID is one of those.
Perhaps a bit of S&M .. stick your large cyber-boot up my ass .. is why they come here.
That's it, hide behind this idiot, but don't deal with your own ignorant statement:
"the FACT that the US government overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and installed a brutal maniac dictator, the Shah."
Your statement claims we "installed" him oh ignorant one. You used the word "install" for what purpose? Now you are going to try and back peddle your way out because you have done some googling eh? Like I said, you are a pseudo intellectual who tosses around shit and hope it sticks!
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mossadeq"]Here's a link for you[/ame]...get schooled
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
:lmao:
There's just gotta be a way out of this trap ..
... trapped by your own stupidity.
You didn't respond to the questions I asked your dumb ass in the last post .. because you are intellectually incapabe of doing so .. and you have no honesty in debate. You're too dumb to be honest.
I never said nor implied the US installed that bastard as the Shah. What benefit would that be? We installed him as the leader of Iran .. which is exactly what I said in grown up words.
It appears you need crayons.
You didn't even know the US had already apologized for the coup in Iran.
You tried to hide behind the super-ridiculous notion that we only "supported" the Shah .. disputed by every piece of history, documentation, and fact.
Dude, you are over your head. You are dumb.
All you have is bumper-stickers and Rush .. you wouldn't know a fact if you tripped over it.
There .. now you have both boots stuck up your ass.
:lmao:
There's just gotta be a way out of this trap ..
... trapped by your own stupidity.
You didn't respond to the questions I asked your dumb ass in the last post .. because you are intellectually incapabe of doing so .. and you have no honesty in debate. You're too dumb to be honest.
I never said nor implied the US installed that bastard as the Shah. What benefit would that be? We installed him as the leader of Iran .. which is exactly what I said in grown up words.
It appears you need crayons.
You didn't even know the US had already apologized for the coup in Iran.
You tried to hide behind the super-ridiculous notion that we only "supported" the Shah .. disputed by every piece of history, documentation, and fact.
Dude, you are over your head. You are dumb.
All you have is bumper-stickers and Rush .. you wouldn't know a fact if you tripped over it.
There .. now you have both boots stuck up your ass.
No, that is not what you said, that's what you're trying to spin it as now that your ass is in the wind. The Shah was NEVER "installed". He was ALWAYS the Shah and was NEVER PM. Supporting the overthrow of Mosaddeq is not "installing" the Shah.
Your stupidity is not cute. Your pretense as some sort of expert intellectual on the history of US Iran relations deserves to be scolded, live with it you whiner!
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Dude, I like beating up up. You keep swinging and I'll keep knocking your dumb ass down.
You underlined my words .. now go back and read them dummy .. then post where I EVER mentioned "PM."
In 1953 the United States played a significant role in orchestrating the overthrow of Iran's popular Prime Minister, Mohammed Massadegh. The Eisenhower Administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons; but the coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development. And it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affairs.
Moreover, during the next quarter century, the United States and the West gave sustained backing to the Shah's regime. Although it did much to develop the country economically, the Shah's government also brutally repressed political dissent.
Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright
Remarks before the American-Iranian Council
March 17, 2000, Washington, D.C.
As released by the Office of the Spokesman
U.S. Department of State
http://www.fas.org/news/iran/2000/000317.htm
My first comment in this thread ..
Missing from any news reports about Iran and missing from all the hysteria about Iran is the FACT that the US government overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and installed a brutal maniac dictator, the Shah.
Why would the US overthrow a democratically elected government if not to INSTALL a government of their liking?
How the fuck did the Shah come to be the leader of Iran?
.. backfist to the face followed by hook kick to the lower jaw.
I find it amazing that you two would make it a point to defend Iran. Regardless of how you view the past, it doesn't change Iran's current situation. Personally, I find this self-loathing disgusting.
I would argue that our foreign policy has changed direction dramatically with Obama and it's still not sufficient to the crazies in Iran. So, how far is Obama willing to go to "play nice" with these assholes?
I would argue that our foreign policy has changed direction dramatically with Obama and it's still not sufficient to the crazies in Iran. So, how far is Obama willing to go to "play nice" with these assholes?