Bush the pussy..

Solitary said:
Has anyone here said anything about excusing the lies and fuckups by the Bush administration?

And the fact that Clinton was impeached shows that there was relevance. It isn't the blowjob. SouthernMan is the only person I know with anything against blowjobs.

When you are the President of the United States, and placed under oath, you tell the freakin truth. If somehow this has become too much to ask, we might have found the problem with our political system.
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and when have I EVER excused Clinton not telling the truth? never.

Bravo and I go back a long way and he has never even admitted that team Bush mislead us into a war of choice by scaring America into thinking it was an immediate war of necessity... his stock reply is to post a bunch of quotes from democrats from the 1990's.

Under oath or not, the gravity and IMPACT on this nation of THOSE lies by Team Bush completely overshadows the gravity of Clinton's lie about a blowjob....imo.

It is like focusing all your attention on the guy with the traffic ticket and ignoring the mass murderer. Sure, the former is a crime, but the latter is REALLY a crime... and the ONLY reason that bravo does that...the ONLY reason that he excuses Bush for the WMD lies and the Al Qaeda connection lies and the scary mushroom cloud bullshit is that Bush is a republican and bravo aka alpha aka write is a hack republican.
 
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maineman said:
and when have I EVER excused Clinton not telling the truth? never.

Bravo and I go back a long way and he has never even admitted that team Bush mislead us into a war of choice by scaring America into thinking it was an immediate war of necessity... his stock reply is to post a bunch of quotes from democrats from the 1990's.
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So lets examine some facts...

National Intelligence Estimates (NIEs) are United States federal government documents that are the authoritative assessment of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) on intelligence related to a particular national security issue. NIEs are produced by the National Intelligence Council and express the coordinated judgments of the United States Intelligence Community, the group of 16 U.S. intelligence agencies. NIEs are classified documents prepared for policymakers.

16 U.S. intelligence agencies.....Do you understand that ????

These 16 agencies are what every President, Democrat or Republican, uses to base policy on....to access the threats to the country on....to access the danger to the world on.....

These NIEs by our own intell. agreed with the assessments of all the major intelligence agencys of France, Russia, Germany, Italy, Great Britain, etc....the entire world believed Iraq was a danger and possessed WMD...the Dems had been saying that same thing for years, why?, because of our own NIE's and shared intell from other countries ALL AGREED that was the fact....

In the face of what happened to the WTC and other terrorists acts worldwide, what is the most prudent course of action?

Believe that Iraq wasn't a threat because Blix failed to find WMD?
or
Believe our 16 Intelligence Agencys, along with the rest of the worlds intelligence conclusions that Iraq had WMD ?

[From October 2002 NIE]

Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction

We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass
destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and
restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as
well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if
left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during
this decade. (See INR alternative view at the end of these
Key Judgments.)

Iraq has maintained its
chemical weapons effort, energized its missile program, and
invested more heavily in biological weapons; in the view of
most agencies, Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear weapons
program.

Baghdad has exceeded UN range limits of 150 km with its
ballistic missiles and is working with unmanned aerial
vehicles (UAVs), which allow for a more lethal means to
deliver biological and, less likely, chemical warfare agents.

If Baghdad acquires sufficient fissile material from abroad
it could make a nuclear weapon within several months to a
year.
All agencies agree that about 25,000 centrifuges based on
tubes of the size Iraq is trying to acquire would be capable
of producing approximately two weapons' worth of highly
enriched uranium per year.
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/h072103.html
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Under oath or not, the gravity and IMPACT on this nation of THOSE lies by Team Bush completely overshadows the gravity of Clinton's lie about a blowjob....imo.

It is like focusing all your attention on the guy with the traffic ticket and ignoring the mass murderer. Sure, the former is a crime, but the latter is REALLY a crime... and the ONLY reason that bravo does that...the ONLY reason that he excuses Bush for the WMD lies and the Al Qaeda connection lies and the scary mushroom cloud bullshit is that Bush is a republican and bravo aka alpha aka write is a hack republican.
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Sorry there ole-yellar..
I deal in facts and keep it all in context....
to apply what was discovered in 2004 or 2008, etc. with what was believed to be fact in 2000 and call people liars is disingenuous and hackery of the worst kind...those infamous quotes PROVE beyond doubt what even Clinton and his admin. believed were the facts...
 
maineman said:
and when have I EVER excused Clinton not telling the truth? never.

Bravo and I go back a long way and he has never even admitted that team Bush mislead us into a war of choice by scaring America into thinking it was an immediate war of necessity... his stock reply is to post a bunch of quotes from democrats from the 1990's.

