NEW JERSEY OVERHAULS POLICE USE-oF-FORCE POLICES FOR THE ENTIRE STATE

blackascoal said:
I appreciate your thoughts brother, always have, but I’ve been around a long time and been more up close and personal with politics than most and served in a democratic administration. Leadership requires courage, something democrats lack. Republicans push them around like children even when republicans are not in power.

What should lead democrats is doing what’s right for this nation and all Americans, but too often it isn’t republicans standing in the way, it’s fear, democratic fear of what republicans might say or do that stands in the way and that truth is glaringly apparent on this issue. Democrats are losing the respect of black voters, without whom Trump would be preparing for a 2nd term.

The issues surrounding police reform are life and death for the African-American community. It’s no secret why black voters don’t trust the Democratic Party. I don’t trust it either, but Trump was such a threat that like many, I held my nose and voted against Trump more than I voted for Biden. If democrats don’t have the courage to end this violence against black people, same black people democrats desperately need to win elections, then perhaps we need to give republicans a chance to get it done. We didn’t rely on democrats to advance this issue, and perhaps we are better served by not relying on them at all. Our agenda is every bit as important as any other. Young African-Americans are not buying the weakness that democrats are selling. Too many innocent dead people killed by police who murder because we exist while black. Too many excuses why that is just allowed to happen. The party is OLD, and full of too many dinosaurs concerned only about their own power.

Btw, Oregon Lawmakers Set Frantic Pace to Work on Future Police Reforms Begins / opd.org

Coincidence, happenstance, or courage made that happen?
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I appreciate your comments and concerns. But I am going to say this right here and now as this forum is my witness, I believe the problems your race is facing is as it has always been- and that is RACISM- NOT THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!

If we cannot agree on this, then there is nothing I could ever say or do to prove to you otherwise. I can't make you trust me or the Democrat Party- IF YOU WON'T!

And from what I just heard from you is you don't TRUST DEMOCRATS!

I AM A DEMOCRAT SO- that means you do not trust me or my party!

I have never personally given you any reason to distrust me- AND I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY THIS- I HAVE NEVER SEEN A DEMOCRAT GIVE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE A REASON TO DISTRUST THEM EITHER.

If you have an example of a reason for any possible distrust you personally have that I have overlooked- YOU HAVE THE FLOOR AND MY ATTENTION SIR!
 
Defund the police' movement takes toll on NYC's crime rate as shootings and murders spike
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nyc-defund-the-police-critics
shootings have spiked 127% in New York City this year, and Gov. Andrew Cuomo is calling for Mayor Bill de Blasio to get it under control, but city officials say liberal pushes to "defund the police" have hindered the NYPD's ability to keep the city safe.

"Defunding the police is perhaps the worst idea in NYC government history," Democrat Councilman Robert Holden told Fox News. "We can’t legislate using fashionable slogans that fit on protest signs. It hurts every New Yorker. The NYPD are the gold standard for law enforcement around the world. Any issues that need to be addressed require more training, which costs money."

The city, however, disagrees, with de Blasio backing a city council vote in July to slash the police budget by $1 billion. Crime has only worsened in recent months and police response times have grown.

Compared to September 2019, shootings last month jumped to 152 from 67, murders increased citywide from 51 to 29, and burglaries climbed to 1,255 from 912, according to the latest New York City Police Department's crime report released at the beginning of October.
 
dukkha said:
Defund the police' movement takes toll on NYC's crime rate as shootings and murders spike
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nyc-defund-the-police-critics
shootings have spiked 127% in New York City this year, and Gov. Andrew Cuomo is calling for Mayor Bill de Blasio to get it under control, but city officials say liberal pushes to "defund the police" have hindered the NYPD's ability to keep the city safe.

"Defunding the police is perhaps the worst idea in NYC government history," Democrat Councilman Robert Holden told Fox News. "We can’t legislate using fashionable slogans that fit on protest signs. It hurts every New Yorker. The NYPD are the gold standard for law enforcement around the world. Any issues that need to be addressed require more training, which costs money."

The city, however, disagrees, with de Blasio backing a city council vote in July to slash the police budget by $1 billion. Crime has only worsened in recent months and police response times have grown.

Compared to September 2019, shootings last month jumped to 152 from 67, murders increased citywide from 51 to 29, and burglaries climbed to 1,255 from 912, according to the latest New York City Police Department's crime report released at the beginning of October.
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Of course the race hustlers on here would never actually advocate telling black men to stop fucking women without protection and creating yet more gang members. The Smug White Liberals on here lap up all the bullshit fed to them by the likes of BAC and GoobledyGook. It you want to see what the policies advocated by them results in then go to Jo'burg!


