haha, is three the magic number. Where did you even come up with that?
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haha, is three the magic number. Where did you even come up with that?
LOL someone's got me down pretty good. I just had to make a lame appeal to might makes right in the wake of Toppy's asinine post...
However, my aversion to global interventionism makes me want to leave Iran up to the Europeans. We already have to worry about China, Russia, and N. Korea.
The problem with letting the European's "carry the big stick" (that was for evince) is that everyone knows they don't have one.
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
Which is where the entertainment factor comes in. Besides, on the occassion that they fear the Middle East oil market is going to collapse, I'm sure Europe can be scared into taking drastic action. Afterall, we may not import much from the Mideast (70% from Canada, and 20-25% from Venezuela), but Europe and Asia both are dependent on it.
charver
You lookin' at my pint?
Ever thought that threatening Iran with a "big stick" all these years, to such stunning effect, just may be the whole problem?
charver
You lookin' at my pint?
That sounds foolproof.
How much do you reckon your oil is going to cost in the absence of a middle east oil producing market. And considering your nation is bankrupt (no shame in that, there's a lot of it about) how well do you think you'd fare in a global oil auction?
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
He's a wingnut. There fucking cowards. He probably looks under his bed at night to make sure theirs not a communist underneath it eating a rice ball and subverting liberty.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
or how the US helped subverted Irans democratically elected government by supporting a coup to replace that government with a ruthless Dictator then supported that Dictator. Guys like Bravo probably know absolutely nothing about Iran other than what their leader Rush Limbaugh has told them.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Please Mister! Can I have some more?
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Missing from any news reports about Iran and missing from all the hysteria about Iran is the FACT that the US government overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and installed a brutal maniac dictator, the Shah.
Iran has every right to protect themselves from the brutality of the US and Israel, both of whom have a long ass history of invading and mass-murdering innocent people.
The Iranians are absolutely correct to expect more than make-nice words from Obama before any change in their plans should be expected.
Iran has every right to protect themselves from the brutality of the US and Israel, both of whom have a long ass history of invading and mass-murdering innocent people.
The Iranians are absolutely correct to expect more than make-nice words from Obama before any change in their plans should be expected.
No, but why don't you enlighten me?
What a bunch of fooey! The Shah was a monarch in line for the title of Shah, we did not install him. We, the US, gave him refuge under Carter after the coup led by Khomeini that over through the monarchy desired to kill him, because, yes, he was friendly to the US...GASP and HORROR!
The problem modern historical accounts always face are miscreants who rewrite it.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
It's not like I expected an idiot like YOU to know history.
The CIA in Iran
The Central Intelligence Agency's secret history of its covert operation to overthrow Iran's government in 1953 offers an inside look at how the agency stumbled into success, despite a series of mishaps that derailed its original plans.
Written in 1954 by one of the coup's chief planners, the history details how United States and British officials plotted the military coup that returned the shah of Iran to power and toppled Iran's elected prime minister, an ardent nationalist.
The document shows that:
Britain, fearful of Iran's plans to nationalize its oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup in 1952 and pressed the United States to mount a joint operation to remove the prime minister.
The C.I.A. and S.I.S., the British intelligence service, handpicked Gen. Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and covertly funneled $5 million to General Zahedi's regime two days after the coup prevailed.
Iranians working for the C.I.A. and posing as Communists harassed religious leaders and staged the bombing of one cleric's home in a campaign to turn the country's Islamic religious community against Mossadegh's government.
The shah's cowardice nearly killed the C.I.A. operation. Fearful of risking his throne, the Shah repeatedly refused to sign C.I.A.-written royal decrees to change the government. The agency arranged for the shah's twin sister, Princess Ashraf Pahlevi, and Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, the father of the Desert Storm commander, to act as intermediaries to try to keep him from wilting under pressure. He still fled the country just before the coup succeeded.
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html
1953 US Coup In Iran And The Roots Of Mideast Terror
http://www.rense.com/general40/roots.htm
The fact that you would challenge such a well-known, documented, and PROVEN historic fact demonstrates the only "miscreant" in this discussion is your dumb ass.
