Bush the pussy..

Solitary said:
It still goes to his having sex at work and cheating on his wife.
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sex at work and cheating on his wife were not material to his sexually HARASSING Paula Jones.

If he had lied about harassing Monica, there would have been relevance. He didn't. There wasn't.
 
Solitary said:
If, during a deposition concerning a suit alleging sexual harrassment, you are asked if you had sexual relations with another employee, and you say "I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I've never had an affair with her." you are guilty of perjury.It most certainly was relevant.



And I am disgusted by the war in Iraq, the waste, the lies, and the bullshit from the Bush administration too. But using that as an excuse for, or justification of, Clinton's misconduct is a worthless argument. If you are going to argue against someone's "unflagging support" of an administration, you shouldn't appear to have your own unflagging support for other misconducts.
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As I just said, we will have to disagree about Clinton's testimony being relevant.

and I have NEVER given him my unflagging support... did you MISS the fololowing statement:

was I PLEASED that he was unfaithful to his wife in the Oval Office and then lied about it? absolutely not. I was disgusted.

or did you just choose to ignore it?
 
Solitary said:
No, they are not illegal. But testimony concerning related events is allowed in lawsuits.

Nitpicking about it doesn't change the fact that he lied. Whether you think its worthy of being called perjury or not is not really the point. The President of the United States should be above that sort of shit.



Soc, what I recalled was that he was impeached for two items. One was obstruction of justice, the other was perjury.
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Why did the courts never charge him with perjury?

Because it was not a material issue.
 
maineman said:
As I just said, we will have to disagree about Clinton's testimony being relevant.

and I have NEVER given him my unflagging support... did you MISS the fololowing statement:

was I PLEASED that he was unfaithful to his wife in the Oval Office and then lied about it? absolutely not. I was disgusted.

or did you just choose to ignore it?
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No, I kept on that topic because during a discussion of Clinton's misconduct you brought up the "Bush lied too!" nonsense.
 
evince said:
Why did the courts never charge him with perjury?

Because it was not a material issue.
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"The Senate voted on the Articles of Impeachment on February 12, with a two-thirds majority, or 67 Senators, required to convict. On Article I, that charged that the President "...willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury" and made "...corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of witnesses and to impede the discovery of evidence" in the Paula Jones lawsuit, the President was found not guilty with 45 Senators voting for the President's removal from office and 55 against. Ten Republicans split with their colleagues to vote for acquittal; all 45 Democrats voted to acquit. On Article II, charging that the President "...has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice"..., the vote was 50-50, with all Democrats and five Republicans voting to acquit."

from: http://www.eagleton.rutgers.edu/e-gov/e-politicalarchive-Clintonimpeach.htm



From good old wikipedia

"Upon the passage of H. Res. 611, Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998, by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228-206 vote) and obstruction of justice (by a 221-212 vote). "


"Articles of Impeachment:

RESOLVED that William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate:

ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT EXHIBITED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN THE NAME OF ITSELF AND OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AGAINST WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, IN MAINTENANCE AND SUPPORT OF ITS IMPEACHMENT AGAINST HIM FOR HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS.

Article 1: Perjury before Independent Counsel Ken Starr's grand jury.

In his conduct while President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has willfully corrupted and manipulated the judicial process of the United States for his personal gain and exoneration, impeding the administration of justice, in that:

On August 17, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton swore to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth before a Federal grand jury of the United States. Contrary to that oath, William Jefferson Clinton willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury concerning one or more of the following:

(1) the nature and details of his relationship with a subordinate Government employee;
(2) prior perjurious, false and misleading testimony he gave in a Federal civil rights action brought against him;
(3) prior false and misleading statements he allowed his attorney to make to a Federal judge in that civil rights action; and
(4) his corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of witnesses and to impede the discovery of evidence in that civil rights action.

In doing this, William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, William Jefferson Clinton, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

(Approved 21-16 by the House Judiciary Committee on Friday, December 11, 1998)
(Passed 228-206 in the House of Representatives at 1:25 p.m. on Saturday, December 19, 1998)

Article 2: Perjury in the Paula Jones civil case.

In his conduct while President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has willfully corrupted and manipulated the judicial process of the United States for his personal gain and exoneration, impeding the administration of justice, in that:

(1) On December 23, 1997, William Jefferson Clinton, in sworn answers to written questions asked as part of a Federal civil rights action brought against him, willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony in response to questions deemed relevant by a Federal judge concerning conduct and proposed conduct with subordinate employees.