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blackascoal said:
Fuck you again bitch. Fuck your daddy. Im far less concerned about the Democratic Party than I am with my own community, which is my point asswipe.
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big picture, bitch. and also be honest. the reform measures you outlined ARE CONSISTENT WITH DEMOCRATIC REFORM MEASURES PROPOSED, and you lie like a fucking punk and say it is bad for democrats. lying is bad, asshole, and playing the race card does not give you special privileges...get it?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Everyone must be well versed in the Woke Religion ....Got It.

They are going to get a lot of social justice thugs applying most likely, exactly the people no one should want in a uniform.
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The statistics tell an entirely different story. Put the morons in your own community.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
I appreciate your comments and concerns. But I am going to say this right here and now as this forum is my witness, I believe the problems your race is facing is as it has always been- and that is RACISM- NOT THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!

If we cannot agree on this, then there is nothing I could ever say or do to prove to you otherwise. I can't make you trust me or the Democrat Party- IF YOU WON'T!

And from what I just heard from you is you don't TRUST DEMOCRATS!

I AM A DEMOCRAT SO- that means you do not trust me or my party!

I have never personally given you any reason to distrust me- AND I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY THIS- I HAVE NEVER SEEN A DEMOCRAT GIVE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE A REASON TO DISTRUST THEM EITHER.

If you have an example of a reason for any possible distrust you personally have that I have overlooked- YOU HAVE THE FLOOR AND MY ATTENTION SIR!
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As I said when we began this conversation, I appreciate your thoughts, ALWAYS HAVE. This is not about you personally, and I’m sure that you are aware of the growing distrust between the Democratic Party and black voters, which was a huge reason why Hillary Clinton lost. Look no further than the 1994 Crime Bill for that answer. He destroyed lives, families, and communities. Why should the Clintons be trusted ever again? They won’t be. Both are dead to us.

This is not personal brother, but your agenda is not my agenda. If you don’t feel the urgency that I do about criminal justice reform, I don’t have a problem with that, we can meet and interact where we agree, but I will pursue solutions where they present themselves without you or the Democratic Party if need be. You may not see the necessary changes that are evolving, but I do. You may not see the necessity to threaten police departments with defunding, but I do, and it’s working.

Democrats are worried about losing an election in Montana, I’m worried about the next innocent brother shot in his back who has committed no crime and never posed any threat to the cop who murdered him. Exactly how long should we wait for democrats to address the bullet in the back?

It’s not personal, I don’t trust Obama either, a growing sentiment within the BLACK community. You should read about that sentiment on black press, perhaps The Root. Obama is more concerned about his poll ratings than he is about that bullet in the back, thus when he stepped out of his bubble and claimed that no one should talk about defunding the police, he was mocked and laughed at by black people. The celebrity politician who did almost nothing on this issue wants everyone to shut up. I never voted for him, glad I didn’t so it’s not just about you my friend. Nor is this just about black voters. Progressives don’t trust the Democratic Party either and you don’t have to look far to discover that.

If you haven’t seen a reason why democrats haven’t given a reason not to trust them, then serious introspective would be good for you.
 
Hoosier Daddy said:
big picture, bitch. and also be honest. the reform measures you outlined ARE CONSISTENT WITH DEMOCRATIC REFORM MEASURES PROPOSED, and you lie like a fucking punk and say it is bad for democrats. lying is bad, asshole, and playing the race card does not give you special privileges...get it?
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Quite obviously I need to ban your ignorant ass from my threads.

Go back to playing sandbox in the street little boy.
 
dukkha said:
Defund the police' movement takes toll on NYC's crime rate as shootings and murders spike
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nyc-defund-the-police-critics
shootings have spiked 127% in New York City this year, and Gov. Andrew Cuomo is calling for Mayor Bill de Blasio to get it under control, but city officials say liberal pushes to "defund the police" have hindered the NYPD's ability to keep the city safe.

"Defunding the police is perhaps the worst idea in NYC government history," Democrat Councilman Robert Holden told Fox News. "We can’t legislate using fashionable slogans that fit on protest signs. It hurts every New Yorker. The NYPD are the gold standard for law enforcement around the world. Any issues that need to be addressed require more training, which costs money."

The city, however, disagrees, with de Blasio backing a city council vote in July to slash the police budget by $1 billion. Crime has only worsened in recent months and police response times have grown.