Under oath or not, the gravity and IMPACT on this nation of THOSE lies by Team Bush completely overshadows the gravity of Clinton's lie about a blowjob....imo.

It is like focusing all your attention on the guy with the traffic ticket and ignoring the mass murderer. Sure, the former is a crime, but the latter is REALLY a crime... and the ONLY reason that bravo does that...the ONLY reason that he excuses Bush for the WMD lies and the Al Qaeda connection lies and the scary mushroom cloud bullshit is that Bush is a republican and bravo aka alpha aka write is a hack republican.
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The impact on our nation was serious because we saw our own President look the American people right in the face on national tv an LIE....
The FACT that he also lie under oath just added to his disgracing the office he held.....

I don't excuse Bush of lies and don't accuse Clinton of lies about Saddam and WMD only because neither of them lied....they didn't know what they claimed was not fact...unanimous resolutions in the UN proved the entire world was in agreement about Saddam....
 
bravo said:
The impact on our nation was serious because we saw our own President look the American people right in the face on national tv an LIE....
The FACT that he also lie under oath just added to his disgracing the office he held.....

I don't excuse Bush of lies and don't accuse Clinton of lies about Saddam and WMD only because neither of them lied....they didn't know what they claimed was not fact...unanimous resolutions in the UN proved the entire world was in agreement about Saddam....
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Umm we went it alone in Iraq. Remember the coalition of the unwilling that got aid cut off if they did not join us in Iraq.
 
bravo said:
The impact on our nation was serious because we saw our own President look the American people right in the face on national tv an LIE....
The FACT that he also lie under oath just added to his disgracing the office he held.....

I don't excuse Bush of lies and don't accuse Clinton of lies about Saddam and WMD only because neither of them lied....they didn't know what they claimed was not fact...unanimous resolutions in the UN proved the entire world was in agreement about Saddam....
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"THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT SADDAM HAS AMASSED WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION"

There ALWAYS was a modicum of doubt... our own intelligence estimates contained qualifiers and caveats.... the statement was a lie from the moment Cheney said it.
 
uscitizen said:
Umm we went it alone in Iraq. Remember the coalition of the unwilling that got aid cut off if they did not join us in Iraq.
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Even though some had no military force to send,
28 non-U.S. military forces are contributing to the ongoing stability operations throughout Iraq. These countries are

Albania,
Australia,
Azerbaijan,
Bulgaria
Czech Republic,
Denmark,
Dominican Rep,
El Salvador,
Estonia,
Georgia,
Honduras,
Hungary,
Italy,
Japan,
Kazakhstan,
South Korea,
Latvia,
Lithuania,
Macedonia,
Moldova,
Mongolia,
Netherlands,
Norway,
Poland,
Portugal,
Romania,
Slovakia, ,
United Kingdom,
Ukraine.
 
bravo said:
Even though some had no military force to send,
28 non-U.S. military forces are contributing to the ongoing stability operations throughout Iraq. These countries are

Albania,
Australia,
Azerbaijan,
Bulgaria
Czech Republic,
Denmark,
Dominican Rep,
El Salvador,
Estonia,
Georgia,
Honduras,
Hungary,
Italy,
Japan,
Kazakhstan,
South Korea,
Latvia,
Lithuania,
Macedonia,
Moldova,
Mongolia,
Netherlands,
Norway,
Poland,
Portugal,
Romania,
Slovakia, ,
United Kingdom,
Ukraine.
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:lmao: the coalition of the billing!

together, all those countries - except the UK - sent two platoons and a dump truck!

and wasn't Micronesia on that list? I think they sent a used microwave.
 
maineman said:
"THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT SADDAM HAS AMASSED WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION"

There ALWAYS was a modicum of doubt... our own intelligence estimates contained qualifiers and caveats.... the statement was a lie from the moment Cheney said it.
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[From October 2002 NIE]

Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction

We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass
destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and
restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as
well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if
left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during
this decade.

Iraq has maintained its
chemical weapons effort, energized its missile program, and
invested more heavily in biological weapons; in the view of
most agencies, Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear weapons
program.

Baghdad has exceeded UN range limits of 150 km with its
ballistic missiles and is working with unmanned aerial
vehicles (UAVs), which allow for a more lethal means to
deliver biological and, less likely, chemical warfare agents.