(2) On January 17, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton swore under oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in a deposition given as part of a Federal civil rights action brought against him. Contrary to that oath, William Jefferson Clinton willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony in response to questions deemed relevant by a Federal judge concerning the nature and details of his relationship with a subordinate Government employee, his knowledge of that employee's involvement and participation in the civil rights action brought against him, and his corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of that employee.

In all of this, William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, William Jefferson Clinton, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

(Approved 20-17 by the House Judiciary Committee on Friday, December 11, 1998)
(Failed 229-205 in the House of Representatives at 1:42 p.m. on Saturday, December 19, 1998)

Article 3: Obstruction of Justice related to the Jones case.

In his conduct while President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, and has to that end engaged personally, and through his subordinates and agents, in a course of conduct or scheme designed to delay, impede, cover up, and conceal the existence of evidence and testimony related to a Federal civil rights action brought against him in a duly instituted judicial proceeding.

The means used to implement this course of conduct or scheme included one or more of the following acts:

(1) On or about December 17, 1997, William Jefferson Clinton corruptly encouraged a witness in a Federal civil rights action brought against him to execute a sworn affidavit in that proceeding that he knew to be perjurious, false and misleading.

(2) On or about December 17, 1997, William Jefferson Clinton corruptly encouraged a witness in a Federal civil rights action brought against him to give perjurious, false and misleading testimony if and when called to testify personally in that proceeding.

(3) On or about December 28, 1997, William Jefferson Clinton corruptly engaged in, encouraged, or supported a scheme to conceal evidence that had been subpoenaed in a Federal civil rights action brought against him.

(4) Beginning on or about December 7, 1997, and continuing through and including January 14, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton intensified and succeeded in an effort to secure job assistance to a witness in a Federal civil rights action brought against him in order to corruptly prevent the truthful testimony of that witness in that proceeding at a time when the truthful testimony of that witness would have been harmful to him.

(5) On January 17, 1998, at his deposition in a Federal civil rights action brought against him, William Jefferson Clinton corruptly allowed his attorney to make false and misleading statements to a Federal judge characterizing an affidavit, in order to prevent questioning deemed relevant by the judge. Such false and misleading statements were subsequently acknowledged by his attorney in a communication to that judge.

(6) On or about January 18 and January 20-21, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton related a false and misleading account of events relevant to a Federal civil rights action brought against him to a potential witness in that proceeding, in order to corruptly influence the testimony of that witness.

(7) On or about January 21, 23 and 26, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton made false and misleading statements to potential witnesses in a Federal grand jury proceeding in order to corruptly influence the testimony of those witnesses. The false and misleading statements made by William Jefferson Clinton were repeated by the witnesses to the grand jury, causing the grand jury to receive false and misleading information.

In all of this, William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, William Jefferson Clinton, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

(Approved 21-16 by the House Judiciary Committee on Friday, December 11, 1998)
(Passed 221-212 in the House of Representatives at 1:59 p.m. on Saturday, December 19, 1998)

Article 4: Abuse of Power by making perjurious statements to Congress in his answers to the 81 questions posed by the Judiciary Committee.

Using the powers and influence of the office of President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has engaged in conduct that resulted in misuse and abuse of his high office, impaired the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, and contravened the authority of the legislative branch and the truth-seeking purpose of a coordinate investigative proceeding in that, as President, William Jefferson Clinton, refused and failed to respond to certain written requests for admission and willfully made perjurious, false and misleading sworn statements in response to certain written requests for admission propounded to him as part of the impeachment inquiry authorized by the House of Representatives of the Congress of the United States.

William Jefferson Clinton, in refusing and failing to respond, and in making perjurious, false and misleading statements, assumed to himself functions and judgments necessary to the exercise of the sole power of impeachment vested by the Constitution in the House of Representatives and exhibited contempt for the inquiry.

In doing this, William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, William Jefferson Clinton, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

(Approved 21-16 by the House Judiciary Committee on Saturday, December 12, 1998)
(Failed 285-148 in the House of Representatives at 2:15 p.m. on Saturday, December 19, 1998)"


From: http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/impeachments/clinton.htm
 
Solitary said:
No, I kept on that topic because during a discussion of Clinton's misconduct you brought up the "Bush lied too!" nonsense.
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I bring up what Bush did to contrast the republican's response. When Clinton lied about a blowjob, they "impeached" him.... (which is not a conviction of anything, btw... so all your posts showing that they "accused" him of perjury amount to diddly)... when Bush lied and exaggerated about HUGE things, they ignored it, they supported it, they applauded it.