Compared to September 2019, shootings last month jumped to 152 from 67, murders increased citywide from 51 to 29, and burglaries climbed to 1,255 from 912, according to the latest New York City Police Department's crime report released at the beginning of October.
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If it’s a problem, then perhaps they need to address the source of the problems, rogue cops who murder innocent people and New York has a long ass ugly history of that. I have no sympathy .. as in NONE for what happens to a city that has a long and undeniable history of murdering innocent people by its police force.

Cities, states, and municipalities are finally awakening to that truth almost daily. New York reduced its police budget by almost one billion dollars, which is a small price to pay for its evil history.

Rogue cops make it bad for everyone. THEY need to deal with that.
 
blackascoal said:
As I said when we began this conversation, I appreciate your thoughts, ALWAYS HAVE. This is not about you personally, and I’m sure that you are aware of the growing distrust between the Democratic Party and black voters, which was a huge reason why Hillary Clinton lost. Look no further than the 1994 Crime Bill for that answer. He destroyed lives, families, and communities. Why should the Clintons be trusted ever again? They won’t be. Both are dead to us.

This is not personal brother, but your agenda is not my agenda. If you don’t feel the urgency that I do about criminal justice reform, I don’t have a problem with that, we can meet and interact where we agree, but I will pursue solutions where they present themselves without you or the Democratic Party if need be. You may not see the necessary changes that are evolving, but I do. You may not see the necessity to threaten police departments with defunding, but I do, and it’s working.

Democrats are worried about losing an election in Montana, I’m worried about the next innocent brother shot in his back who has committed no crime and never posed any threat to the cop who murdered him. Exactly how long should we wait for democrats to address the bullet in the back?

It’s not personal, I don’t trust Obama either, a growing sentiment within the BLACK community. You should read about that sentiment on black press, perhaps The Root. Obama is more concerned about his poll ratings than he is about that bullet in the back, thus when he stepped out of his bubble and claimed that no one should talk about defunding the police, he was mocked and laughed at by black people. The celebrity politician who did almost nothing on this issue wants everyone to shut up. I never voted for him, glad I didn’t so it’s not just about you my friend. Nor is this just about black voters. Progressives don’t trust the Democratic Party either and you don’t have to look far to discover that.

If you haven’t seen a reason why democrats haven’t given a reason not to trust them, then serious introspective would be good for you.
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Good luck!

I've said all I am going to say. You've convinced yourself and you don't need my thoughts.

You've damned me and my political party when we do- and when we don't no matter what.

I find that to be a no-win situation for me and my party.

Instead of having good ideas of your own, you seem to just want to play the blame game. Something I don't agree with.

You've outsmarted yourself, you've overthought the root to the problems you face, you don't know friend from foe, you tend to get in your own way, and you like to point your fingers at everyone but yourself.

Good luck!
 
blackascoal said:
Quite obviously I need to ban your ignorant ass from my threads.

Go back to playing sandbox in the street little boy.
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you probably do need to ban me. you are ignorant and want to remain that way...if i got my ass kicked as bad by you as you do by me, i might even think about banning you...but i wouldn't. i am not a chickenshit bitch like you.
 
blackascoal said:
The statistics tell an entirely different story. Put the morons in your own community.
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STUPIDFUCK. NO ONE MURDERS MORE BLACK PEOPLE THAN BLACK PEOPLE...AND IT ISN'T EVEN CLOSE.


AND , AS FAR AS CROSS-RACIAL MURDER ,WHITES ARE 20+ TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE MURDERED BY BLACKS THAN VICE-VERSA.

MORE WHITE MEN ARE KILLED BY POLICE THAN BLACK MEN...BY ALMOST 3-1.

BLACK MEN, LESS THAN 3% OF THE TOTAL POPULATION ,ARE NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE THAN 53% OF ALL MURDERS.(AS of the 2019 FBI UCR)

THIS INCLUDES THE CHILDREN WE SEE GUNNED DOWN BY BLACK THUGS IN DEMOCRAT URBAN SHIT HOLES, WHOSE LEADERSHIP HAS LITTLE INTEREST IN STOPPING THEM....NOR DOES BLM...THE HYPOCRITICAL FRAUDS.


SPARE US YOUR FUCKING LIES , AND CLEAN UP YOUR OWN BACKYARD, ASSHOLE.

RUN AWAY FROM THE UGLY TRUTH AGAIN...
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
Good luck!

I've said all I am going to say. You've convinced yourself and you don't need my thoughts.

You've damned me and my political party when we do- and when we don't no matter what.

I find that to be a no-win situation for me and my party.

Instead of having good ideas of your own, you seem to just want to play the blame game. Something I don't agree with.