If Baghdad acquires sufficient fissile material from abroad
it could make a nuclear weapon within several months to a
year.
All agencies agree that about 25,000 centrifuges based on
tubes of the size Iraq is trying to acquire would be capable
of producing approximately two weapons' worth of highly
enriched uranium per year.
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/h072103.html

Despite any qualifiers, THESE WERE AND ARE THE FINDINGS and CONCLUSIONS .....the E S T I M A T E of the 16 intell agencies....:readit:
 
PS

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others
 
bravo said:
[From October 2002 NIE]

Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction

We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass
destruction (WMD) programs in defiance of UN resolutions and
restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as
well as missiles with ranges in excess of UN restrictions; if
left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during
this decade.

Iraq has maintained its
chemical weapons effort, energized its missile program, and
invested more heavily in biological weapons; in the view of
most agencies, Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear weapons
program.

Baghdad has exceeded UN range limits of 150 km with its
ballistic missiles and is working with unmanned aerial
vehicles (UAVs), which allow for a more lethal means to
deliver biological and, less likely, chemical warfare agents.

If Baghdad acquires sufficient fissile material from abroad
it could make a nuclear weapon within several months to a
year.
All agencies agree that about 25,000 centrifuges based on
tubes of the size Iraq is trying to acquire would be capable
of producing approximately two weapons' worth of highly
enriched uranium per year.
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/h072103.html

Despite any qualifiers, THESE WERE AND ARE THE FINDINGS and CONCLUSIONS .....the E S T I M A T E of the 16 intell agencies....:readit:
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every bolded word or phrase indicates the lack of CERTAINTY.:cof1:
 
bravo said:
PS

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others
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reinvigorating programs is not equivalent to amassed stockpiles of WMD's. sorry.
 
maineman said:
every bolded word or phrase indicates the lack of CERTAINTY.:cof1:
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Thats why we call it a National Intelligence ESTIMATE, meathead....

Its what the 16 US intelligence agencies BELIEVE from the collection of spy data...its what we THINK are the facts at a given time in history.....

Did you and desh go to the same school ?
 
You can play games with all the words in the world..it won't change what the quotes meant to convey.....

you dismissed....your game used to be amusing, but now its tiresome....
 
bravo said:
You can play games with all the words in the world..it won't change what the quotes meant to convey.....

you dismissed....your game used to be amusing, but now its tiresome....
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it won't change the fact that Team Bush did, in fact, LIE about the total absence of any doubt concerning Saddam's WMD's... and that unjustified CERTAINTY, so brazenly repeated over and over again...along with the Goebbels-like repetition of the inferences connecting Saddam to AQ and thus to 9/11... was responsible for scaring - and angering - America into supporting a dumb war.

now...YOU'RE dismissed.

carry on
 
bravo said:
Thats why we call it a National Intelligence ESTIMATE, meathead....

Its what the 16 US intelligence agencies BELIEVE from the collection of spy data...its what we THINK are the facts at a given time in history.....

Did you and desh go to the same school ?
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nonetheless...it did not justify anyone saying that there was no doubt that Saddam had amassed stockpiles of WMD's. It was an estimate.... not a statement of certainty.
 
Tabasco said:
Clinton was impeached for committing perjury, not for getting head.
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Please look up the legal elements of perjury. President Clinton was impeached because the Republicans could not allow him to remain as popular as he was, they had to try something, anything to bring him down.
 
Jarod said:
Please look up the legal elements of perjury. President Clinton was impeached because the Republicans could not allow him to remain as popular as he was, they had to try something, anything to bring him down.
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Whats your point there ambulance chaser....

Clinton was charged with perjury and found not guilty at impeachment hearing...

Susan Webber Wright of Federal District Court in Little Rock, Ark
Given what she called Mr. Clinton's ''false, misleading and evasive answers'' in a sworn deposition in the Jones lawsuit in January 1998, Judge Wright could have leveled criminal contempt charges or referred the matter to the Justice Department for perjury prosecution.

She could have but didn't....

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990DE6D6143AF931A15757C0A96F958260
 
bravo said:
Whats your point there ambulance chaser....

Clinton was charged with perjury and found not guilty at impeachment hearing...

Susan Webber Wright of Federal District Court in Little Rock, Ark
Given what she called Mr. Clinton's ''false, misleading and evasive answers'' in a sworn deposition in the Jones lawsuit in January 1998, Judge Wright could have leveled criminal contempt charges or referred the matter to the Justice Department for perjury prosecution.

She could have but didn't....

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990DE6D6143AF931A15757C0A96F958260
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coulda shoulda woulda....

if pigs had wings, away they'd fly.

Clinton was NEVER found guilty of any crime... he was not guilty of perjury... and you absolutely DO excuse any misleading statements made by Team Bush because YOU are a partisan hack...

boooooring.
 
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