THAT is hypocrisy.
 
maineman said:
imagine that! a husband is reluctant to admit to getting a blow job from some woman other than his wife. Shocker! Now THAT is behavior so far removed from what most married men would do if THEY had been unfaithful, it warrants attempting to remove the man from the highest office in the land and spending MILLIONS of the taxpayer's dollars and MONTHS of the taxpayer's time trying to do so.
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What it did was distract from the Chinese donations to his campaigns and took America's mind off of what may have been the most important issue we needed to pay attention to.

Now we have poisoned pets, kids taking rufies in toys, drywall that poisons the very atmosphere of the American household....

Yeah, China couldn't possibly have gotten anything for its donations....

Jeebus, Americans are stupid.
 
Solitary said:
"The Senate voted on the Articles of Impeachment on February 12, with a two-thirds majority, or 67 Senators, required to convict. On Article I, that charged that the President "...willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury" and made "...corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of witnesses and to impede the discovery of evidence" in the Paula Jones lawsuit, the President was found not guilty with 45 Senators voting for the President's removal from office and 55 against. Ten Republicans split with their colleagues to vote for acquittal; all 45 Democrats voted to acquit. On Article II, charging that the President "...has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice"..., the vote was 50-50, with all Democrats and five Republicans voting to acquit."

from: http://www.eagleton.rutgers.edu/e-gov/e-politicalarchive-Clintonimpeach.htm



From good old wikipedia

"Upon the passage of H. Res. 611, Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998, by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228-206 vote) and obstruction of justice (by a 221-212 vote). "


"Articles of Impeachment:

RESOLVED that William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate:

ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT EXHIBITED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN THE NAME OF ITSELF AND OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AGAINST WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, IN MAINTENANCE AND SUPPORT OF ITS IMPEACHMENT AGAINST HIM FOR HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS.

Article 1: Perjury before Independent Counsel Ken Starr's grand jury.

In his conduct while President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has willfully corrupted and manipulated the judicial process of the United States for his personal gain and exoneration, impeding the administration of justice, in that:

On August 17, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton swore to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth before a Federal grand jury of the United States. Contrary to that oath, William Jefferson Clinton willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury concerning one or more of the following:

(1) the nature and details of his relationship with a subordinate Government employee;
(2) prior perjurious, false and misleading testimony he gave in a Federal civil rights action brought against him;
(3) prior false and misleading statements he allowed his attorney to make to a Federal judge in that civil rights action; and
(4) his corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of witnesses and to impede the discovery of evidence in that civil rights action.

In doing this, William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, William Jefferson Clinton, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

(Approved 21-16 by the House Judiciary Committee on Friday, December 11, 1998)
(Passed 228-206 in the House of Representatives at 1:25 p.m. on Saturday, December 19, 1998)

Article 2: Perjury in the Paula Jones civil case.

In his conduct while President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has willfully corrupted and manipulated the judicial process of the United States for his personal gain and exoneration, impeding the administration of justice, in that:

(1) On December 23, 1997, William Jefferson Clinton, in sworn answers to written questions asked as part of a Federal civil rights action brought against him, willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony in response to questions deemed relevant by a Federal judge concerning conduct and proposed conduct with subordinate employees.

(2) On January 17, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton swore under oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in a deposition given as part of a Federal civil rights action brought against him. Contrary to that oath, William Jefferson Clinton willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony in response to questions deemed relevant by a Federal judge concerning the nature and details of his relationship with a subordinate Government employee, his knowledge of that employee's involvement and participation in the civil rights action brought against him, and his corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of that employee.

In all of this, William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, William Jefferson Clinton, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

(Approved 20-17 by the House Judiciary Committee on Friday, December 11, 1998)
(Failed 229-205 in the House of Representatives at 1:42 p.m. on Saturday, December 19, 1998)

Article 3: Obstruction of Justice related to the Jones case.

In his conduct while President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, and has to that end engaged personally, and through his subordinates and agents, in a course of conduct or scheme designed to delay, impede, cover up, and conceal the existence of evidence and testimony related to a Federal civil rights action brought against him in a duly instituted judicial proceeding.