You've outsmarted yourself, you've overthought the root to the problems you face, you don't know friend from foe, you tend to get in your own way, and you like to point your fingers at everyone but yourself.

Good luck!
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With all due respect brother, I find that very pompous. According to you, the Democratic Party can do no wrong. It’s everybody else who has the problem. I assumed our conversations to be enlightening where we both got a chance to air our differences, but I guess I was wrong. Not once in anything I’ve said did I damn you or anything you believe. I guess I was supposed to accept everything that YOU believe without having thoughts of my own, even when they are valid and irrefutable.

Luck has no part in the path forward. Commitment and intelligent strategy has everything to do with it.

Good luck with keeping black voters committed to only what you believe while ignoring what they believe.

Good luck with that.
 
Grokmaster said:
STUPIDFUCK. NO ONE MURDERS MORE BLACK PEOPLE THAN BLACK PEOPLE...AND IT ISN'T EVEN CLOSE.


AND , AS FAR AS CROSS-RACIAL MURDER ,WHITES ARE 20+ TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE MURDERED BY BLACKS THAN VICE-VERSA.

MORE WHITE MEN ARE KILLED BY POLICE THAN BLACK MEN...BY ALMOST 3-1.

BLACK MEN, LESS THAN 3% OF THE TOTAL POPULATION ,ARE NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE THAN 53% OF ALL MURDERS.(AS of the 2019 FBI UCR)

THIS INCLUDES THE CHILDREN WE SEE GUNNED DOWN BY BLACK THUGS IN DEMOCRAT URBAN SHIT HOLES, WHOSE LEADERSHIP HAS LITTLE INTEREST IN STOPPING THEM....NOR DOES BLM...THE HYPOCRITICAL FRAUDS.


SPARE US YOUR FUCKING LIES , AND CLEAN UP YOUR OWN BACKYARD, ASSHOLE.

RUN AWAY FROM THE UGLY TRUTH AGAIN...
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I ignored your racist dribble the first time you posted this brain dead shit.

Watch me do it again..

Don’t blow up any babies before your racist limp-dick ass comes crawling back looking for attention.
 
blackascoal said:
If it’s a problem, then perhaps they need to address the source of the problems, rogue cops who murder innocent people and New York has a long ass ugly history of that. I have no sympathy .. as in NONE for what happens to a city that has a long and undeniable history of murdering innocent people by its police force.

Cities, states, and municipalities are finally awakening to that truth almost daily. New York reduced its police budget by almost one billion dollars, which is a small price to pay for its evil history.

Rogue cops make it bad for everyone. THEY need to deal with that.
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they do indeed. i dont see how defunding however deals with rogue cops
 
blackascoal said:
I ignored your racist dribble the first time you posted this brain dead shit.

Watch me do it again..

Don’t blow up any babies before your racist limp-dick ass comes crawling back looking for attention.
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NO, YOU RAN FROM THE EMBARASSING TRUTH, BITCH.

SINCE WHEN ARE THE FACTS "RACIST", YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT?


IGNORE SOME MORE MURDERED BLACK BABIES IN THE STREETS TO PURSUE YOUR RACISM....HYPOCRITE.

YOU'RE THE RACIST.

 
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blackascoal said:
As I said when we began this conversation, I appreciate your thoughts, ALWAYS HAVE. This is not about you personally, and I’m sure that you are aware of the growing distrust between the Democratic Party and black voters, which was a huge reason why Hillary Clinton lost. Look no further than the 1994 Crime Bill for that answer. He destroyed lives, families, and communities. Why should the Clintons be trusted ever again? They won’t be. Both are dead to us.

This is not personal brother, but your agenda is not my agenda. If you don’t feel the urgency that I do about criminal justice reform, I don’t have a problem with that, we can meet and interact where we agree, but I will pursue solutions where they present themselves without you or the Democratic Party if need be. You may not see the necessary changes that are evolving, but I do. You may not see the necessity to threaten police departments with defunding, but I do, and it’s working.

Democrats are worried about losing an election in Montana, I’m worried about the next innocent brother shot in his back who has committed no crime and never posed any threat to the cop who murdered him. Exactly how long should we wait for democrats to address the bullet in the back?

It’s not personal, I don’t trust Obama either, a growing sentiment within the BLACK community. You should read about that sentiment on black press, perhaps The Root. Obama is more concerned about his poll ratings than he is about that bullet in the back, thus when he stepped out of his bubble and claimed that no one should talk about defunding the police, he was mocked and laughed at by black people. The celebrity politician who did almost nothing on this issue wants everyone to shut up. I never voted for him, glad I didn’t so it’s not just about you my friend. Nor is this just about black voters. Progressives don’t trust the Democratic Party either and you don’t have to look far to discover that.