No, what you expect is to be able to barf out propaganda and then post links without even knowing what they actually say.
Mosaddeque was elected PM to serve under the Shah. He resigned because he wished to be in control of the military and was denied by the Shah. You know, that monarch who was ALREADY the Shah?
Mosaddeque resigned in 1952, was later reinstated by...GASP... the Shah!
I have not denied that the US and the UK supported the Shah, but they did not "Install" the Shah. After Mosaddeque was reinstated to power after his own resignation, the Shah did allow western governements to supply him with funds for a propaganda campaign to get rid of Mosaddeque. Your problem is that you seem to lack understanding of Parlimentary government in Iran. You also like to espouse talking points devoid of that understanding.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Britain, fearful of Iran's plans to nationalize its oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup in 1952 and pressed the United States to mount a joint operation to remove the prime minister.
The C.I.A. and S.I.S., the British intelligence service, handpicked Gen. Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and covertly funneled $5 million to General Zahedi's regime two days after the coup prevailed.
How much further interpretation is required? This wasn't just "supporting the Shah", it was an active hand in overthrowing the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT and ensuring that a puppet took control of the oil.
This isn't even something the US or british government deny .. both of whom have a long ass history of such intervention.
It is absolutely mindless to suggest anything else.
This is history that right-wingers like yourself are intellectualluy incapable of dealing with .. so you pretend ignorance of fact ..
.. at least I think you're pretending.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
For all the intellectually handicapped people on board ..
U.S. Comes Clean About The Coup In Iran
Back in 1953, Washington and London organized a coup to oust Iran's government and establish a military regime under the shah, Reza Pahlavi. The New York Times has published a lengthy report based on a long-secret CIA account of the operation. The context, though, is as interesting as the content.
The front-page story in the USA's most important newspaper came just a month after U.S. secretary of state Madeleine Albright made an apology to the people of Iran.
MADELEINE ALBRIGHT, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: The coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development, and it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affairs.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0004/19/i_ins.00.html
U.S. Comes Clean About The Coup In Iran
Back in 1953, Washington and London organized a coup to oust Iran's government and establish a military regime under the shah, Reza Pahlavi. The New York Times has published a lengthy report based on a long-secret CIA account of the operation. The context, though, is as interesting as the content.
The front-page story in the USA's most important newspaper came just a month after U.S. secretary of state Madeleine Albright made an apology to the people of Iran.
MADELEINE ALBRIGHT, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: The coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development, and it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affairs.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0004/19/i_ins.00.html
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
The march of a thousand miles begins with the first step. First, the US has to reach out. We have systematically FUCKED OVER, the Iranian people for years. We undermined their democratic government with a US Sponsored coup. We then Sponsored a hated, repressive and vicious Dictator. When the nation revolted against the US backed puppet Dictator we then supported and funded and armed a Saddam Hussein led war of annihilation against them.
Only a moron would argue that we haven't rightfully deserved the hatred of the Iranian people as the US has fucked all over them with very little, if any reasonable justification.
So given our rotten history and disgusting treatment of the Iranian people is there any reasonable person who can wonder why any over ture by us is responded to with a "Go Fuck Your Self" response?
Wouldn't you do that if you were in their shoes and had been treated as disgustingly and shabbily as the US has treated Iran over the years?
I see you think large print makes your point. Which as a reminder was this stupid falsehood
"Missing from any news reports about Iran and missing from all the hysteria about Iran is the FACT that the US government overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and installed a brutal maniac dictator, the Shah."
Again for your dull witted understanding. The "coup" that the US and the UK "supported with funds" was not to "install" the Shah. He was ALREADY the Shah. Mosaddeque was PM not Shah. Making your stupid shrill rant FALSE!
Got it yet oh dim-witted one? Perhaps I should use LARGE print???
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
and given our disgusting and embarrasing record on Iran we need to do more than make overtures. We have to do some walking. Problem is, we cant' do it at the point of a gun (i.e. nuclear threat).
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
You're an ignorant fool and you don't know what you're talking about. I'd go do some homework on this or BAC is gonna have your lunch.