The means used to implement this course of conduct or scheme included one or more of the following acts:

(1) On or about December 17, 1997, William Jefferson Clinton corruptly encouraged a witness in a Federal civil rights action brought against him to execute a sworn affidavit in that proceeding that he knew to be perjurious, false and misleading.

(2) On or about December 17, 1997, William Jefferson Clinton corruptly encouraged a witness in a Federal civil rights action brought against him to give perjurious, false and misleading testimony if and when called to testify personally in that proceeding.

(3) On or about December 28, 1997, William Jefferson Clinton corruptly engaged in, encouraged, or supported a scheme to conceal evidence that had been subpoenaed in a Federal civil rights action brought against him.

(4) Beginning on or about December 7, 1997, and continuing through and including January 14, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton intensified and succeeded in an effort to secure job assistance to a witness in a Federal civil rights action brought against him in order to corruptly prevent the truthful testimony of that witness in that proceeding at a time when the truthful testimony of that witness would have been harmful to him.

(5) On January 17, 1998, at his deposition in a Federal civil rights action brought against him, William Jefferson Clinton corruptly allowed his attorney to make false and misleading statements to a Federal judge characterizing an affidavit, in order to prevent questioning deemed relevant by the judge. Such false and misleading statements were subsequently acknowledged by his attorney in a communication to that judge.

(6) On or about January 18 and January 20-21, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton related a false and misleading account of events relevant to a Federal civil rights action brought against him to a potential witness in that proceeding, in order to corruptly influence the testimony of that witness.

(7) On or about January 21, 23 and 26, 1998, William Jefferson Clinton made false and misleading statements to potential witnesses in a Federal grand jury proceeding in order to corruptly influence the testimony of those witnesses. The false and misleading statements made by William Jefferson Clinton were repeated by the witnesses to the grand jury, causing the grand jury to receive false and misleading information.

In all of this, William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, William Jefferson Clinton, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

(Approved 21-16 by the House Judiciary Committee on Friday, December 11, 1998)
(Passed 221-212 in the House of Representatives at 1:59 p.m. on Saturday, December 19, 1998)

Article 4: Abuse of Power by making perjurious statements to Congress in his answers to the 81 questions posed by the Judiciary Committee.

Using the powers and influence of the office of President of the United States, William Jefferson Clinton, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has engaged in conduct that resulted in misuse and abuse of his high office, impaired the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, and contravened the authority of the legislative branch and the truth-seeking purpose of a coordinate investigative proceeding in that, as President, William Jefferson Clinton, refused and failed to respond to certain written requests for admission and willfully made perjurious, false and misleading sworn statements in response to certain written requests for admission propounded to him as part of the impeachment inquiry authorized by the House of Representatives of the Congress of the United States.

William Jefferson Clinton, in refusing and failing to respond, and in making perjurious, false and misleading statements, assumed to himself functions and judgments necessary to the exercise of the sole power of impeachment vested by the Constitution in the House of Representatives and exhibited contempt for the inquiry.

In doing this, William Jefferson Clinton has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, William Jefferson Clinton, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

(Approved 21-16 by the House Judiciary Committee on Saturday, December 12, 1998)
(Failed 285-148 in the House of Representatives at 2:15 p.m. on Saturday, December 19, 1998)"


From: http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/impeachments/clinton.htm
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Clinton was never indicted for perjury by the courts.

An impeachment is an action of congress and he was not removed for the issue.
 
i'm not surprised a liar thinks clinton lying under oath is no big deal...

if bush lied, then so did all the dems and world leaders...give it up already
 
maineman said:
a difference in degree only, not in kind.

and a falsehood under oath is only "perjury" when it can be shown to be material to the case in question, I believe. How was consensual sex between consenting adults material to Paula Jone's allegaton of sexual harassment?

I love how folks want to make such a HUGE deal of this little irrelevant and inconsequential lie by Clinton and completely ignore the enormous lies and exaggerations of the Bush administration that led us into a six year war.

it is nothing less than grossly repugnant hypocrisy, imo.
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The BOSS...the BIGGEST, MOST POWERFUL BOSS in the world, having sex with someone whose job is dependent on his approval is most certainly relevant in a case in which that 'boss' is accused of sexual harassment by another women...
no matter what his appointed lawyers or judges that work at his pleasure say about it.....
denying those FACTS is nothing less than grossly repugnant hypocrisy, imo. which I fully expect from a completely brainwashed political hack like you....
 
evince said:
Maineman is right, it has to be material to the case, look up the law.