If you haven’t seen a reason why democrats haven’t given a reason not to trust them, then serious introspective would be good for you.
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fuck you. putting people in prison for killing and raping is a good thing, bitch, because they are the ones ruining people's lives, you stupid fuck. yeah, it went overboard on sentencing for USING crack and heroin, etc, but that mistake was realized and admitted. if you could read graphs you could see how the violent crime rate and murder rate dropped like a rock after this bill passed, which also helped put way more cops on the street, and THAT SAVED WAY MORE LIVES THAN THE BAD PART OF THE BILL HURT, LYING ASSHOLE. and remember this- nothing about that bill from 26 years ago WAS RACIST...plenty of white drug users were hurt as much as black or latino or asian. everything is always about race with you.

As far as blacks not trusting hillary or wanting to vote for her or whatever bullshit you just spewed, SCOREBOARD, LYING BITCH-

DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP% CLINTON TRUMP
SEX Men 48 41 52
Women 52 54 41

RACE

White 70 37 57
African-American 12 89 8

NOW, OBAMA'S 2012-

DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP OBAMA ROMNEY
TOTAL All Voters Pct. 51% 47%
SEX Men 47 45 52
Women 53 55 44

RACE

White 72 39 59
African-American 13 93 6

WOW, A WHOLE 4%....AND HILLARY GOT 89%...you are a racist clown.
 
blackascoal said:
With all due respect brother, I find that very pompous. According to you, the Democratic Party can do no wrong. It’s everybody else who has the problem. I assumed our conversations to be enlightening where we both got a chance to air our differences, but I guess I was wrong. Not once in anything I’ve said did I damn you or anything you believe. I guess I was supposed to accept everything that YOU believe without having thoughts of my own, even when they are valid and irrefutable.

Luck has no part in the path forward. Commitment and intelligent strategy has everything to do with it.

Good luck with keeping black voters committed to only what you believe while ignoring what they believe.

Good luck with that.
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Again you point your finger at people in an undeserving way. Your hatred expressed towards the Clintons is duly noted.

Here you are attacking the crime bill which actually had good intentions at the time of it's passing- one of the most non-partisan and popular bills ever passed in Congress. Hillary was the one who wanted to end it due to unforeseen and unimagined racial profiling that ended up as a result of that many years later.

Are you a crime-fighter or is crime OK with you? May we hear your ideas for fighting crime? I haven't heard your ideas on the subject.

Do you want to know which race of people in America are the most victimized by crime? Minorities! Would you like to try and explain that? What are your ideas on trying to stop this or prevent this?

This is why the Democrats want as much minority Representation in all areas of the local, state, and federal governments. That is why we vote for minorities to be those representatives. And that is why we are proud of all of our minority leaders in every position they hold now. IT IS BECAUSE WE CARE! We are not an every man for itself party! We are a one for all- and all for one party!

But if you have it in your heart to turn on us and blame us DEMOCRATS WHO ARE BOTH WHITE AND EVERY MINORITY YOU CAN THINK OF, KNOCK YOURSELF OUT.

I just feel it is self-defeating!.
 
dukkha said:
they do indeed. i dont see how defunding however deals with rogue cops
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I see the fruits of thr defunding campaign almost everyday when I get up and turn on my computer. Here is what I woke up to today.

Mayor of Ohio’s Largest City calls for officers badge and gun after fatal shooting of unarmed black man

“This has to stop” news.yahoo.com

He recognizes the consequence of doing nothing, which has what been done so often in the past. Just sweep it under the rug is no longer SOP.

The article also speaks of the murder of the murder of Casey Goodson, yet another unarmed black man who was shot in the back while entering his own home with his keys still in the door. He fell dead inside his house right in front of his 5year old brother. My own attorney, Benjamin Crump has been retained by the family and no doubt the city will be paying millions to settle this. He has also been retained in the first case mentioned in the article which will result in another multi million dollar settlement. Crump got 12 million for the family of Breonna Taylor.

The individual who should be under the microscope are the bastard cops who murder innocent people, not those who demand justice, and that is exactly what is happening today all over the country.
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How is this happening? What brought on the sudden change? First it was cities and municipalities, now it’s entire states. How did that happen? It sure as Hell was not the Democratic Party, nor is it coincidence. It is because of PROTEST, DEMAND And CONSEQUENCE OFTEN LED BY BLM.
 
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