They tricked him into denying something they knew they could prove with the blue dress.

It was NOT material to the case which is why he was never convicted of perjury.

No one died for his lies either.

Thousands have died for the lies of Bush.

BTW I never heard Clinton or Gore talk shit about Bush did you?
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They "tricked him".....:):):)
desh, you are so fantastically stupid, its unbelievable....
He wasn't convicted because he was the freekin' President of the United States...he wasn't even charged or tried in a standard court
and the rest of your post is just normal leftwing lies and irrelevant
 
bravo said:
The BOSS...the BIGGEST, MOST POWERFUL BOSS in the world, having sex with someone whose job is dependent on his approval is most certainly relevant in a case in which that 'boss' is accused of sexual harassment by another women...
no matter what his appointed lawyers or judges that work at his pleasure say about it.....
denying those FACTS is nothing less than grossly repugnant hypocrisy, imo. which I fully expect from a completely brainwashed political hack like you....
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consensual sex has nothing to do with unwanted sexual harassment... and even if it did, it was a lie about a blowjob and that lie did not start a war that ended up cost America a trillion dollars and 50K dead and wounded. The fact that you all continue to make such a HUGE deal about the lie about a blow job and completely EXCUSE the lies and exaggerations by Team Bush that led us into Iraq IS hypocrisy. Sorry.

and why do you fuck around with the font sizes so much? You're like a little kid. Just fucking type. :pke:
 
Come on maineman repeat after me "Bush lied and thousands died", "Bush lied and thousands died" come on I can't hear you, one more time, "Bush lied and thousands died"!!!!

You and me maineman, if we keep this up we can get others to follow along and parrot us. We'll start a movement.
 
maineman said:
consensual sex has nothing to do with unwanted sexual harassment... and even if it did, it was a lie about a blowjob and that lie did not start a war that ended up cost America a trillion dollars and 50K dead and wounded. The fact that you all continue to make such a HUGE deal about the lie about a blow job and completely EXCUSE the lies and exaggerations by Team Bush that led us into Iraq IS hypocrisy. Sorry.

and why do you fuck around with the font sizes so much? You're like a little kid. Just fucking type. :pke:
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Sex with the Boss or the bosses sex with the Secretary has EVERYTHING to do with sexual harassment ....consensual or not....like fucking the 18 year old, E3 doing the filing in the Commanding Officers office....you've not become too dense to not know that have you...???

and a lie UNDER OATH is a big thing...an even bigger thing for the PRESIDENT of the United States.....
Clinton was a fuckin' disgrace to the office and no amount of spin will change that legacy.....he'll be infamous for a 100 years.....
 
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bravo said:
Sex with the Boss or the bosses sex with the Secretary has EVERYTHING to do with sexual harassment ....consensual or not....like fucking the 18 year old, E3 doing the filing in the Commanding Officers office....you've not become too dense to not know that have you...???

and a lie UNDER OATH is a big thing...an even bigger thing for the PRESIDENT of the United States.....
Clinton was a fuckin' disgrace to the office and no amount of spin will change that legacy.....he'll be infamous for a 100 years.....
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so, you are perfectly OK with your president and his staff LYING to the American people over and over again and leading us into a war of choice because they hadn't put their hands on bibles first???????:pke:

hack

interesting fact: Gallup did a poll on the eve of the senate impeachment vote and asked, if the voter had the same choice then that they had in '96, who would they choose...Clinton or Dole.... Bill won by an even higher margin than he did in '96. You rightwing loonies may think that Clinton was a disgrace, but most Americans, if given the choice would have jumped back to Clinton in office rather than Dubya anyday.
 
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maineman said:
consensual sex has nothing to do with unwanted sexual harassment... and even if it did, it was a lie about a blowjob and that lie did not start a war that ended up cost America a trillion dollars and 50K dead and wounded. The fact that you all continue to make such a HUGE deal about the lie about a blow job and completely EXCUSE the lies and exaggerations by Team Bush that led us into Iraq IS hypocrisy. Sorry.

and why do you fuck around with the font sizes so much? You're like a little kid. Just fucking type. :pke:
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Has anyone here said anything about excusing the lies and fuckups by the Bush administration?

And the fact that Clinton was impeached shows that there was relevance. It isn't the blowjob. SouthernMan is the only person I know with anything against blowjobs.

When you are the President of the United States, and placed under oath, you tell the freakin truth. If somehow this has become too much to ask, we might have found the problem with our political system.
 
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